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Why do you say "you're puzzled" and why do you say that "lithuanians are not"? The only difference here is in who's doing the occupying, and that is not what you see, but what there was in fact, at least at lithuanian viewpoint. No surprise if you're puzzled.

Secondly, you (all posters in here, i mean) talk about "lithuanians who treat the Poles like occupiers" - but it was said by one of non-lithuanian poster as an example of some kind of lithuanian attitude. So what? Any war in the middle ages was an occupation, more or less, and lithuanians, OF COURSE, aware that they were occupiers in the Ruthenian lands. So what? It's you, who deny that :D .

Lithuanians say that the Commonwealth meant that Poland occupied GDL? I can't guarantee that some lithuanians didn't say that, or some don't think so. So what? Don't deal with idiots and you won't hear such or similar nonsenses. I'm not a historian, btw, so i don't and won't argue with you, anyway, i'm a guest here and don't want to litter the discussion ;)

Basically, i'm not quite sure, what "PL-LT diplomatic war" you are talking about ? :) . Is this about that article in PL massmedia? I didn't read it, and there were no any bad articles in LT mass media, at least recently - but i believe you know all that better than me... So, if it's all about the spelling of the FOREIGN names - this problem is not solved yet. So what? It's our problem, not yours, it was expected it will be easy to solve it already several years ago - turned out it's more difficult for us than we expected. You losing your patience? We lost it already many years ago, because it's quite annoying to have such problem - it's not a problem for Poles, it is a problem for lithuanians of the Baltic origin (and of course for lithuanians of Polish origin, and of course for some foreigners) - just you don't need to care about these other aspects, because you'e Poles or live in Poland. You have to care about people of Polish origin and you do that. That's OK. I just make some hints in order to remind you the complete picture, you aware about it, of course, i just try to put my words into a certain context for better understanding, as i'm not sure about my english;)...

So back about wars. All aspects about the "spelling case" are known by polish politicians. Everybody aware about everything and there no quarrels between PL and LT politicians. About "Orlen LT". It's business, and LT government declared many times that it has no intent to cut in into any business. LT government didn't help americans, who owned Mažeikiai Oil previously, it didn't help russians who owned it later, it is not going to help now. It even didn't help lithuanians who owned it before those notorious americans. It don't help LT railway company who has issues with Orlen. Though LT Rails don't have issues with PL Rails :D .

So what, basically, this is about? You, like russians, just want to fight? Come on, we are used to it, just read russian bloggers what they're writting about LT.... you shoud know that because they are writting same or similar things about PL :D We're used to it :) . Do you want to prove that you're just same as those emperic russians? Prove, no problem. I firmly believe, that it won't be a reason to start a war, say, between LT and PL historians. So far, there was no quarrels between them, quite opposite :D . But, if someone prefer to deal with idiots - no problem, we have enough our own idiots in LT, of all origins :D. Poland, i believe, don't have any ;).

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Hi guys, glad you in a good (proper Polish) mood :D

Don't want to argue with you , especially if some of you already have your firm opinion about everything and doubt about everything else.. ;)

Seems to me, i have idea what Ažubalis was talking about, especially because it's neither news nor something special or important.
But first, let me stress, that from the article i understand that "TVP reports that Lithuania's Foreign Minister, Audronius Ažubalis, stated..." - and the article itself is about business, and it is in English, and Ažubalis (i suspect) was talking in lithuanian. So this is not his words, but the information about his words. So if one doubt that it can make any difference - keep on doubting, no problem, if someone knows better - good for him, i'm not that smart (peasant blood and such... you know), i just am in a good mood and share it with you, though you are not supposed to be obliged to accept that ;).

So, basically, those words (in the quote in the article) are rather sensless, don't you agree with me? How "encouraging to study Polish" can be "shortchanging" or something? Don't you think that even such idea should be stupid in essence - and don't you have any suspicion, that there could be some sort of misunderstanding, say, raw translation, biased interpretation, finally bad mood of Ažubalis himself if he, say, did say exactly such words, but even if it was pronounced - what sense of that? I personally don't care, i'm not a politician, but a regular citizen, and i really don't care what Ažubalis did or didn't say. His job is to talk. However, here is something familiar to me. It's a situation when some people, usually in the rural areas, don't speak the state language (it's useful to speak and understand it when one need read some official document, or to write it down, or to deal with the officials who don't know polish or russian - generally it is rather usefull). So, sometimes parents (and sometimes local politicians) insist that learning lithuanian language is needless and encourages a young person to stay with Polish or/and Russian ONLY, because in the area they live in the polish population prevail and thus they don't need to make that extra effort (i.e. to learn some lithuanian). Naturally, Ažubalis stated that that "someone" (eg parents) is robbing him of the possibility to compete on the job market. Or do you disagree? Note, that the journal is "Warsaw BUSINESS journal" and to write all this in that journal makes sense. So, if there was some .. ehhhrr.. say, laziness to care about the proper translation, then we have the situation what we have ;) .

But there also is a bright side of this story: you, guys, have extra reason to blame these bloody litwins - so go on, go on, blame us, bastards, blame :D . Aren't you proper Poles? Can you trust me, a bloody peasant from this shi++y hole? Of course not, there CAN'T be even doubt - you can't trust me - so, just ignore me and keep on blaming my bloody nation of ignorant peasants :D . As "proper Poles" always do :D. Sorry, i warned you: i am in a good mood, so be kind and don't be very angry ;). Just a little bit, as usually... ;)

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Sorry, bracie, i have read all topic - but did you read my post No 80? My people are talking idiotic crap because they are idiots. Don't deal with idiots - and you won't hear any idiotic crap. These others, who are not idiots, also are "my people" :) .

Secondly, why you obsessed with those old fassioned ideas about PL-LT conflicts? Lithuanians are proud about time of Rzecpospolita, unless you dealing exclusively with complete ignorants. It's your choice whom to deal with. And it's you who constatnly insist that lithuanians produce such attitude and such ideas. Why do you think litwins think about polaks as arogantic ones? Because there's no obvious or reasonable reason for such arogance ;) There's no even any reason for quarrels. And thus it seems that you are blaming us for this and that for no reason. So we just start to think that our neighbours are arogantic by nature. That can be ok too. And here is an example: you insist me to read you post No 10, but did you read my post no 80? :D

As for the rights of minorities - this is politics, and i'm not a politician, how can i resolve your problem? To tell you what i see around here na Litwie? But it won't solve any thing in any way :D. Morover - i told about that notorious "spelling case" in my notorious post No 80 :D . And i told that the problem is not solved. So do you see the reason to blame, say, regular citizens like me for this still unsolved problem? How can it help to solve it? It is in process. Nobody say any excuses, neither cheap nor any - it's too late for any excuses and it was too late already 10 years ago, but it is not your problem, it is our problem and disgrace and everybody know that. I assume, Poles know that too? I mean, you "must" know that, because you're interested in this case? So you must know: it's still in process of resolving. So what is wrong with that? You want it to make quicker - everybody want it to be quicker, even our politicians, so it is not a pleasant situation, but why keep on telling the crap which was common in, say, interwar period? By "you" i don't mean polish politicians - your politicians are ok, Polish politics is ok, we are very glad and satisfied with everything Poland does for itself and in general - generally poland is the best neighbour we have and ever had. Other neighbours, even if they are not bad, are not that reliable. It's not 1920 nor 1930. It's you, who constantly insist, that Litwins live in the past, and it's you who put those oldfashioned ideas to our mouths, and it's you who are blaming that litwins don't respect you. You, but not your politicians. I don't care about polish politicians, about Polish politics - i just trust Poland. And everybody na Litwie trust Poland. Even ignorants and idionts, no matter what they say and what they think, in deep they trust Poland too. And it is you who talk crap about our history, along with our lithuanian idiots, who also like to express their ignorance hidden under their overgrown selfishness. Did you read my post No 80 ? :DDD I told there, that i won't argue with you on historic issues - and i won't. Keep on thinking what you want. BTW, our history is simply interesting an full of very diverse details (including everything you have said here) - so i just don't want to spoil this interesting thing :) And, as i said, our historians HAVE NO quarrels. There is no what to quarrel about - it's too interesting to be obsessed with some quarrels or oldfashioned ideas.

So, taking my viewpoint into account, what should i think about you? It seems to me that you want to fight for the false reasons. Or for no reasons. Just, it would be good to kick their asses - and that is enough, why to care about reasons? :D Any reason is good if you want to kick someone's ass - false or proper, doesn't matter ;) .

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Nobody na Litwie are against that. And your information, as it seems now, is false indeed. False in essence, not in some concrete issues. Nobody deny any rights - "the rights of Polish minorities" is sort of a short hint about the whole list of the very different aspects. Nobody urge you to know all aspects and everything about everything. If you are genuinely interested - go on and find out everything by yourself, any person is free to do that.

Why are you so surprised about those 10 years? I thought, once you firmly state ultimate truths about everything related to Lithuania, you should know why those 10 years, what those 10 years and how those 10 years. It's me, who is surprised why you (Poles, i mean) suddenly decided to raise this question today :D. Why not a month ago, why not 3 months ago, why not tomorrow? Simply there is no reason for that.

As for "that" law about spelling - are you pretending, or are you just expressing your arrogance in such way? I assume, you know, that Polish spelling is not a major problem, - a problem is a spelling of the FOREIGN names, and polish names are rather small part of it, and actually they are not so very foreign and not so very different, but they fall under same cathegory of the foreign names. There are more problems with, say, Baltic lithuanian names mixed with the names of some other languages, official names of foreign cities in the official lithuanian documents and how it complies with the constitution. It's not a law. It's a complicated problem. But it's not your problem. However, if you have too much time and don't know what to do with it - ok, do care about it :D

If it was about the spelling of ONLY Polish names - it would be solved within 5 minutes. OK, say, 5 months. And that was expected and promissed. But turned out, it's much deeper shi+ :D. And of course we are very glad to hear how our neigbours help us in this situation :D Thanks, brothers, you are big, i am small :D, now i know my proper place :D . It helps me a lot, everything will be done much quicker :D .

BTW, i'm very impressed with the sources of your information :D . Come to Wilno market place, you will hear what you even never ever dreamed about - how shi++y Litwa is and what a piece of shi+ our Sejm is :D. From lithuanians, not from local polaks :D. Yeah, streets, squares (especially train station and bus station), public toilets (suggestion), internet forums - all are really reliable places to gather information, say, about Lithuania :D. Guys, read russian forums - you will learn more within 10 minutes than you have learned during all life ;) . I actually am fed up with that ;)

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Why do you ask about it? :D . Once you firmly know the right reason - then you know it :D . Not you personally - once you're born Polish and Litwa is involved - you know everything and much better than others :D . And who am i? A reliable litwin - are you sane at all? :D There is no such thing at all, in the nature :D. You simply have no right to trust ANY litwin, simply because you have no such right (maybe by God) :D .

Nobody are against bilingual signs, in essence. It's a law problem which leads to the same "spelling case". It is same and 1 problem, and it is not a problem about minorities, but about ... hell, i don't even know how to name it, it's a broad complex of different aspects, i already mentioned some previously, but be aware, that i am quite indifferent on this, because for me personally it is not interesting. Simply, there was and is so much information about it (na Litwie, i mean), that it is impossible not to know.

BTW, those bilingual signs appeared some 3 years ago, or so. Don't remember exactly when. But i remember another thing, which also should be known for you - for you all, who care so much about our polaks: election :) . The fact is that our Polish "peasants" work, and our Polish politicians (in local elderships) rule :D . Though it's not very funny. Next truth is that money for election comes from Poland (in various ways) . That is OK. Moreover, some of polish schools, infrastructure, etc, are built for the money received from Poland or partially for EU money. That is very good and this is not a waste of money: one can see all that in nearly any larger village around Wilno - good, new and shiny school is polish school, and a crappy small old school is lithuanian school - and lithuanians of course constantly complain (not about poles, but about our government). And there is 1 more thing, mostly at the level of rumours: a part of polish money lands in the pockets of these politicians. But any part of these money don't reach any regular Polak, who live here, with the small exception: regular Polak must vote for this politician :) . Then everything is OK. And it sems, that it is easier to receive money from Poland when there is some issues with the Polish minorities na Litwie. So why, do you think, litwins sometimes dislike local Poles? Not because they get money from Poland, but because they use tricks to create artificial "problems". In case with the bilingual signs the order of the events was like that: first there occure issue with the spelling of Polish names on the documents, it was some 10 years ago, after some time turned out that the problem is deeper, and there was officially explained over TV that (among other) names of the streets fall under same cathegory. Next - bilingual street names occured, right before the election :D .

What can i say, we will have election to local eldeships and municipalities next year in February. Money is needed. Let's start the war, then lituanian Polaks will live as they never did, but don't forget, that regular Polaks only work, and their politicians only rule and don't work ;)

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So what's the problem :)

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Agree and sorry - it was just a bit easier to spell in this way for me, anyway, i didn't learn english and i should learn the language first and only then to sign up here ;) . I mean, there could be more such or similar mistakes in my posts - sorry, ... and you know, my peasant blood and such... :D. What else one could expect from me :D .

I'm bored with this all, so i don't argue about anything, just want to give a link, in case one would like to read some opinion of some lithuanian polish (or polish lithuanian?) person (a text is in polish and i think it doesn't exist in english). The text was written some time ago, so if you have read it already - just ignore it :) .