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Southern, you are really a problematic person. Although your knowledge in different areas are high, you can't make healty analysis. Because you are not open minded. You have some obsessions . One of them is ''Turks''


As you know, from the beginning of creation of humankind, humans fight, make wars each other without stoping. Last example USA in Iraq. If a country fells itself strong begins to attack other countries. Byzantium empire was the same, Roma empire was the same. England and France made wars for 100 years. Ottoman Empire was also very strong in that centuries and conquer a lot of country in Europe.

Why you think when Turks conquer your country, it is vandalism ? When Byzantium empire did the same it is not?


This is also same for all conquerers. Indians in USA will laugh you when they remember and compare what they live when the modern European man come to America.


Don't be so sure. There are also analytical thinking people in Europe.

Also, I can't tell I hate Americans, Greeks, Germans, Arabics etc. How can you hate Turks. This is pathetic. One case study : İf Southern is ill and only a Turkish doctor will have to take care of him. What happens ? My answer : Southern rejects Turkish doctor. Because he hates Turks.

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Yes, if Europe is a ''Christain Club'' we will never be in it. Because this means Europe is still managed by religion. In that age it is really funny. And Europe has no future with this point of view.

In Turkey, some of the people trying the same thing. Make Turkey radical islamic. But you see they can't manage. Because in Turkey islamic approach is ; religion is meaningful between one person and God not between two person. But unfortunately Europeans like bratwurst boy is like radical islamics.

The problem is Europeans thinks Turks thinks like themselves about religion but it is wrong. There is a great difference between the Otooman Empire and Turkish Republic. İf you always look 300 years ago you can't see today.

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EU is not everything for Turkey. But it will benefit to Turkey and Europe both.

From your words, it is very clear that Turks in Turkey and Turks in Europe are not the same. Turks begin to migrate to Europe in 1965. All the migrants were peasants and uneducated. Never see a city other than military obligation for men. Their economic activity was agriculture and raising livestock. In Turkey's GNP agriculture was one the first items in that years.

Almost 45 years past. Turkey and Turkish people changed a lot. High percentage of people are living in big cities, uneducated people are very few. GNP services and industry are ahead, agriculture lower. Dynamic, young population interested about world. High potantial.

How can Turkish people in Europe can not change in 45 years. I don't think it is the fault of Turkish people living in Europe. It is obviously the fault of European Governments for years. They did not think them their people. They seperate them from own people. Then reaction occured in the Turks.

Bradwurst boy says young Turks try to kill an old German who warned them not to smke in the bus. In Turkey if a young man sits in a bus and an old man stands, young man stands up and gives his place to old man. This is a Turkish tradition.

How can a young Turkish man do such a thing in Germany ?

Germans are really guilty. Because they couldn't manage to adopt Turkish people to their community.

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In Turkey, Turks don't behave like this. How Turks chanced so badly has to be investigated. Congratulations Germany. İf you not exagerating, we can't admit this people to Turkey. Because we can't live with them. You say they are Turkish but they don't behave according to Turkish habits.

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As a result, Turks in Germany are not like Turks in Turkey and are not like Germans in Germany.

SO THEY CAN BE A BRİDGE BETWEEN GERMANY AND TURKEY.

(This means they have to stay where they are now until look like someone)

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I will conquer your country, kill you, take your everything but I will spread civilization ok? İt is really very funny.
Like USA say she brings democracy, civilization to Iraq. Iraq nation is very happy that USA brought its civilization and know how to Iraq. Iraq can make her own space program in 20 years :))))

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You don't understand what I say. Saints Cryllius and Methodius are important personalities. But can you say because of them Byzantium Empire did nothing bad to the nations of the countries which she conquered ?

This is the point.

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You have to read my mail # 372. You will understand the issue.

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Southern,
How many Goths Byzantine Empire killed in Arcadius and 1. Leon times ?
Thousands of Goths were living in Anatolia in that times and because of a Byzantine way of genocide they all killed.

In which way modern Byzantine nation killed their emperor Andronikos Komnenos in Hipodrome? Very barbarous''.

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What about Goths Genocide ?

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It is the same for Armenians in 1915 in Ottoman Empire.
But our enemies are trying to call it genocide which is not.

History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]

I believe the topic can also include ''What's your vote for the EU membership of Turkey ? and why?

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Türkiye'deyim.

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Marek, almost nothing wrong in your Turkish in the first sentence. Only it will be ''PF forum'a''. Congratulations !

Turkish language is relatives of Finnish and Hungarian in Europe. As these 3 nations and Bulgars live together in ancient times in the area of Chuvash and Tatar together.

For example :

As far as I know Mikan means Mika's in Finnish
In Turkish Mikanın means Mika's.

Menawhile what's your vote end why?

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First results :

Yes : 1
No : 3

I don't think that we are Asian rather than European. We are Turks.
I don't feel an Arab, Iranian, Indian or Chinese more closer to me than an European.
Yes, I feel closer to Azerbaycan, Turkmenistan, Khazakistan, Uzbekistan, Kırgızistan, Tataristan, Bashkurdistan, Chuvashistan, Uyghurs in China which are all Turkic nations. And they are also different from other Asians like us.

Turkey never begs to Europe. There can be mutual benefits if Turkey enters Europe. But I believe, if it is not realized Turks Union which is 160.000.000 population will be ok. for us. Than Europe can think of her fault.

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Who says we don't.
We only give one chance to old Europe.
It is in our gens to go always to the West. In the history, Avars, Huns, Ottomans are all Turks.
But this time we want to reach to our goal with peace of course.
Sorry but I am not sure if we will give up even if we manage Turk Union.

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To compare Turkey with Arab countries is sth. like comparing any European country with Vatikan.

To prevent misunderstanding, I don't mean Arab countries are holy for Turks, but like in Vatikan, in Arabic countires religious laws applied into daily life. In Turkey although % 99 of the nation is muslim, there is not any islamic law for daily life. Turkey is secular and religion is between people and God.

History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]

Correction :

Çuvaşistan is in Turkish. But in English it is Chuvash Republic.

History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]

First you have to read about Turkic Languages below ;

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages

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What's your solution morella ? You say we are Asian. So where do you think Turkey has to take part ? With Arabs ? or be alone ? What do you think about the future of Turkey ? If you are capable of thinking.

All the people loves his/her country. Southern loves Greece, Bratwust boy Germany, Polish people Poland. Does it mean exaggerated nationalism. A polish likes slavic nations I think. Or a German Austria.

We have to think our countries future. Turkic republics are close to us.
I also also add Russia and Iran to this union. What will you think now ?
Your answer will be I am Assian I guess.

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Morella, you are really saying nothing. Behaving like this you can win the Noble Prize like Orhan Pamuk who is nothing in Turkey.

Meanwhile, what's your education my poor man ?

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I have been writing for this topic for almost one month. My first post was # 189. I have sent a lot of posts reflecting my opinions. Your first post # 413 was the one above which is about your curiosity where I am which nobody interests writing for this topic which could only be written by ignorant people. This is your level. Then you began to attack to me without any contribution to the topic which is very personal. Although I don't want to argue with you I forced to answer your posts.

You are a provacator and we have got a lot of people like you in our country. I will not announce which party I vote for to you which is not about this topic. You know ''curiousity kills the cat'' pay attention to your health.

Everyone has his/her own opinions and explain them freely.

You are not so important for me to target and write about. I want to write about the topic for other participants.

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In Turkey educated people don't curse like that.
My question will be for all the participants.
Do you want me to leave ?

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We like Hungarians too.

In Ottoman times, Finns were Turks are our relatives. Because we were strong. Now, they say threr is not any relation with Turks, we are Viking ! :)

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Any questions for Turkey, Turkish people ?

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It is true. I also mentioned this before in the PF.


I believe there are fanatics for every religion. Turkey is a secular country. People is muslim but there is not any law islamic reference. Nobody can be forced to obey the rules of islam. Go to mosque, to fast, wear head scarf etc. Everybody is free.

Global powers are working to make Turkey more islamic nowadays. Because it will be easy for them to reach their aims. Soros will be very happy if they win. It is not different than Ukraine, Georgia, Yugoslavia. Liberals are supporting islamics. They support current government which has islamic tendency. Majority of the nation is aware of this trick and try to prevent it. Turks can't be like Iranians and Saudi Arabians.

As a result the threat is coming from the west.

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Why ? Do you believe to another God ? There's one as far as I know !

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Do you guarantee heaven if I become christain :) LOL!
It is belief ! We all will face the reality when we die !
If believe God is with good people whether they are muslim or christain etc.


Mosques are God's houses like Churches. We surprise christain chauvinism. In Turkey, pork and alcohol is free. I don't eat pork but I like rakı and wine. In Turkey women voting and election rights are given before many of European countries. Woman and man are equal by means of law. What do you mean by women rights ?

Unfortunately you have no idea about Turkey and confuse her with other islamic countries. I will repeat again ''Turkey is secular''. Have you ever visited Turkey ?


There are a lot of church and priests in Turkey. Even more than the Christain public would need. We respect them all. Population of Turkey is 70.000.000 and number of christains are 100.000. I will learn the exact number of churches and post later.

Recently, there had been rare occasions like you have said by fanatics. We don't approve them. Most of the Turks wanted them to be punished.

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The number of active churches in Turkey is 321 at the end of 2006. This number was 273 in 2005. So, 48 new churches were opened to public in one year. The population of christains are approxiametely 100.000. This means 312 person per church. How many active churches are there in any city has a population of 100.000 in Europe. The interesting part of it, although there are only 5.000 protestan in Turkey they have 50 churches and it is increasing day by day.


It is sth impossible. But, I admire Ahmadinejad and Chavez. I believe the president of every independent country has to behave like them.

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BB, these are all prejudiced comments from christain media !
Tell what people wants to hear. It is not important whether it is true or not.
I am trying to give some information, but your opinions are fixed !
You believe what you want to believe. Because you hate all muslims.