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You mean the Throne of Deliberation.


Me too. Too many unknowns right now for a declaration of victory.

It seems Israel had well placed intel assets in Iran, so the location of these strikes may be dead on.

The only ones who know for sure the damage done are the Iranians on site.

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Dammit, Iron! You had an opening for a clever putdown and you screwed it up. You started off with some promise then you went banal.

You've got such promise, Iron, such promise. A little better work effort and you could make it to the Majors.

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And to build onto Torq's already excellent trwtise on women. Paul says "husbands love your wives". Now, the theological understanding of love is not the same as you'll find in soap operas, but is a total self-giving to another solely for the sake of the good of the other. So, Paul is actually saying to men: give yourselves completely to your women not for your sake but for the good of women.

In other words, men are to be at the service of women for the good of women.

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That should have read: ...some funny stuff...

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Women love me...as do children. I'm pretty much a very great guy. And, you should see me Paulina, I mean, whoa, I'm scorching hot.

But, I agree with Torq, you got balls (in a good, not anatomical, way). 😀

Now, where's my beer? Seriously, would you please get me one, it's freaking hot right now in Middle America, and I'm a bit parched.

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@Torq

Now that's some stuff right there.

But, fellas, it's not the weight of the brain that matters but the efficiency if its circuitry. Think about the comparison of a 2 ton mainframe computer from back in the day to a lightweight idiotphone that fits in your pocket, which is more powerful? Hence, the white American brain coming in so light. It's nimble, not clunky. Quick, not sluggish. Trim, not obese.

The French, Nips, AfAms, and Ozzies are light because they are indeed inferior. Like a bunch of underdeveloped pygmies...no offense to pygmies.

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The best place while sitting down to formulate conjectures, notions, concepts. It's a Throne of Deliberation.

Maybe they fear something below is going to blow and proves your shock absorber theory.


@Paulina

Get me a beer! Make it snappy.

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That's why this victory lap is premature. Only time will tell how successful this mission was.

Satellite showed a lengthy line of cargo trucks outside the Fordow site just last week.

I'd think the regime would have to go into deep hiding, then. Their heads will not be attached to their bodies for much longer if they did something like that. The response from US or Israel would be horrible and devastating.

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@Bobko

Yes, it can be destructive-not only to others but America as well, see Iraq.

But mostly the things you highlight are not much different than other countries...to varying degrees.

I'd disagree about America doing anything to protect its boys. I've been around a lot of soldiers and marines who were in Iraq or Afghanistan. Most of them griped about the engagement rules and restrictions put on them to prevent collateral damage or death of innocent civilians. Some of what they described was insane and completely the opposite of doing everything to protect the American soldier or marine.

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@Bobko

Interesting enough, I too don't want us the bomb whoever we want whenever we want...remember I'm an American Catholic (notice I didn't say a Carholic American). I'm not certain bombing the Iranian nuke sights were the right thing to do i'm still thinking it through.

Where we disagree is the bully thing. I don't think we act as a bully, we act like all other countries: to further our interests. The difference is our economic and military power projects more boldly which may give off the patina of bullying.

I'll go even further and say that more times than not our projection has a residual effect that benefits others-obviously not all benefit, but most do.

But then again, maybe I'm blinded by the glare of Old Faithful and am more naive than your cold war style wishes.

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.@Barney
Oh, the he I was speaking about is Putin.

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@Barney
Help me out, I'm not sure what you mean.


Pre tel, this naive and romantic vision. I am 99.8% sure I'll dislike/disagree with it, but 100% sure I'll enjoy your rhapsodic prose and romantic idealism

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Apparently we sent a decoy tandem westward out into the Pacific. So, I'm not so sure this report of telegraphing is trustworthy.

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OK. I'll just worry a little bit.

You'd have to think that Putin and his close advisors would know that doing such would threaten the incremental but steady gains in Ukraine.

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@betamorons

And just because someone agrees with a bullying world moron doesn't one is a beta moron. One may think the bullying world moron has a valid and cogent reason for doing what he does, even though he may be a bullying world moron.

Plus, there is the possibility, if not significant probability, that the non-beta moron is misinterpreting or misconstruing the bully world moron as actually being a bully and a moron. The moron may actually be the non-beta moron.

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@betamorons

That's right, Poland beat back to Nazi aggressors then kicked the Russian bear in the nuts in '39.

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How do you know this stuff? What circles do you mix with in Manhattan?

nypost.com/2025/06/22/world-news/kremlin-warns-that-other-nations-ready-to-give-iran-nukes-dangerous-escalation-has-begun/

"Moscow warned Sunday that several nations are prepared to supply Tehran with nuclear weapons. "

Hmmm...this could be exactly what Ukraine has been waiting for. If Moscow arms Tehran with nukes, what will America slide to the Ukes?

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Very good point. I'm mot sure it's unprecedented, but very good point nonetheless.

It concerns me to a degree. I think you may be giving them more weight than they actually have. Certainly Wolfowitz and Perle had out-sized influence during the Dubja Bush years. I think those types have less sway nowadays-Neocons are more the red-headed stepchild.

Of course, you'll bring up Jared. To which I'll respond you need to mind your own damn business. 😀

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IMO, this is more important to America than Israel-not saying Israel isn't important to America, just less important.

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@Bobko

Of course they were beneficial to Israel. But, Israel gave up the land it did not because it wanted to, but because America pushed it . The point is America isn't Israel's groveling lap dog. It is the principal party in the relationship. That doesn't mean America may not sometimes do Israel's bidding, but it doesn't do it simply for the sake of Israel. America usually does it because it sees benefit for itself.

In other words, American interest drives its policy, which is to say it is no different than most developed countries: it does things primarily for its benefit.


Interesting point. For most of my adult life, I thought he was American born.

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Well, not just my mind, but the general collective mind.

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Hard to say when last time was as none of us are privy to such information. But, America has a history of forging Israeli policy-not the other way around-think Oslo, Camp David Accords, as examples. It was Israel conceding to American pressure.


Well put and something to keep in my mind.

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Personally, I think that is a load of excrement, but maybe you are right. Makes no sense, but what is sensible isn't always correct. Even though I think it is incorrect.


I don't care that Israel doesn't care. I do care that Trump cares, and you are wrong about the non-sensical America will do anything Israel wants.

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@Novichok

Not the point I'm making. My point is we can't be over confident and think with certitude that Iranians will now overthrow the regime or the regime will be weakened domestically. These type of events have a way of rallying populations around its leaders. We need to be hyper-vigilant to ensure this doesn't become more than the intended goal of damaging Iran's nuclear capacity.

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I think Iran is a little more complex a society than that, Beebs.

This could be a genuine coalescence of negative sentiment toward the US.

This could go either way. And, if it does go with the overthrow of the mullah regime, who takes its place? It could become some kind of military junta.

I don't think this is over. We just entered a different phase, IMHO.


Nice!

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I swear , you are the Russian Norm MacDonald. 😀

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I would? I didn't know that.

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@Bratwurst Boy

I don't think this is over. Even if there aren't strikes on US military installations , shadow attacks by proxies inside and out if the US will be planned. Cyber attacks. Etc.

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@Bratwurst Boy

That's the hope, but if Iran is able to coordinate an attack on US assets America will have to respond. Question is how and with what goal?

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That and what happens if Iran is able to strike American targets in ME. Americans aren't keen on being in hot war.


😀


Hopefully, this was simply about destroying Iran's nuclear capacity and not another chapter in the Paul Wolfowitz-inspired journey into nation building.


If the hardliners inside Iran maintain power, it doesn't. Questions are does this make the hardliners more vulnerable and if the regime is toppled who takes over or does it splinter into different faction possibly causing more instability ?


I got my sights on you, Iron. Somethin's gonna happen within two weeks. 😬