History / German Traitor And Polish Pig [96]


In those times ... I think the topic poster it talking about "those times" and not "these times".

Here is something you might like to read (love letters, letters of appreciation ... etc to hitler which would beat any number of superstars combined):

writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/love-letters-hitler.html

theater.nytimes.com/mem/theater/treview.html?res=9e01e5d81738f932a25752c0a961958260

History / German Traitor And Polish Pig [96]


You know what Palivec I do travel ... I've been in France, UK, Estonia, Spain, Latvia, Lithuania, India, South Korea, Bangladesh, Dubai, Italy, Canada and a few more places. Just to explain to you that I've been more than just Europe.


Yeah you mean the German musicians...? Yeah they were good ... but I don't think I am ready to accept that generally the Germans are less mechanical just because of those few people. Yes, few of them were soft ... but in that softness also, there was something mechanical about them. These musicians too ... it was more mechanical, towards a fine tuning ... towards adjustment ... not really something wavy, something that expresses deep and bewildering emotions.

I do read books, and I like to read the American and English ones, some Polish authors and Russian ... I read Rabindranath from India, and I read some Persian works too. I find it interesting ...

I am not mentioning Germany anywhere doesn't mean I hate them or anything. I respect and wish them well ... they have a different way to live, which is OK as long as it doesn't hurt others. We have it different, and I think we are OK with that. There is absolutely nothing wrong in being mechanical, but its just not the only way to be .. :)

History / German Traitor And Polish Pig [96]


It makes them animal. Human is the one who is much different. Whether you like it or not, the human tendency is to care and give ... their weakness is the animal instinct which they have been fighting for ages and now have brought their civilization to this point where there are laws.

History / German Traitor And Polish Pig [96]


But they still killed others who also had families.... specially civilians who had no intention to attack them. This makes them brutal and inhuman. There is a documentary on Hitler's humane side ... it doesn't erase his inhumanity and his brutality.

Those people specially will never be forgiven or forgotten throughout time ... whether its 65 years or 650 years or 6500 years. Simple.

For now, as I said, we have a different relationship with modern day Germany, and every sane person would wish for it to prosper, however definitely being careful and alert - not to forget past experiences on how the German mind works. They historically have less emotions and more machines in themselves. Maybe its good for innovation and economy? ... so we can cooperate there. But beyond that, we have different opinions to life, we always did ... and Poles would like to secure theirs.


You know, for some of who are living in USA or really disillusioned ... they will not understand how the German nation really went into a complete Supremacist mode ... . Its almost as though they want to remove or erase the idea. It is like denying there ever was a holocaust. Its like kicking all those graves of people killed or tortured to death ... all those families ruined, all those women who were raped. People who were humiliated ...

True, as I said above, we should renovate our relationship with Germany, and we are doing so in Poland. However, it is not possible to remain oblivious and forget what happened ... it is dangerous too. Experiences are precious. We suffered it.

As for Soviet Oppression ... my family were personally no victims in large scale, and we even survived in a clever way. However, Katyn Massacre cannot be erased from the Polish minds, over which there are many more incidents.

The best is to be careful, alert and look forward to peace in a sustainable manner. Peace cannot sustain if you cannot ensure its future through using the experiences in the past.

History / German Traitor And Polish Pig [96]


The Taliban once were America's best friend ... nowadays its not unheard that some of them after surrendering sit and laugh at each other too ... doesn't mean that their hands are washed from the murders they committed to the thousands of civilians who are not soldiers.

Its about the ordinary everyday people, they are the ones who suffer the most - unreasonably. However, the soldiers can gather and start laughing and drinking, sharing stories about how he attacked and he defended and they attacked or they defended ... the ones who were mere victims of this unholy mess remain in the graves and their families being uprooted or changed forever. Many things never recovered after the war ... many families were completely finished or totally (and unwanted) changed forever.

Yes, the was is very old now, but nothing is so old that it can be completely erased. There are lessons to be learned ... peace is the only solution, accepted - but lessons are to be learned ... the Germans have their way of life, their mentality, their approach to matters ... while we have ours. The best is to understand each other and live/trade as peacefully as possible ... while being aware and alert at the same time.

History / German Traitor And Polish Pig [96]

Those were very bad days ... my grandfather's elder brother had a German friend who betrayed him and got him killed. That person used to be close to our family in those times.

Germans had something of a "supremacist" idea going along in their head. They felt invincible. In any case, Germany was never really known for its love or heart ... its known for machines, mechanical stuff...

At best, I do agree, we have to move forward, and cannot really afford to keep old days alive. The best is to remember the experiences and be more careful next time ...

Food / Possible to find Indian vegetarian food in Poland? [17]

Vegetarian is really a very nice concept ... am thinking about it ...

History / Historic Polish-Japanese intelligence cooperation [21]

The Japanese are good people. No wonder whatever you throw at them, they rise and rise good!

Love / Polish girls and traditions (esp. between mother in laws and daughter in laws) [45]

Thanks for the update Neharika.


I gotta say ... :D ... its been one of the best moderated threads so far.


welcome...

I must say the way you described your daughter in law, it does seem like she is from a very respectable background. But even better, it seems she is a great girl and by being herself she really did uphold the grace of Poland. I'm quite proud of her ...

Lovely piece of writing ... :)

Love / Do African or Afro- American women find Polish men attractive? [179]


I could say the same for you ...

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


Provided the data is credible. For that they will need the help of the authorities from where that individual is coming from. Over which, it is always better to know how and through which method is this individual trying to enter. Those who try through agents are not really good. There are those who try from themselves.

I prefer the concept of this background check with proper method.


Undesirables come by what do you know? ... By the world's most foolish concept of having a certain amount of money in bank IS THE KEY. This is the world's most stupid concept because undesirables either have that money through wrong means, or manage someone to show this. They got no education, no standard, no way to integrate (leave out intent) ... nothing really. These are the guys who enter Europe these days in huge numbers, while we have stupid policies which keep the true student out because he don't have some tens of thousands of dollars in his account :D ...

These students are often smart enough (those who process their entry themselves) to earn a living anywhere. But we discourage them, and end up giving citizenship to shady asylum seekers (which murky evidence that they were really persecuted) and not to mention laborers who have no idea what is English or Polish or any other European country's language.

In UK its the "relative" of some guy, in the expense of a good student who could not only get educated but also integrate and contribute to the economy.

Its a huge mess, but curable with those simple points that I mentioned, ofcourse aided by databases and international cooperation. We would be glad with warm arms about students, investors or skilled people.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


Computers can only do what you ask them to do. There is a term called "garbage in - garbage out" in computers. Its the policy I am talking about, not the functioning of that policy, or the errors or databases.


That is a confusing statement really. Not because I don't understand it, but no ones really does when a conversation or analysis happens in some seminar etc. There is a need to be more specific. We are not really open and warm arms you know ... but the policies only work to bring in the bad and keep out the good ... this is the major problem.


Those certain types are not confined to a race. Infact its a mindset, and thats why students (in their formative minds) are preferred. In this way, you get people who 90% of times integrate. Atleast all those I were friend with did. Its not uncommon ... plus those who don't come to study but run to UK from here come with false age and false report cards through AGENTS ... Agents are the problem ... otherwise there are some real good people out there who contribute to the economy, and not only that but on a personal level come with a basic human right to be with someone they want to be.

Its not about a "type" that can be identified so simply ... that "type" can come from USA too ...

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


Exactly ... wrong type of people shouldn't come. I actually attended a seminar where I gave some points, which was infact appreciated with many Indian, Egyptian and other races Europeans who were educated and living a nice life.

I am not pro-blind-immigration. But pro-immigration with some reform in the process. This is what I am in favor of: Ideas for constructive Immigration methods for Poland.


About asylum seekers you are saying? ... Well, we took asylum in many places including Iran and India. You can search google and find the clubs of people sharing their memories or pictures of their relatives or themselves once in those places as asylum seekers. Infact there are some places in India with small Polish population, same in Iran.

Anyways ... still we just cannot let every one in. There must be a solid reason of persecution ... proof etc. Those who check don't really check enough. Plus the records must be checked and seen if the person's mental status or character is good. Plus, there must be a strict health checkup where any contagious disease cannot be allowed. I am not talking about physical disability or downs syndrome here ... those are exceptional and have all respect to those parents who have such children, and I myself volunteer to support.


Umm ... I think those villages or small areas you are talking about have never seen a foreigner specially of different color. This is natural to stare or look ... or to wonder ... even doubt. Won't you agree?

However, I think they become very friendly too later on when they get to know these people ... but hoards and hoards of them don't really go to those places.

There is a man I know who got married into a girl from such small village like place. He used to be the only foreigner for some people to see ... but later they were kind to him and still are fine as long as their girl is happy ofcourse :D ... but they got children and it seems all is OK.

Don't translate a stare or surprise ... curiosity into something violent etc...

Love / In Polish relationships who is the boss? [46]

You need to read that thing again ..

Anyway, as to your question ... yes women like being heard, specially when they realize that their men love them. Its not a bad feeling to the man either, that is, to listen to the wife ... there is a joy when she CLAIMS ...

However, its not really about everything. The small things rather ... eventually the wives do like to see their men taking charge of the bigger things in life. I am talking about normal families, not those where everyone loves to rebel whatever is the situation infront of them...

Love / In Polish relationships who is the boss? [46]

There is no real boss in Polish relationships ... however, the women seem to prefer the men having a spine.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


I think this topic is more about France than Poland ... so I am surprised you bring this in :)

In any condition, as you have brought this topic ... I would like to tell you that we have a sound judiciary to handle such things. Our political arena do not support or show doubts when justice must be done. Our people do not feel sympathetic to such fiends...

However, recently what was shown about the French was not very positive. You will have criminals among you, but to really give them special support or benefit of the doubt makes it the "bad part".

Certainly people are becoming more aware in Poland, and our ideals do not correlate with people who are criminals. Such people can be there always, but the reaction of the political arena, the judiciary and the people shows the nation's integrity.

If you read more info, Poles have rejected him.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

Don't worry topic starter, we don't want to let Strauss Kahns and Sarkozys appearing on the Polish arena ... we're going to give them better checks and we're gonna foster better integrity ... the maids of New York and the models of Europe are safe from Polish predators.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]

There are those who care ... and they live in peace.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


No matter what you did ... you still escaped that declaration of marriage. This makes you a person with doubt.

Tell me why if everything is there between you two that you didn't get married? What kept you away from marriage? Fear? Hatred towards this institution (and why that?)? Some hidden doubt against each other? Keep looking still?

No, you can bring in lots of wits but you cannot beat that. Marriage is marriage and it cannot be replaced by anything else. You can keep saying I got everything, a house - a car - a this and a that ... but all this cannot constitute a home ... even though they can make it into a house.

You were not given the explanation by the right people for marriage. Had that happened, today we would not be arguing on something so simple to understand.

A marriage is a way two people unite into one, and keeping the community alive. This is the process by which two souls become one ... did it ever cross your mind that you would live with him and his essence even had he just passed away tomorrow?

Those are very deep feelings ... and they get deeper and more confident with marriage. Lets say that you are having everything (or think you are having), but still nothing is yours truly...


Just trying not to generalize.


Yes ... matures ... evolves ... like the weathers...

My dad once told me what his dad told him when he saw my grandfather kiss my grandma a year before her died. It was a bit funny ... because they were being romantic at that age (he died when he was 83). He said that when you love someone, love matures. You don't just love her youth, but her aging days... all her days you find her new, and fall in love with each of her colors ... each of her seasons ... and never look back with an attitude that you lost those days, but with an attitude that those days were so much good, but cannot compare to the current day, because the current day is too unique to be compared :) ...

Well its longer than that, but I tried to put it in a nutshell. My dad said these things to me when I were supposed to know. His dad told him because he should know at that age ...

When I did model for a suiting company ... the concern of my mom was that I would not remain in favor of my family values which we have uphold since a long time (forefathers, and we are a good dynasty). I did think of such stuff as perhaps not necessary. However, they were not unacceptable in my heart either (I mean the marriage). I did prefer waiting for someone special, and when she came along, I somehow knew inside of me that I wanted this to be a marriage. By belief in marriage was firm since then.

I don't blame anybody if they think differently. All I am saying is what I firmly believe in ... and I have seen proper marriages in their fullness to be quite successful. They give way to families, and families are important.

Thats my idea of life ... and I would like to give my views to my children. Lets see what my father's grandsons think about them :). I will try never to tell anyone anything that I did myself not follow. Surely.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


My intentions were correct, but my English might not be impeccable, I am not an Englishman.

As for the meaning of what I said: I meant that being on someone's bed for free of responsibility, free of a official, noteworthy relationship ... free of rights and free of respect ... is not praiseworthy. It is free of the magnitude of what makes a couple truly one.


I wear blinkers?

I see a marriage and its place. People's lives would be good had they chose their partners not on the basis of the exterior, and not just for their immediate need. But they would choose someone educated, caring, responsible ... through a walk or a talk or a little bit of time (maybe a year or two) of knowing each other, behavior and lifestyle.

Then ofcourse, consult each others parents. If there is a race or language or religious difference, then explain the parents with logic and reasoning why this marriage can also be a successful one.

Then, parents of such children are usually never so rigid when they realize that the boy or girl is someone who is a family-type and can raise a home together. They do allow, always.

But then those parents who make chaos on racist or other such matters ... without considering any logic or reasoning, are parents whose children often don't really care ... or are always derailed.

There is a process and structure to every phenomena. Marriage is a phenomena with a structure and a process. Just the word "MARRIAGE" certainly don't mean anything without its total structure and process. Something which you repeatedly don't understand (or try not to understand).


Again, as I mentioned... you do not want to or try to understand what the concept of marriage really means.

Unhappy marriage are often sometimes self creations. Honesty and love remains there but with time it must also evolve ... 20s it behaves differently, then in 30s its different ... these things are stuff that my mom and dad taught me, and I await to evolve with my relationship. While doing well in my career is also a great testimony of their efforts. It is very important to have a parent who can lead by example, and even FOR THAT, MARRIAGE BECOMES IMPORTANT. Had they not been a proper couple, I would perhaps find it difficult to understand the concept of marriage.

YOU ALWAYS MUST WORK HARD AND REMAIN ALERT at every point in your life ... whether work, raising a child, or your marriage. This world is a world of tests and issues, in which the spouses hold each others hands and cross every line. Keeping and guarding their honesty, love, responsibilities and their future.

Petty things, little quarrels, a little anger ... maybe sometimes more ... but then they together eventually sit and sought it out as they know that together is their world ... and they never disrespect each other ... and always come to each others support and defenses ... no matter what.

If I make no sense ... then lets not bother beyond it. For such things to make sense, words are not always enough.

Take care.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]

For then nothing can be beyond racial superiority or inferiority ... or perversion of good values and positive feelings. You will notice ... its always the same.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


Such people are living a hallucination. They are afraid of responsibilities, and once it comes infront of them they discover their internal disability and run away from it. They don't really look for a soulmate or a life partner, all they want is a free bed mate ... or something very un-family. You call it freelife? ... I call it misuse of liberty.


You can very well disagree. I have no objection ... but your disagreement do not convert a wrong into a right.

Its not the right process because it lags the soul of "Love", which is devotion, commitment, responsibility, union and being a "unit". Marriage is a great institution which is devised to bring God in the spiritual sense into a union ... and also in the psychological sense it brings a known and declared commitment, also proves the couples resolve for being responsible to carry on this great support system between each other.

Marriage is also a legal bonding between a man and a woman which helps their rights and the rights of the child.

Marriage is also a great education for the child to know how to conduct himself in life. To know that with the great gift of love, comes the responsibility with it. To know what a family is, how it must work, how it is defined, and how he can grow up and make one of his own. The child can see its mother and father together, a single unit, a parent ... a complete family. THIS IS IMPORTANT.

I am not being religion here. I am all in favor of inter-religious marriage too. My own wife is a Buddhist and I am not. But the institution is vital, universal and holy (its followed in every proper and matured civilization). It is something very significant for humans.


It means you are resisting the concept of taking your partners, and this relationships RESPONSIBILITY officially and ceremoniously. Why not? There is a big doubt and it is thus, not love ... but just fulfilling lust.


Marriage is that commitment and that responsibility ... it is a great institution. Just because you call it bullshit, overrated, or any other name ... doesn't make it something less. Only makes you a very ignorant person against it. If you don't like it, stay out of it. No one is forcing... its just about opinions ... and about values. You don't like it, don't take it. Be on someones bed for free no problem.


It has alot ... but being married don't only mean a cake or a dance ... or a dress or a feast. It means much more ... it means the carrying out of it. This one is missed or maybe unknown to you?

So please don't try to tarnish its reality only because you don't know what MARRIAGE actually means in its entirely. Its not a "stage show" which many do and then suffer.


Marriage is about Love, it is about responsibility, value, commitment, rights (yes, it is also included), spirituality, sanctity and devotion ... it is the conversion of two into one.


So this clearly confirms my point. Its a lustful thing, selfish and self centered - this FREESTYLE WESTERN CONCEPT OF LIVEINS without marriage. Its spreading, but it will fall on its face with or a very desolate future awaits for those who follow.

GO AHEAD ... your life at the end of the day.


And stay happy ... but just be with drug and with drowsy eyes say "oh I feel coool".


That is the correct truth :) ...

But how to explain people who meet only the wrong ones in a strip club or perhaps a Polish construction worker and then think the whole of Poland is like that.

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As for the topic ... the mother in right in her place. She is disgusted ... and the topic poster can be assured that this mother will not abandon her daughter ... although the daughter certainly did puncture her heart.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


My whole family was very happy when my sister said that she was interested in marrying a man WHO WAS POLISH ... my whole family including me were very happy about it. This man is a good man, and he still loves her, and they have wonderful children. We still REMAIN happy about it.

I wish we do in future, all in the Lords hand.

Anyways, it do not matter. Midas is a Polish hater, and all the Polish he knows are some labors or workers he uses for getting contracts and business. Nothing beyond it. His mind is limited to that only.

There are Polish girls who decide to marry men of good education and behavior from Eastern countries like India or Bangladesh or North African country too ... I didn't see Polish mother's cry and weep (yes sometimes they are nervous, but they demand to meet the boy and this is logical).

I think all the mother wants is a good married life of their daughter. Provided it is a good mother ... and not a gold digger which can be in any country or culture (including west Europe) ...

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


You are so fast in grabbing that one up ... :) ... give a little time for me to answer.


No.


Maybe about everything else ... not in doing such a deed, its below even low standards and morals in the concept of family and society. Its a great work of man and woman, that is to build a healthy and functioning family which would give way to a community and a society. To deny this responsibility, and infact to harm or move away from it, to reject it ... is definitely not a respectable or honorable thing to do.

By saying this I am not stopping anyone. Everyone is and should be free to choose. But its surely not something I have seen to work in the proper way a well selected and maintained marriage does.

High standards and morals also involve taking care of the spouse, being understanding, honest, loving and integrate each others family into a good and healthy family circle. This must continue in all stages of life, youth, middle, old and then the spirit. This is true and proper marriage. Certainly in between there can be anger, few screams, maybe a tear ... but never they come because honesty or love was compromised ... but because of petty matters which occur in life.

A strong marriage is the marriage I am talking about. Not the one done to show off.


This is an institution, for any clarification. It is not "valued", but it is a "value" a "blessing" ... a declaration ... a commitment ... responsibility ... right ... honor and an act of CONFIDENCE. I say "WHY NOT?" ... what is the problem? ...

Millions of people take drugs everyday ... it doesn't make it right.


Did I say that?

Unless it comes from a person's own understanding and heart ... state sanctions of anything of that kind is useless. In any condition I am in favor of freedom to all ... I live on a balance, you don't need to think in extremes only :).

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


Men and women both.


But with time came civilization. This is the righteous and proper way to consummation ... those who do not follow are primitive, just like those who were there in the dawn of mankind.


I mentioned it. If this is so, I can again understand the mother's pain.


I think young couples ought to be more responsible with their behavior than that. Getting married is not such a bondage that it will hamper prosperity and progress in life. People make it what it is actually not. It is actually a great support system ... but ofcourse, had the couple been in love they would know that this commitment was special and would come naturally. But lust is another thing ...


No I don't. I think I have formed my sentences correctly for anyone with education to understand that I do not make it seem what is not true.


Not JUST a boyfriend ... but she sleeps with him, and there is no marriage around... and its like a reckless lifestyle some youths these days adopt.

Its a mother's pain which spoke. I can guarantee that this mother will not abandon her ... mothers are MOTHERS ... maybe she is upset and very heartbroken, but she will not abandon her completely. Although the daughter did abandon her values ... and in future she will certainly know what wrong she did. Not very distant future. At that time she will sit with a cat and switch on the notebook, give advices to people ... go to church ... start acting like as though she were some saint. BUT TO NO AVAIL ... only feel deprived for the remaining part of her life, no matter how much money she have around her.

Relationships not only need to be formed, but also maintained and preserved ... they are not playthings ... they are not so less important that they can come after everything else. No problem is so big that one cannot wait till marriage, or if wait is not possible ... then simply marry.

If all these things go above your head ... then its just not your thing ... but doesn't mean you can call names on a mother for things that goes between her and her daughter.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


No ... I think I can understand her much better than you do. I would be surprised if Magdalena doesn't.

But then, it depends of the family and the brought-up. It is to be remembered that not every Pole has been given the same values ... we differ with families and personal choices as well.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


I think her momma is a person of values and pure sentiments. She values the institution of marriage, and wished her daughter to be with a man who would not shy away from taking the honor of this responsibility with confidence.

There is a limit to becoming rebellion or westernized. Marriage to British or even German or anyplace is the world would not be the concern here, I think the concern is simply about her choice of not being in a marriage. Had this daughter respected her mother, or had any respect for herself ... she would not be with a man who is in a relationship of sleeping with her ... its a very disturbing form of relationship in my view. Its something which increasing number of Poles are getting afflicted, I do accept... but still there are families which do not have it among them ... these are families with values and legacy ...

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


huh?

She will never be truly happy without her mum's blessings or love ... the mum disowned her it seems.

By the way ... Midas is the SICK Psychopath of the Forum who is out there to be racist against Poles and insult on every occasion.


Your solution is that you MARRY your girlfriend, if you cannot, then her mum is partially correct.

Why she chose a man who is not confident or responsible enough for her to get married?

If she is the reason why there is no marriage, then I guess her mum deserves to live her last days in peace by forgetting her. If that is what she wants ..

Life / What do Poles think of Indians? [35]

They have good music ...

I have some friends from India, and they are keen on education, plus they try and integrate well. I have heard in West Europe, UK, they do not integrate as well. But in Poland they do somehow ... I dunno how?

However, the Indians here, the students mostly, are mostly on a process to becoming Polonized :), with their children being half Polish and their spouses being Pole.

They usually start businesses, food, or other service related industries.

I would include Bangladesh people in the same group and you are previously (historically) same people, right?

I have only befriended the good folks, if any of them are being a pain here, I am not aware but then it is not my business (government will handle).

Love / I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland [165]


Hey he might be a black South African you now ... then I am sure you would have a different opinion as per usual :)