UK, Ireland / There's not a lot wrong with Poles in the UK. There's just too many of them. [72]

oxon

Hey Oxon,

First of all, I agree with the fact that immigration is a problem, not only in the UK.

I read your post but I failed to see what point you are trying to make and I think you are looking at the immigration matter the wrong way. I came to the UK to study and get some work experience and obviously learn English and get back to my country (France). I started with a small british company who needed someone with my skills and who speaks french fluently. I've been here for 7 years working and paying taxes. I could got back and have a great job and life in France. BUT here is the thing... and it's like this for many of us immigrants (not all I agree and I will go to that later).

As time passes, we get to meet people, maybe a relationship, make friends, socialise, you get a gym card ...etc
while in the meantime, your friends back home have moved on, got married, had children... so basically you start growing roots here and it as you grow older and build a life here, it's not easy to just live all of that behind and go back to your country or another one for that matter. so, you stay. I think many immigrant feel that way and are not here just to milk your country dry (British tax-efficiency specialists firm and large corporations, banks and the super-rich are doing that through taxe evasion and other profit hiding schemes).

Anyway, some of the things you wrote just doesn't make sense to me. First of all, if your flatmate were noisy it's because they are noisy, not because they are polish. I'm not going to judge your action on cutting the cable, I just hope you'd've done the same if they were english.

secondly, these noisy people came to your country legally. England is a democracy and the people (the poor are the majority) have voted for an opening of the borders, free trade.... So, immigrants are allowed to come to england and BP, BHP Billiton, and other massive uk corporations are allowed to go and exploit the resources, the people, pollute the environment of the countries these immigrant are coming from.

also, the UK is a country where the concept integration doesn't exist. this is a country of communities. No mix. There is no political intention to integrate the immigrants. immigration in the UK is an economical immigration, meaning there are not here to integrate, contribute or add there genes to the kingdom, no.

The immigrants are here to work highly skilled uncool jobs that young british think are uncool, boring, and don't want to study them anymore (thanks to the british pop culture that denigrate the intellect) AND the hard unskilled jobs AND in both case to drop/keep the wages as low as possible so that the riches british upper class people get more. the upper class to which the poor lower class people aspire to (the poor, the majority of the population, do so by voting for parties that promote free-trade, basically labour or conservative)

I am writing about class here, in reality there are only two category of people in a free trade system: exploiter and exploitee

the reason you think their is to many immigrants and that their are basically a problem is because your are a victim of the system. YOU are the exploitee. The exploiters of this country do not agree with you, yet you and the other victim of the system vote just like them... why? because all of you dream that one they you as well will be in a position to exploit other people labour.

So, either you accept the fact that you are an exploiteer, and that you have to work your way up and get rich to become someone who uses the system at his advance (exploiter) or you stop voting for parties that promote free trade. Either way stop blaming the immigrants.


immigrants have as much respect for the uk as the uk corporation have for their countries. There is no such thing in a liberal freemarket system as "respect for local feelings". also, "To be respected you have to be respectable."

UK, Ireland / There's not a lot wrong with Poles in the UK. There's just too many of them. [72]


I just love it how you try to come across as a respectable person by telling us that you destroy your flatmates property and sleep with two women simultaneously. man.. you do what you like but respectable ? gimme a break. So much for the british habits. lol XD

Pawian

hehe, first frenchman on the forum ? I don't know. Thanks for the warm welcome.

ah! Champagne, good choice.

I have no idea how I got on this forum actually :/

Are you Polish ? if so, could you please turn down the volume or your TV set please. I think I can hear it from here, otherwise I'll have to come and cut the cables.

Thank you.

UK, Ireland / Why are Polish people, especially women, so disrespectful toward the English? [437]


it's not my experience in the UK. Also, if you were to work long hours, being underpaid and treated like a slave, after a while it's hard to keep a smile on your face, especially if you have a Phd in econometrics and spend month serving idiots all day who look at you and treat you like a second class citizen.

I'm not polish, but I also know that in some countries, regions, not smiling and not looking in the eyes isn't a sign of disrespect.

the United-Kingdom has been build by british going abroad for financial purposes ONLY. Not to blend in, or integrate into these countries but for Benefits ££££££, in the hopes that one day they'll take their plunder back to oh so great Great-Britain.

UK Corporations are out here exploiting people, resources and destroying the environment and, contrary to the Poles in the UK, not paying the local any taxes. This is exactly the world as the Brits wanted it: FREE MARKET CAPITALISM.

I'm not Polish. But I sick of this lamentable simplification that people only come here to take our job and for profit.... as if the British corporations go out there for other purposes than making money. England is what it is today because YOU english people wanted it that way by voting. Don't go blame the immigrants because you didn't make it in life. The day, that will never happens, you'll open this imaginary business that in in your head, then we'll see who you gonna hire, a pure british girls who want s to be pay a decent wage and benefits OR a slave immigrant worker ready to work for near to nothing you bloody hypocrites.

Who do you think are hiring polish workers, and renting them shops and flats and you moron ? ghosts ? NO. It's english voters like you. So, go talk to them and try to convince them that they don't need immigrants to work for them.

good luck with that.