History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]


he calls you "dear friend" obviously because of he doesn't know you. if he knew how retarded person you were then he wouldn't say this of course. yes you deserve to be called "dear prick" instead of "dear friend".

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lol what an irony. look at your words. such humanist words fit greatly to a modern person like you.
man you are only disgracing yourselves while doing this.

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lol

History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]

socrates i don't believe either you are greek. and that turkish&greek brotherhood is impossible, as long as people with turkish complex exist. (guess who? southern? oh no)

and yes there's no way there can be smiliarity between turks and greeks. greeks look like slavs much more than they look like others(!)

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actually i shouldn't say anything about you call turks lazy, angry or stupid etc.. there can not be something more stupid than generalization of people in a whole nation.


there are still many monuments in istanbul. both from byzantium and ottomans. you know nothing and talk. come and see. istanbul is not capital of turkey, and not the poorest place of europe. its economical volume is greater than whole greece.

and how do you think turks got istanbul from byzantium? was it easy? could undeveloped primitive barbarians do that? surely no, they came with very scientific guns of that time. they had a cannon called "great turkish bombard" which needs 200 men to operate. and after we got istanbul we didn't destroy any religional or cultural thing there. even respected to orthodox people and gave guarantee that they can live their religion as they wish.

at that time ottomans were very rich too, they were always winning the wars so gaining spoils, taking taxes etc.. and after they got istanbul, istanbul got richer too. they opened new science schools, built palaces etc.. they set up an empire from north africa to vienna. don't you think it needs some development, management culture or good economy? they were the super power of their times. of course they were developed, of course they were rich. and istanbul was the most scientific, richest, cleanest city with ottomans too.

but obviously not forever. their development stoped after 17th century. they couldn't keep step with geographic expeditions, industrial revolution, colonialism etc.. they slowed down like every state did in history. actually ottoman empire had to be destroyed much before than it did. that would be better for everybody. it lived too much as a sick state. we turks, greeks or other nations under ottoman rule are mistaken about it. we had to revolt against ottomans much before. it was totally completed its life time and became a tumour to the people of this region later.


yeah you were invented electricty and almost sending a rocket to the moon but we came and ruined everything. ok could be a glorious place much before than turks came to anatolia. when we came, your byzantium was having its last times, very bad economy, heavy taxes from feudal lords. that's why it was easy for turks to collect greek cities. local people didn't complain much about turks. the truth is you were not much developed when we came. you couldn't develop with ottomans either. cause after 17th century ottomans development counted back, made everything they did well to the worse.


true true true. biggest mistake of ottoman empire. as i say they had to be destroyed when they got weak. they used religion as a car brake on development of our region.


don't say before after turkish occupation. say before eu - after eu. without support of eu you would see this value only in your dreams and wouldn't be much different than us. our handicap is being such a lonely nation.


true, you are right about it. and ottomans gave economical privilege to french which also ruined the economy. all importation, no production.


before world war I ottomans had 21 million population. in the war 800 000 soldiers and 4 200 000 civilians dead including armenians. many turks killed by armenians too. turks never did a systemical genocide to armenians as nazis. it was a war with mutual deads. maybe more turks dead than armenians there. but noone remembers this and say turks are cruels. noone cries for us. the countries provocating and giving guns to armenians against turks and rising deads are now angels and only turks are devils?


also tell how many turks forced and killed by greece? be at least a little objective.


you know there was an organization in cyprus called "eoka". which is probably set up by people like you, who don't want to see alive turkish or english around island. they started to kill people in turkish villages and forced turkish minority to out of cyprus with various of tortures. and so turkey didn't watch this as a theatre and answered. we couldn't take support of international arena, and now we are invaders, greeks are innocents. but the fact is turks agreed kofi annan's peace plan and greeks didn't. cause only peace for people like you is non-existence of turks in the island.


killing kurds? turkey is country of kurds and turks. and many other nations inside. we are brother people. if you ask kurds they will be going to say the same thing. already many of them live in istanbul, ankara, izmir. they don't want to leave from turkey. but the problem is pkk terror. kidnapping kids from families and sending them war against turkey. increasing their wealth coming from heroin money they sell to europe. they just want to control this route better for their dirty commerce, they don't want a free kurdistan either. even a great part of kurds hate pkk too. they kill teachers, students, doctors etc in villages. so that people escape and they can control there better. and after this all people say "turkey killed 30 000 kurds". turkey just kills pkk militants. damn pkk is the one killing kurds. you can't guess how much turks and kurds suffered from this. think about families of dead soldiers. and think about how much money turkey spent to stop it. there could be schools, hospitals, universities or many other things done to kurdish provinces with that money. are you that maniac to think we are psychopaths and killing kurds with that money? yes seems you are.

by the way i have nothing against greeks. history is the past. i even support their teams against other countries' or get pleased when they become succesful in international area. cause they are in our region and neighbours. but i just don't like greeks with turkish complex like you. or other people insult or blame my nation unfairly. greeks, serbs and germans could be nationalist people, but it doesn't need to being peasants who hate or insult other nations all the time.

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man it makes really nosense to discuss something with you. you are such blind, have a straight idea and making obstinacy on it like 90 years old seniles.

and can't understand anything, you have a perception problem. i tell you greece before eu and after eu, you tell me comparision of greece, spain, portugal before eu and after eu. totally different things. try to solve how different in your mind. i believe you can.

i tell you turkey don't kill kurds cause they are our own people and i tell you with reasons why it's impossible, you just say "no they kill", why they kill? cause they kill they just kill. really like children. it's like you are the one who live in turkey and i'm from another planet. i'm the one living with kurds here i know all better than you.

ottomans were turks how can you revolt against yourself? ottomans were a family which was ruling the country. and people lived in this country called ottoman civilizens. it doesn't mean all turks are ottomans and all ottomans are turks. yes when did i say that 21 million was all turkish? of course everybody knows they were from various of nations. but there were many turks in that 5 million deads as well as armenians or other nations.

you say englishmen watching, so what? eoka were sadists. against english too as well as they were against turks. it's the truth.

anyways really you are such a useless one. just leave turks alone from your racist words. you can contunie to live in 200 years ago in your own mind, but just in your mind. it's the year 2008 here.

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25% of tourists who come to turkey are germans. so germans like turkey and turks. maybe not german nazis like us but normal kind germans do ;) at least 5.5 millions who visit here every year.


not everyone will tell the same. only the peasant ones who can still hate a nation because of the events happened hundreds years ago. and no, kurds don't hate turks obviously, i don't think any of my kurdish friends hate me or they generally hate turks. about middle east people, you know nothing but talk again. they respect turkey. turkey is being peacemaker between syria and israel right now. georgians hate turks? come on, my mother's father is even georgian, we are close people. they have really no problem with us. their biggest export partners are turkey and azerbaijan.

(people please don't take serious what this greek with turkish complex and german nazi say about turks, they are living in another world or time than where we live :p)

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so you say, if we people who live in turkey were christians then we would be considered as europeans?

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such a silly example. turks were not guests in germany they came there to set up a new life. if you were talking about tourists that could be a valid example maybe, but no, still silly anyway.

and how can you say them go? like, "for years we made you make all the dirty and hard jobs to make our country develop faster, we treated you as second class people and now we don't need you anymore, leave our country". sure sure they would leave.

the fact is germany took the most uneducated, poor and villager turks to make them work like slaves. and now you say you are suffering from them. what did you expect? it's all your fault. now instead of insulting turks and wishing them to leave, germans must try to integrate them to society. if it's hard, it's your problem. but making them to work in heavy jobs was easy wasn't it?

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they went cause they were poor in turkey too. hoped to get a better life in europe. and germany invited them, didn't they? they wanted turks to work for them and go but just choosed wrong people for this, and didn't work. it was obvious that poor ignorant villagers was not able to get used to german lifestyle and won't wish to go back. if they were happy in turkey they wouldn't go to germany. and after working hard for years they wanted to live their life in germany in a more comfortable way, you can't blame them. germany had to calculate its consequences before they invite these people. yes it's sad for me that turkey has lower life quality than germany but it's the truth.


actually germans and greeks wrote more than poles.

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he also put his picture on banknotes, and after he painted his hair to black he seized all old banknotes and published new ones with his brand new black hair. changed name of the months, as january replaced with his name, another month with his mother's name. funny man at all, even funnier is he was the president of a country.

by the way they say we are not real turks, and arabs say we are not real muslims, europeans say we are not real europeans. one day they'll make a human union and i'm afraid they'll say that we are actually not real humans :P

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true. i think we are just trying find a way to benefit from their natural resources. Turkish union, sounds impossible.