History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


Read the article.
The author sets out and defeats the commonly held view that Polish people are anti-Semitic by default, he also attempts to explain what many see as a defensive attitude of Polish people with particular reference to Jews.

I chose the quote because the thread asks if there is blood on Polish hands and it agreed with the poster above who quoted "Captain Obvious".

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


Its always safe to use the "what about" argument, ignoring anything you may be uncomfortable with.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]



Two very bad things (at least) happened only an idiot would say that all Polish are anti-semitic jew haters.
The Nazi holocaust happened to a large extent in Poland that is not the fault of Poland and I can understand why Polish people are defensive about it.

The article I posted was trying to get away from the moronic view of Poles as Jew hating knuckle draggers.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Sorry Mods, doesn't matter

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

I'm not going to talk about the Middle East.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Ok, I asked why you thought Jewish people turned against Poles.
I didn't believe Iraq had Nuclear weapons.
Now would you answer my question.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


And not every Polish person hates Jewish people.

Historical events are far more complicated than a simple retelling of facts no matter how they are presented, what makes it interesting is the back story.

Lumping people together is never a good idea, I recall the anarchists expelled during the partition era lots ended up in London and continued their activities, they were Poles of all flavours. I cant speak for British people but I know they didnt lump Poles together as anarchists. Those Poles were trying to free their country (rightly or wrongly)

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Often the flaming is the content:)

News / The "Arbeit Macht Frei" sign theft from Oswiecim, Poland [240]


This is old news, the story first appeared in a Danish paper and was picked up by others during the week.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


It seems simple but its not. Having an ethnic minority as citizens is legally correct but often those people ended up outside their state against their wishes, the vast majority will accept the new way but their hearts will be elsewhere. The majority state will refer to those minorities ironically as "the other" where all good deeds are in this case Polish and all bad deeds German, Ukrainian etc.

Where Germans treated badly in the second republic I dont know?
Did Germans treat Polish people harshly? Trying to extinguish a language is fairly harsh.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


That sounds good if you spoke German


He did it so its ok?


Sorry, I'll have to pay closer attention.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


I largely agree but the point about the allegiances of The Germanic minority in The Second Republic brings up issues of how they were treated, enforcing the Polish language on German speakers cant then be used as a legimate grievance using the logic of the quote.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


If I had been one I would have felt the same.


Again I agree with you drawing artificial lines is not good and has led to countless tragedies throughout the world.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


You got lost? I'm sure you will find your Ivory tower soon.


It’s what interwar Poland is known as in English


There is a time and place for pedantry


I'm glad you got that off your chest but I dont know what it means or am I being a bit pedantic here with you lack of quotes?

Genealogy / Missing/unknown letter in my great-grandmother's last name. Any ideas? [34]

Is it possible that the typed name could be a transcription of the name Rujna or similar(I dont know where the p could fit). Just a guess.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


It is good to be precise; In English it is the second republic.

If you lost your name get over it, you can change it back or did your ancestors not think it important enough?

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


I have been reading about this episode recently.


From angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/PolesinHaitiA.html

Most links refer to the sympathetic nature of Polish soldiers towards the Haitians especially as slavery was a foreign concept to Polish people. Most of the soldiers died of yellow fever and all but a handful of the survivors stayed in Haiti.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them?
Myths help define a nation painting it in a good light, today it's called spin. It’s not the fact that the truth is widely known but how the majority of the people feel about a story. The Hati myths though not widely known are a fine example, what is good about them is the sympathetic light shone upon the Polish legions (refracted by known Polish history).

I would say leave the myths alone.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Bratwurst Boy
Talking about almost anything with an idiot is difficult. A normal person knows what is mythic and what is not.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


People who are easily imprinted like baby ducks dont make good discussion partners. I dont know anyone who always believes the first thing they are told.

Indoctrination rarely occurs, religion is a good example of failed indoctrination, most people who say they are Catholic dont take communion on a daily basis when they could, in effect, rejecting Christ.

People are smart.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


Do you think most people are brainwashed?
National myths are important its how one approaches/defends them that may cause offence.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


They reinforce identity


I guess a lot of Americans do know and this is the point, they celebrate it as a national festival with collective amnesia.


Exactly.

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


Be advised, my passport's green
No glass of ours was ever raised
To toast the Queen
(Seamus Heaney)

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]


Its all there for you to read, you can read?

Off-Topic / Europe according to Poles and other European nations [44]


My neighbour has a wee dog and like you it thinks its a Rottweiler, all it does is make a lot of noise.
Would you develop a sense of humour.

Off-Topic / Europe according to Poles and other European nations [44]


OK, I'll use the Queen's English just for you.

My neighbour has a small dog......

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Very interesting
Are you saying that people hide behind myths?

USA, Canada / What do the Poles hate and love about the U.S.? [170]


Can you name them? I cant think of any except for instigating a company boycott of Israel or trade with Cuba and the former is rarely enforced.

UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]


WTF wise up.
Would you talk about anyone else like that, those people are concerned about their jobs, mortgages, feeding their children,etc.

UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]


I remember Norman Tebbit saying a similar thing