yehudi
18 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]
I think they are detached from their history.
I think those Isrealis are forward-thinking, forgiving people.
I think they are detached from their history.
yehudi
19 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]
You say I'm wrong, but you haven't contradicted anything I said. You say that it wasn't very warm or welcome for anyone else either, but it was home for better or for worse. I agree. You pointed out the reasons why polish nationalism took on an anti-jewish feeling. Your analysis is mainly correct (although you left out the anti-jewish influence of the church). So then you agree with me that Poland was not a friendly place for Jews between the wars as Kith would like to believe. Of course there were objective reasons for this – but the facts are there for anyone to see. And the bad memories that Jews have of Poland are the result.
Make no mistake – this was not just a Polish phenomenon. Jews in Iraq, for example, went through the same issues in the 1940s. (I happen to be reading a book about that now). There too the nation achieved independence from foreign rule and nationalism took an anti-Jewish tone. There too some Jews were assimilationists (into Arab culture), some were communists, some were Zionists and some were traditional religious people who wished the Ottomans never left. There were arrests, hangings and pogroms and then there was a mass flight of Jews to other countries, mostly Israel.
All these experiences support the Zionist point of view, which is that Jews who want to be Jews should live in their own country.
To conclude, your generalization about not welcoming Poland is all wrong.
You say I'm wrong, but you haven't contradicted anything I said. You say that it wasn't very warm or welcome for anyone else either, but it was home for better or for worse. I agree. You pointed out the reasons why polish nationalism took on an anti-jewish feeling. Your analysis is mainly correct (although you left out the anti-jewish influence of the church). So then you agree with me that Poland was not a friendly place for Jews between the wars as Kith would like to believe. Of course there were objective reasons for this – but the facts are there for anyone to see. And the bad memories that Jews have of Poland are the result.
Make no mistake – this was not just a Polish phenomenon. Jews in Iraq, for example, went through the same issues in the 1940s. (I happen to be reading a book about that now). There too the nation achieved independence from foreign rule and nationalism took an anti-Jewish tone. There too some Jews were assimilationists (into Arab culture), some were communists, some were Zionists and some were traditional religious people who wished the Ottomans never left. There were arrests, hangings and pogroms and then there was a mass flight of Jews to other countries, mostly Israel.
All these experiences support the Zionist point of view, which is that Jews who want to be Jews should live in their own country.
yehudi
20 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]
You're ignoring too much history. Look at this link and tell me which part isn't true:
worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Total/Polish%20Antisemitism.htm
The policy of Polish state had no bearings on well-beings general jewish population.
You're ignoring too much history. Look at this link and tell me which part isn't true:
worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Total/Polish%20Antisemitism.htm
yehudi
21 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]
That article refers only to government actions. It's not as if they came out of a vacuum. There were strong currents of anti-jewish feeling among all classes of people in Europe for many hundreds of years and Poland was no exception. Since there were more Jews in Poland than anywhere else, these currents found expression there more than most places. In any event, the last decade left a bitter taste. When you eat a bag of pistachio nuts and the last one you put in your mouth is rotten, that's the taste that stays with you.
Again, I'm not saying that Poland is unfriendly to Jews today. Today, Jews are foreign visitors who leave after a week or two (except for the tiny local community), and not a large minority living within the country so the issue is not relevant anymore and only has historical significance.
its a hardly time for someone with a bit of wit to judge Poland as "unfriendly" place:).
That article refers only to government actions. It's not as if they came out of a vacuum. There were strong currents of anti-jewish feeling among all classes of people in Europe for many hundreds of years and Poland was no exception. Since there were more Jews in Poland than anywhere else, these currents found expression there more than most places. In any event, the last decade left a bitter taste. When you eat a bag of pistachio nuts and the last one you put in your mouth is rotten, that's the taste that stays with you.
Again, I'm not saying that Poland is unfriendly to Jews today. Today, Jews are foreign visitors who leave after a week or two (except for the tiny local community), and not a large minority living within the country so the issue is not relevant anymore and only has historical significance.
yehudi
21 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]
What you're telling me is that there were objective reasons for anti-Jewish laws and not just blind hatred; that there were reasons that Polish nationalists had a problem with Jews; that an unassimilated minority is a threat to the majority. I know all that and I won't argue otherwise. It's that realization that gave a push to Zionism in Poland. We realized that to live as Jews, without having to be at the mercy of a majority, no matter how tolerant they might be, we have to be a majority in our own country. Which is why I'm writing you from Israel and not a shtetl in Poland.
But no matter how logical the reasons, the result was that Jews felt unwanted by Poland. If not for the war, as Ironside suggests, things might have worked out. The outcome probably would have been increased emigration to the West and to Israel until the remaining Jewish community would have been small enough and assimilated enough to make the friction manageable.
But instead the Germans came and the entire world of Jewish Poland was wiped out. In the trauma, it was hard for survivors to distinguish between the run-of-the-mill anti-minority feelings of 1930s poland, the religious anti-Jewishness of the church, and the insane, murderous hatred of the germans. In the Jewish mind it sometimes gets lumped together, and all the hurts of the past few hundred years come to the surface – "the churches preached against us, the Poles hated us, then the germans came and killed us and the Poles watched as it happened and then there were pogroms after the war, so we left, and good riddance."
That narrative seems totally unjust to you, and it's certainly simplistic. But what happened happened and these feelings were the result. The only way to heal the bad feelings is to be nice to each other now. There is no reason in the world why Jews and Poles in 2010 can't get along. As countries, Poland and Israel are friendly and they should be.
I have more to say but this is long enough.
What you're telling me is that there were objective reasons for anti-Jewish laws and not just blind hatred; that there were reasons that Polish nationalists had a problem with Jews; that an unassimilated minority is a threat to the majority. I know all that and I won't argue otherwise. It's that realization that gave a push to Zionism in Poland. We realized that to live as Jews, without having to be at the mercy of a majority, no matter how tolerant they might be, we have to be a majority in our own country. Which is why I'm writing you from Israel and not a shtetl in Poland.
But no matter how logical the reasons, the result was that Jews felt unwanted by Poland. If not for the war, as Ironside suggests, things might have worked out. The outcome probably would have been increased emigration to the West and to Israel until the remaining Jewish community would have been small enough and assimilated enough to make the friction manageable.
But instead the Germans came and the entire world of Jewish Poland was wiped out. In the trauma, it was hard for survivors to distinguish between the run-of-the-mill anti-minority feelings of 1930s poland, the religious anti-Jewishness of the church, and the insane, murderous hatred of the germans. In the Jewish mind it sometimes gets lumped together, and all the hurts of the past few hundred years come to the surface – "the churches preached against us, the Poles hated us, then the germans came and killed us and the Poles watched as it happened and then there were pogroms after the war, so we left, and good riddance."
That narrative seems totally unjust to you, and it's certainly simplistic. But what happened happened and these feelings were the result. The only way to heal the bad feelings is to be nice to each other now. There is no reason in the world why Jews and Poles in 2010 can't get along. As countries, Poland and Israel are friendly and they should be.
I have more to say but this is long enough.
yehudi
21 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]
Hey, those coins fell out of my pocket when I was in Krakow three years ago!
some of our first coins have Hebrew symbols on them, no one knows that.
Hey, those coins fell out of my pocket when I was in Krakow three years ago!
yehudi
25 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]
Here's a full disclosure of the real Zionist agenda: To be a free nation in our own land.
Sorry if it sounds too simple and too short, but that's it.
Don't hesitate, give us all more of a disclosure about the Zionism, its real agenda, NWO and things like that.
Be my guest. Go ahead.
Be my guest. Go ahead.
Here's a full disclosure of the real Zionist agenda: To be a free nation in our own land.
Sorry if it sounds too simple and too short, but that's it.
yehudi
25 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]
There is no one "official zionist page". There are many zionist groups and organizations, with a variety of opinions ranging from socialist to nationalist, from pro-compromise to anti-compromise, anti-religious and very religious. You can do your own research. But if you want to find what I think you're looking for, try the Stormfront. That's your speed.
Shoot me a link to the official Zionist page, if you could.
There is no one "official zionist page". There are many zionist groups and organizations, with a variety of opinions ranging from socialist to nationalist, from pro-compromise to anti-compromise, anti-religious and very religious. You can do your own research. But if you want to find what I think you're looking for, try the Stormfront. That's your speed.
yehudi
26 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]
Who is NWO? What are you talking about?
Interested in Zionist supremacists and NWO under Star of David flag.
Who is NWO? What are you talking about?
yehudi
26 Jan 2010
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]
It's also used by Rastafarians and the San Diego police. What does that have to do with Zionism?
He means the New World Order, yehudi. The Star of David has symbolic importance to Masons and other Illuminati freaks. Many have misgivings
It's also used by Rastafarians and the San Diego police. What does that have to do with Zionism?
yehudi
17 Feb 2010
History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]
I just looked at the Haaretz article and in the the Talkback section there are plenty of comments (nearly all of them) protesting the ignorant nonsense that the writer said about Poles operating Auschwitz. I stopped counting after 20 comments. So don't imply that Haaretz is suppressing your opinion.
My only consolation from this idiot's article is that he denounces the Israel army for killing civilians. If a person is so wrong about Poland, you can be sure he's wrong about Israel too.
I see your comment along with mine in the trash bin of Haaretz. You and I made wrong comments.
I just looked at the Haaretz article and in the the Talkback section there are plenty of comments (nearly all of them) protesting the ignorant nonsense that the writer said about Poles operating Auschwitz. I stopped counting after 20 comments. So don't imply that Haaretz is suppressing your opinion.
My only consolation from this idiot's article is that he denounces the Israel army for killing civilians. If a person is so wrong about Poland, you can be sure he's wrong about Israel too.
yehudi
21 Feb 2010
yehudi
23 Feb 2010
Genealogy / Bachor surname (from around Zapalow) / Nieckarz [9]
You're almost right. There are two words, both in hebrew. One is BACHUR, which means a young man. The other is BECHOR, which means firstborn son. The root letters of the two words are different and they are not related. Both words were borrowed by Yiddish.
BACHOR: Originally in Hebrew bachur meant a yougn man; in Yiddish it could mean a first-born son.
You're almost right. There are two words, both in hebrew. One is BACHUR, which means a young man. The other is BECHOR, which means firstborn son. The root letters of the two words are different and they are not related. Both words were borrowed by Yiddish.
yehudi
9 Mar 2010
Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]
So the hatred is finally coming out. I thought only the Muslims were brainwashed.
I got news for you Darius, we're not deployed. We live here (in Israel). We're not all over the middle east but only in Israel, and we never had an argument with Iran. We're not European, we're Jews – some of who came from Europe and others came from the middle east. Our roots here are as deep as yours if not deeper.
And if you don't mind, send me some factual data on Israelis raping women or else shutup.
Currently there's millions of European Jews and Troops deployed all over the Middle East. they meddle in political affairs, they rape women, kill children and destroy lives just for fun.
So the hatred is finally coming out. I thought only the Muslims were brainwashed.
I got news for you Darius, we're not deployed. We live here (in Israel). We're not all over the middle east but only in Israel, and we never had an argument with Iran. We're not European, we're Jews – some of who came from Europe and others came from the middle east. Our roots here are as deep as yours if not deeper.
And if you don't mind, send me some factual data on Israelis raping women or else shutup.
yehudi
9 Mar 2010
Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]
I can tell you about Israel's space program, world class universities and nobel prize recipients and you still won't gave a good word to say about us. That just proves that your agenda isn't an objective analysis of why some nations succeed and others don't but you're more interested in nursing your prejudices.
Maybe you want to tell me about the african space program, or which university can compare to Harvard or Yale? Or how many nobel price recipients that come from Africa or any arab state the last 100 years?
I can tell you about Israel's space program, world class universities and nobel prize recipients and you still won't gave a good word to say about us. That just proves that your agenda isn't an objective analysis of why some nations succeed and others don't but you're more interested in nursing your prejudices.
yehudi
10 Mar 2010
Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]
Yes, by immigration. From Europe, Arab countries, Iran, Russia and elsewhere. Your assumption that all Jews coming from outside the mideast are not really jews is a racist approach that has no historical basis. Iranian Jews probably have some non-Jewish blood and so do Russian Jews. We don't test people for racial purity. Who we accept in our country is not your affair. My son-in-law's family is from Mashad. My daughter-in-law's family was from Hungary. But we are all one family and one people.
True, there are some Russians who are clearly non-Jews who exploited the chance to get Israeli citizenship in order to leave Russia. Since the entire Russian immigration amounts to about 1 million people, the non-Jewish portion is no more than 500,000. So where are your "millions of European Jews and Troops deployed all over the Middle East"? You probably got that from the same source where you found Israeli soldiers raping palestinian girls. It simply has not happened. Name one case.
So it's pretty obvious how Israel's population suddenly boasted over 7 Million.
Yes, by immigration. From Europe, Arab countries, Iran, Russia and elsewhere. Your assumption that all Jews coming from outside the mideast are not really jews is a racist approach that has no historical basis. Iranian Jews probably have some non-Jewish blood and so do Russian Jews. We don't test people for racial purity. Who we accept in our country is not your affair. My son-in-law's family is from Mashad. My daughter-in-law's family was from Hungary. But we are all one family and one people.
True, there are some Russians who are clearly non-Jews who exploited the chance to get Israeli citizenship in order to leave Russia. Since the entire Russian immigration amounts to about 1 million people, the non-Jewish portion is no more than 500,000. So where are your "millions of European Jews and Troops deployed all over the Middle East"? You probably got that from the same source where you found Israeli soldiers raping palestinian girls. It simply has not happened. Name one case.
yehudi
10 Mar 2010
Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]
You're a strange fellow and somehow I doubt you are what you say you are, but that's beside the point.
I stand by my statement that Israeli soldiers never raped an Arab woman. You can say whatever you want, but that is a fact. (This was actually studied by an anti-zionist professor in Israel who said that this is an example of Israeli racism, since it proves that israelis find Arab women not worth raping. This is the absurdity that some people reach in demonizing israel.)
That might be obvious to someone brought up in the enlightened country of Iran, but in Israel an accusation of rape by an israeli soldier would be in every newspaper and it would cause a public outcry and certainly be investigated. Your impression of Israel and its people is so distorted you have no idea.
There was no agreement with the arab nations. They rejected the UN partition. Look it up. The borders from 1948 to 1967 were ceasefire lines, and they were not violated by Israel till the attack by Egypt and Jordan in 1967.
You're a strange fellow and somehow I doubt you are what you say you are, but that's beside the point.
I stand by my statement that Israeli soldiers never raped an Arab woman. You can say whatever you want, but that is a fact. (This was actually studied by an anti-zionist professor in Israel who said that this is an example of Israeli racism, since it proves that israelis find Arab women not worth raping. This is the absurdity that some people reach in demonizing israel.)
and obviously an Israeli solder will never be trailed for rape in an Israeli court.
That might be obvious to someone brought up in the enlightened country of Iran, but in Israel an accusation of rape by an israeli soldier would be in every newspaper and it would cause a public outcry and certainly be investigated. Your impression of Israel and its people is so distorted you have no idea.
You lost that right when you broke your agreement with the Arab Nations, British Mandate, U.N and extended your borders beyond the original UNSCOP partition.
There was no agreement with the arab nations. They rejected the UN partition. Look it up. The borders from 1948 to 1967 were ceasefire lines, and they were not violated by Israel till the attack by Egypt and Jordan in 1967.
yehudi
11 Mar 2010
Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]
This is ludicrous! I accept that Israelis are not perfect and that it's legitimate to criticize us for things we did that you don't agree with. But you are backing the Persian traveller for an accusation that has no basis at all. None of you can bring a case of an Israeli soldier raping a palestinian girl and yet you think I'm unrealistic because it's obvious to you that soldiers rape. Maybe in your countries they do, but not in mine. Listen to your argument:
Soldiers rape. Israelis are soldiers. Therefore they rape palestinian girls.
Even if this ridiculous logic made sense you wouldn't be saying anything more than "Israelis are no worse than anyone else." But the logic is faulty. Because the first part is false. Not all soldiers rape. Israelis don't.
Are you naive? Rape is both an inevitability and a tool of war. THAT is a fact. What is also a fact is that the IDF has both; free reign throughout certain Arab areas, and absolutely no one to deter them from abuse.
This is ludicrous! I accept that Israelis are not perfect and that it's legitimate to criticize us for things we did that you don't agree with. But you are backing the Persian traveller for an accusation that has no basis at all. None of you can bring a case of an Israeli soldier raping a palestinian girl and yet you think I'm unrealistic because it's obvious to you that soldiers rape. Maybe in your countries they do, but not in mine. Listen to your argument:
Soldiers rape. Israelis are soldiers. Therefore they rape palestinian girls.
Even if this ridiculous logic made sense you wouldn't be saying anything more than "Israelis are no worse than anyone else." But the logic is faulty. Because the first part is false. Not all soldiers rape. Israelis don't.
yehudi
14 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Looking for a Polish Jew "Nina" saved in the war [10]
Has the family in Poland been in contact with her? Why are you nervous? In these matters it's not a good idea to wait to long. People don't live forever.
Does she speak English? I can translate from Hebrew to English if there is a need.
Has the family in Poland been in contact with her? Why are you nervous? In these matters it's not a good idea to wait to long. People don't live forever.
Does she speak English? I can translate from Hebrew to English if there is a need.
yehudi
14 Mar 2010
Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]
Not true at all. We meet arabs everywhere in stores, workplaces, restaurants, hospitals and other areas of everyday life. I could go out in the street right now and count at least 10 arabs within a few minutes. As far as Palestinians from the territories, we see less of them on an everyday basis since the Intifada, but every israeli still has some contact with them, particularly in Jerusalem.
You say that Israelis aren't allow to go into the occupied territories except soldiers. This is also not true. The areas that are still under Israeli control are accessible to Israelis and palestinians. The places under palestinian control are closed to Jews (talk about apartheid!) More than 90% of palestinians live in those areas but they move in and out of Israeli controlled areas so there is daily contact. For example Israelis who live in settlements shop in the same stores and buy petrol in the same stations as the palestinians.
I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your intentions are good. So I'll just say that nearly everything you say about israel is based on lack of knowledge and assumptions that have no connection with reality. You can oppose Israel all you want, but at least you should know the truth about what Israel really is before you form your opinion. Not everything you learn growing up in Iran is true.
Israelis meet them for the first time during military service, and this perspective is from that of an occupier and an enemy, leaving you with an untrue impression of them. As for as I know Israelis aren't allow to go into the occupied territories except soldiers.
Not true at all. We meet arabs everywhere in stores, workplaces, restaurants, hospitals and other areas of everyday life. I could go out in the street right now and count at least 10 arabs within a few minutes. As far as Palestinians from the territories, we see less of them on an everyday basis since the Intifada, but every israeli still has some contact with them, particularly in Jerusalem.
You say that Israelis aren't allow to go into the occupied territories except soldiers. This is also not true. The areas that are still under Israeli control are accessible to Israelis and palestinians. The places under palestinian control are closed to Jews (talk about apartheid!) More than 90% of palestinians live in those areas but they move in and out of Israeli controlled areas so there is daily contact. For example Israelis who live in settlements shop in the same stores and buy petrol in the same stations as the palestinians.
I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your intentions are good. So I'll just say that nearly everything you say about israel is based on lack of knowledge and assumptions that have no connection with reality. You can oppose Israel all you want, but at least you should know the truth about what Israel really is before you form your opinion. Not everything you learn growing up in Iran is true.
yehudi
14 Mar 2010
Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]
No it's not true. In most places here you don't see more of a police presence than any city in Europe or the US. Even less. Your wife was touring so she likely went to the Old City in Jerusalem. There you would find soldiers or police patrolling on foot.
What your wife also probably saw were soldiers on leave who normally carry their weapon on the way home or to their base. So it's very normal here to sit next to a soldier on a bus who has an M16 between his knees. They are not ready to fire, and if your wife knows anything about guns she would probably have noticed that the magazine is not inserted and the Safety is on. In my army years I would often ride on a bus with an M16, but in a crowded place you hold it with the butt down and the barrel facing up to avoid accidents.
You don't really notice it unless there's some security situation going on.
Yeah but isn't it the case that you live under constant police patrol, yehudi?
No it's not true. In most places here you don't see more of a police presence than any city in Europe or the US. Even less. Your wife was touring so she likely went to the Old City in Jerusalem. There you would find soldiers or police patrolling on foot.
Teenagers with karabins walking around ready to fire, that's what my wife saw in Jerusalem and its environs.
What your wife also probably saw were soldiers on leave who normally carry their weapon on the way home or to their base. So it's very normal here to sit next to a soldier on a bus who has an M16 between his knees. They are not ready to fire, and if your wife knows anything about guns she would probably have noticed that the magazine is not inserted and the Safety is on. In my army years I would often ride on a bus with an M16, but in a crowded place you hold it with the butt down and the barrel facing up to avoid accidents.
That's no way to live if so.
You don't really notice it unless there's some security situation going on.
yehudi
14 Mar 2010
Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]
I agree. We don't justify it and we don't do that.
I agree. We don't systematically kill palestinians. There is no policy to do that. We do however fight armed groups that fight us, as any country would.
Again, you have assumptions that are either completely baseless or highly exaggerated, and you're basing you opinions on that.
There's an easy answer for that. The arabs would outnumber the Jews at some point simply by encouraging immigration from the arab world that surrounds us (25 countries with a combined population of 358 million people). If that would happen, Jews would not be allowed in anymore. This scenario would lead to a civil war far bloodier than what's happening now.
That's called Leftist defeatism. It happens in the best of countries.
By the way, there are many Persian Jews prominent in Israel, such as Shaul Mofaz, former chief of staff, Rita Yahan-Farouz a very popular singer. You can listen to her here:
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I don't know how anyone can justify Israeli snipers shooting kids throwing rocks,
I agree. We don't justify it and we don't do that.
I think it's fundamentally wrong to systematically kill and drive people off land that is theirs as much as it's yours.
I agree. We don't systematically kill palestinians. There is no policy to do that. We do however fight armed groups that fight us, as any country would.
Again, you have assumptions that are either completely baseless or highly exaggerated, and you're basing you opinions on that.
And last but not least I think it's wrong of you guys not to build a joint state with the Palestinians.
There's an easy answer for that. The arabs would outnumber the Jews at some point simply by encouraging immigration from the arab world that surrounds us (25 countries with a combined population of 358 million people). If that would happen, Jews would not be allowed in anymore. This scenario would lead to a civil war far bloodier than what's happening now.
can't see why they would lie about their own country?
That's called Leftist defeatism. It happens in the best of countries.
By the way, there are many Persian Jews prominent in Israel, such as Shaul Mofaz, former chief of staff, Rita Yahan-Farouz a very popular singer. You can listen to her here:
...
yehudi
14 Mar 2010
Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]
There you've gotten to the crux of the issue. If you think every nation in the world has a right to self-determination except for the Jews that would explain why you so easily accept the most outrageous assumptions about Israel.
But there is an israeli expression, adapted from Arabic, that says "the dogs will bark but the caravan will keep moving". You keep on with your ignorance. You keep barking. Meanwhile, we'll keep building our country. The best revenge is living a good life. And that we will do.
I'm against Zionism and the policy for establishing a national homeland for Jews.
There you've gotten to the crux of the issue. If you think every nation in the world has a right to self-determination except for the Jews that would explain why you so easily accept the most outrageous assumptions about Israel.
But there is an israeli expression, adapted from Arabic, that says "the dogs will bark but the caravan will keep moving". You keep on with your ignorance. You keep barking. Meanwhile, we'll keep building our country. The best revenge is living a good life. And that we will do.
yehudi
15 Mar 2010
Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]
No. Revenge against idiots like you who would like to see us fail.
Actually it's the other way around: Israeli prosperity benefits palestinians, increasing jobs. Palestinian prosperity is good for us too because it tends to encourage moderation. It doesn't have to be a zero sum game.
The barking dogs reference was not about Arabs but about people like you who keep criticizing while we build the country. Dogs can come from any race.
The best revenge? What revenge? Revenge for what the Nazi's and Europeans did to your people?
No. Revenge against idiots like you who would like to see us fail.
How many Palestinian lives will it cost to finish building your country?
Actually it's the other way around: Israeli prosperity benefits palestinians, increasing jobs. Palestinian prosperity is good for us too because it tends to encourage moderation. It doesn't have to be a zero sum game.
Or barking "dogs" as you so racistly put it.
The barking dogs reference was not about Arabs but about people like you who keep criticizing while we build the country. Dogs can come from any race.
yehudi
16 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Looking for a Polish Jew "Nina" saved in the war [10]
I'm not sure why Nina's family would mind if your father decided to move to Australia. But anyway, keep us posted. It's an interesting story.
I'm not sure why Nina's family would mind if your father decided to move to Australia. But anyway, keep us posted. It's an interesting story.
yehudi
18 Mar 2010
Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]
And what a superficial and ludicrous point it is.
Lots of people died here and lots of people died there. So it must be a similar situation.
Except that Germany really was trying to create an empire while Israel is about the size of Wales and is not looking to conquer any territory beyond what it now controls. You can say we don't have a right to have any territory at all including the ground we're standing on, but that doesn't make us empire builders. Oh, and there was that detail of ghettos, death trains going to extermination camps, crematoriums and an industrialized program to exterminate an entire people, men women and children that succeeded in killing 6 million or so Jews and millions of non-Jews. I guess that's the same as the 1300 killed unintentionally in the fighting between Hamas and Israel.
Stop throwing around your recycled propaganda as if it was an informed opinion.
My point was that loads of people died in Europe and the same is happening in Palestine today.
And what a superficial and ludicrous point it is.
Lots of people died here and lots of people died there. So it must be a similar situation.
Except that Germany really was trying to create an empire while Israel is about the size of Wales and is not looking to conquer any territory beyond what it now controls. You can say we don't have a right to have any territory at all including the ground we're standing on, but that doesn't make us empire builders. Oh, and there was that detail of ghettos, death trains going to extermination camps, crematoriums and an industrialized program to exterminate an entire people, men women and children that succeeded in killing 6 million or so Jews and millions of non-Jews. I guess that's the same as the 1300 killed unintentionally in the fighting between Hamas and Israel.
Stop throwing around your recycled propaganda as if it was an informed opinion.
yehudi
22 Mar 2010
Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]
You can repeat bullsh*t as many times as you want and it still won't make it true.
As far as rights to education: There were no palestinian universities in the west bank before the israeli takeover in 1967. Not one. Now there are 7 universities. And palestinians also study at Hebrew University, Haifa University, Ben Gurion U and elsewhere in Israel.
As far as healthcare, here you really show your ignorance. Every hospital in Israel, particularly those in Jerusalem, has plenty of arab patients and staff both from Israel proper and the "territories", as you'll see in this article:
israelseen.com/2008/05/18/another-ridiculous-fabrication-racism-in-israeli-hospitals-by-ralph-dobrin/
No rights to education, inferior healthcare compared to Israeli's,
You can repeat bullsh*t as many times as you want and it still won't make it true.
As far as rights to education: There were no palestinian universities in the west bank before the israeli takeover in 1967. Not one. Now there are 7 universities. And palestinians also study at Hebrew University, Haifa University, Ben Gurion U and elsewhere in Israel.
As far as healthcare, here you really show your ignorance. Every hospital in Israel, particularly those in Jerusalem, has plenty of arab patients and staff both from Israel proper and the "territories", as you'll see in this article:
israelseen.com/2008/05/18/another-ridiculous-fabrication-racism-in-israeli-hospitals-by-ralph-dobrin/
yehudi
22 Mar 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]
You're all talking about why Hitler wanted to kill the jews. There are all kinds of nutjobs who think that killing the Jews will save the world. You can find them in the gutters of any city and even on this forum. The real question is how this maniac got the cultured German nation to carry it out. And how did the Germans get the Balts, Ukrainians and French (and others) to help them murder. So why ask about Hitler? Ask why Europe wanted to kill the Jews.
You're all talking about why Hitler wanted to kill the jews. There are all kinds of nutjobs who think that killing the Jews will save the world. You can find them in the gutters of any city and even on this forum. The real question is how this maniac got the cultured German nation to carry it out. And how did the Germans get the Balts, Ukrainians and French (and others) to help them murder. So why ask about Hitler? Ask why Europe wanted to kill the Jews.
yehudi
22 Mar 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]
Are you saying that the French police did not round up the Jews of Paris and that Lithuanians and Latvians didn't help murder their Jews and that the Croatians didn't participate? These are facts. You can explain the reasons all you want, but you can't deny that it happened. It wasn't one man and it wasn't one nation that did this.
And here we have a typical child of Jewish indoctrination "the world murdered Jewzz!!!!11"
Are you saying that the French police did not round up the Jews of Paris and that Lithuanians and Latvians didn't help murder their Jews and that the Croatians didn't participate? These are facts. You can explain the reasons all you want, but you can't deny that it happened. It wasn't one man and it wasn't one nation that did this.
yehudi
22 Mar 2010
Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]
Before Zionism came along, palestine was a primitive neglected region of the Ottoman empire with no industry or infrastructure to speak of. Other parts of the Arab world, such as Iraq and Egypt, were far more developed. Zionist immigration created jobs for people from surrounding regions, which explains the dramatic increase in Arab population during the 1st half of the 20th century. After 1948, the west bank was under jordanian rule and gaza was under egyptian rule and they were worse off than under the british. Since 1967 when we took over, both areas grew in terms of economy, education and healthcare. Until the intifada, tens of thousands of palestinians worked in Israel and their economy was growing. All the problems they have now are due to their violent struggle against israel, which continued even after we left Gaza.
You seem to be under the illusion that the Palestinians were a bunch of nobodies before you people came along and that they have somehow benefited
Before Zionism came along, palestine was a primitive neglected region of the Ottoman empire with no industry or infrastructure to speak of. Other parts of the Arab world, such as Iraq and Egypt, were far more developed. Zionist immigration created jobs for people from surrounding regions, which explains the dramatic increase in Arab population during the 1st half of the 20th century. After 1948, the west bank was under jordanian rule and gaza was under egyptian rule and they were worse off than under the british. Since 1967 when we took over, both areas grew in terms of economy, education and healthcare. Until the intifada, tens of thousands of palestinians worked in Israel and their economy was growing. All the problems they have now are due to their violent struggle against israel, which continued even after we left Gaza.