UK, Ireland / Not all is bad for Poles in Scotland! [167]


I take it your a daily mirror or sun reader then tabs, for your information the last government went to the trouble of analysing the worth of your polish workers that you regard so highly. Turns out the we are better of by 1p per person, WOW!.

And blaming chavs doesn't change the fact that many people are on benefits because the majority of work doesn't pay enough to have an acceptable standard of living but still many BRITISH people do these jobs. I don't know if anyone happened to see a program in the week called "fairy jobmother", there was a young familly of 3 and they only had £40 a week to spend on food so i find it hard to believe how anyone would think that people want to live like that.


Hmm, i presume that you might be ignorant to the fact that large amounts of migrant labour from all four corners of the globe has allowed companies to lower the pay that they offer because there will always be someone that will accept a lower wage.

This scenario is nothing new, at the height of the british empire (excuse the connection with the name) there were 4 million people unemployed in the UK.

UK, Ireland / Nursing staff from Eastern Europe about to 'flood' into UK ? [45]


So nobody leaves their job through age or moving onto a better position or other work.
The point is whilst the nurses may not be sacked those that do leave will be replaced by agency workers just like in the private sector.

UK, Ireland / Not all is bad for Poles in Scotland! [167]

I think you will find that was the government, we had a good manufacturing base and who got rid of that???.
Do you really think someone would ship their own job abroad, people don't do that companies and governments do that.

UK, Ireland / Not all is bad for Poles in Scotland! [167]


So remind us all who has the power to open up the markets to cheaper imports?.


Yeh iam sure all the coal miners just gave up their jobs after the near civil war they fought just so they could have cheaper coal from poland.


channel4.com/programmes/the-fairy-jobmother/episode-guide/series-1/episode-1

Well you can hear it for yourself if you like.


And the brits are not i suppose.


So do i so i don't see why people coming into this country should be able to claim child tax credits for their previous year of work that they didn't do in the UK.


Nursery credits

UK, Ireland / Not all is bad for Poles in Scotland! [167]

Iam not saying they were only getting £40 per week, iam saying that after their energy bills e.t.c. they only had £40 a week to spend on food. Don't be so ignorant, watch the program.

UK, Ireland / Not all is bad for Poles in Scotland! [167]


You mean if i had read that far up the page. As i have just done that then iam sure you (if you are telling the truth) one of a handful of people that can afford to pay for 4 children without any help from the government.


Do you really think that most of our tax goes on benefits, under labour the cost of child tax credits for the nation was £2 billion which is alot but considering how much tax is collected each year it is a drop in the ocean.

UK, Ireland / Not all is bad for Poles in Scotland! [167]


Its not easy for anyone to get work at the moment, even in the good times there wasn't enough jobs for all of the working population in the UK.

Many people are just stuck, if you live in a poor area with high employment then you will almost never be able to leave which is why the government is now talking about helping people to move out of these areas.


Its true that some are just idle, every country has people like this but not everyone has that attitude. A good start would be raising the minimum wage which is one of the lowest in western europe, if french companies have to pay 9 euros an hour then why do ours only have to way £5.85

UK, Ireland / Not all is bad for Poles in Scotland! [167]


68 graduates for every graduate position isn't it now?


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Then look at the bigger picture, if your earning £50k or £100k not everyone else can, there always has to be someone to be a bin man, warehouse worker or shop worker and they will get payed less than you but that doesn't mean they should be paid poorly.

The only solution to that is communism which nobody wants.

UK, Ireland / Not all is bad for Poles in Scotland! [167]


The point is seanus this isn't poland, 20 PLN means nothing to the british worker because everything is in pounds here and its far more expensive. The minimum wage was to low to start and its still to low now which is why one of the scottish councils made it a policy to only pay a minimum of £7 per hour.

UK, Ireland / Not all is bad for Poles in Scotland! [167]


haha, classic!


Remind us who removed the barriers, remind us who brought them here, remind us who destroyed and sold of manufacturing to create the money to buy these things. The general population thats buys a product doesn't do the damage, for instance does the drug taker or the dealer get a heavier sentence?.

The reality is that many products don't carry the country of origin on them and if they do its so small no one notices it but once again if the government hadn't slashed the tax for the rich by half and destroyed the unions then more people would have the money to spend on british products because many simply can't afford to.


For who, the farmer or the supermarket.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8103119.stm


No, just make the owners give up more of their profits. It works in france and they have lower unemployment than us!

UK, Ireland / Is moving to UK now a good idea? - antipolish prejudice of the Brits [231]

If you want me to be honest your all kidding yourselves if you you think that the UK is not racist, there is a long history of it that goes back longer than any of us have been alive. What you happen to see in your every day lives is lots of people trying to reassure that it is otherwise, the reason you may ask is very very simple. The English class system is nothing more that an effective way for the richer members in society to continuously f*** over the working man in society and the government provides an effective middle man in which the job can be done with out leaving a paper trail. The papers might pedal stories of sympathy and support but it is backed up by very few on the street, the polish are nothing more than the latest edition to the UK economy (like the blacks and asians before) that provide a very effective way (like before and proven) of driving down labour cost, its as simple as that so while miss poland may have had her life turned upside down for a few weeks whilst she searches out a new flat then may we take a moment to think about all the British workers that have had their living standards driven into the dirt because the reason for the "antipolish prejudice" and general anti immigrant felling in general springs from that very issue.

UK, Ireland / Is moving to UK now a good idea? - antipolish prejudice of the Brits [231]


O.K maybe i went a bit to far in implying every part is the same but it does have alot to do with money, the poorer the area the more open the racism is but i can assure you that the more affluent areas have racism its just that its more "polite" than your average council estate.

UK, Ireland / Is moving to UK now a good idea? - antipolish prejudice of the Brits [231]


Lets try and be honest about the reason why though, its very little to do with general good nature because i dont even remember the last time Brits acted in such a way towards themselves but i would be more than happy to bet my whole house and savings on the fact that it is to do with the numerous laws and years of political correctness than it does with an allegedly welcoming nation.


I couldn't agree more, its amazing what little things can trigger it off aswell its so pathetic.

UK, Ireland / Is moving to UK now a good idea? - antipolish prejudice of the Brits [231]


Its a problem that is easily solved with out migrant workers, if the UK government hadn't spent all the capital that these ageing workers had built up for the country then that would have been a great start and with a small rise in the retirement age then there would be no pension crisis at all.

Again its a double edged sword, the migration of large numbers of young workers from poland is a serious problem for the polish economy in the long run. This is the real issue as their short term gains cause long term pain for both sides, poland will suffer from the skills loss whilst britain will suffer from depressed wages and high living costs.