History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]


It hadn't escaped my notice :)

Do you think the very different history of our countries may make a difference in the decisions made. I know it absolutely shouldn't but sometimes these things influence decisions. Has Duda made any attempt to explain why he is opposed to the ICC or is he ideologically driven and can thus ignore Poland's obligation?


Partly right.
All Irish believe they are compatriots but they (DUP) don't tend to see themselves as compatriots, a recent development. But that is about Irish politics.

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

@pawian
I'm not really an influencer but I tend to think of PiS as similar to a fundamentalist populist party we have here, the DUP.

It's interesting that my friends in Poland dislike PiS and they are quite conservative but not blinkered while a Polish woman here is a vocal supporter of Duda and his party. Its strange talking to her as she reminds me of people I knew in Spain who still mourned Franco. They both used similar language describing themselves as traditionalist rather than conservative or of the right.

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]


That explains a lot, thanks for the clarification.

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@Bratwurst Boy
Grasping at straws a bit there. If Poland and Germany thought either organisation wasnt fit for purpose they would leave them.

The reason for not enforcing ICC decisions is that Poland and Germany see criminals through a political lens just like the DDR and the PRL did.

News / Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism [333]

@PolAmKrakow
You are seriously deluded if you think repeating the same mantra US imperialists repeat after every defeat is a good argument.

Panama was created by the US in order to steal the land used to build the canal its a textbook example of imperialism. The problem is that your argument (genocide and all) justifies some planes hitting buildings ie might is right and all the whinging US people do wont change that.

News / Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism [333]


Tundra means treeless...

Pointless arguing over how easy it would be, or otherwise, for the US empire to occupy other countries.

The real question is who benefits...clue it wont be the people of Greenland or the average burger munching joe in the US and A.

The US will expand its empire when it wants, screwing over non billionaires which is most people.

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@Alien
That is disgraceful, Poland is a member of the ICC and clearly sees a hierarchy of criminals.

News / Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism [333]


Your next regent trolled your country and revealed its imperial nature, indeed the biggest hammer wins...doesn't stop you lot whinging on every forum.


Not really, you are told it needs the US but the US is the most unreliable "friend" anyone could have.

News / Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism [333]


The US is built on invading, like Maf says about Russians, US citizens don't understand civilised behaviour.

News / Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism [333]


What has that got to do with anything, Greenland/Denmark can trade with anyone it wishes just like Ukraine. The imperial US should Fcuk off back to pickup truck land and put a few fires out.

@Ironside
Poland can gain national pride standing for the values it proclaims. You dont like the EU and wish Poland to make its own way...grand...so I dont understand why you are happy for Poland to brown nose the US in NATO.

@cms neuf
The US created its own Donbas first just like they do everywhere they go

News / Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism [333]

@Ironside
Why not?

If NATO is a collection of countries upholding some form of agreed order then Poland should tell the Americans to back off. If not then all the lovely words about international standards mean nothing. Of course you know as well as I do that there is no rules based order its a fiction wheeled out for a compliment media.

News / Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism [333]

@PolAmKrakow
Greenland has the right to have an independence vote any time it wants but has chosen not to. in the meantime it is still part of Denmark. Denmark is a NATO country threatened by the USA. Fact is the USA is a global bully for its **** corporations and oligarchs. No one believes in this so called rules based order except for NATO countries brown nosing the USA.

News / Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism [333]

@johnny reb
The US can do what it wants, it can deploy its military to countries that want them or dont.

Again, its not the business of the US to dictate sovereignty despite its history of ignoring it.

The pretend freedom loving people in the USA all support this nut job just as they supported the previous nut job while lying to each other about freedom and a rules based order.

If European countries like Poland France Denmark etc believed in a rules based order they would cut the US loose. They dont and wont leaving one to conclude that NATO is like Hotel California.

News / Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism [333]


What right does some fat American have to dictate to any other country?

I dont care who they appoint in their ethnically cleansed paradise. I just want them to stop sticking their noses in other peoples business.

Trumps disrespect for EU borders is nothing new, the US and its NATO lapdogs have never respected international agreements.

News / Will Poland as a NATO member be drawn into the Israel/Iran war ? [250]


The objection is not about Israel defending its self, the objection is to what Israel is doing and has been doing for decades. Indiscriminately bombing civilians in Gaza who all happen to have command and control centers under their tents may not be a good look but the crux is the social media posts the IDF post and the utterances of Israeli government ministers.

The IDF have filmed themselves demolishing as many civic buildings as thy can. That is schools, medical facilities, all government buildings including police stations public parks, water and electrical infrastructure and industrial sites. The IDF have posted videos of them destroying any remaining Palestinian homes they find and blowing up ambulances.

None of that is self defence. Its a planned extermination of Palestinian culture and the means of supporting life with the intention of forcing people to flee.

That is genocide.

The current events in Syria, though triggered by the Palestinian war, have nothing to do with the genocide being carried out by Israel. Valid and verifiable criticism of Israel cannot be negated by claiming immunity because others are as bad or worse than Israel however if you are happy to include Israel in the same category as Assad's Syria Or China be my guest.

The Palestinian population of Israel had no choice other than be included in Israel where they have been subjected to second class citizenship. The Palestinian population under occupation are treated to a version of apartheid as evidenced by the dual legal system Israel runs. One for Jews another for everyone else.

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]


They are not doing that, they are carrying out a genocide.

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]


Some immature people do that but with regard to Israel and the IDF the Nazi or Fascist label is not a million miles from the truth.

When you have two sets of laws applied to two peoples depending on their perceived ethnicity you are someway along the fascist Road. The ethnic cleansing including, but not limited to the forcible movement of people and the cultural appropriation of their society by colonists takes you a little further down that road. The callous treatment of an occupied people by the illegal colonists who have the dual role of stealing and killing plus upholding the law.

Of course everyone knows this but ignores the blatant criminality of Israel because they are a US puppet.

Its not hyperbole to describe Israel as an expansionist apartheid state much like their former best friends in Apartheid South Africa.

Off-Topic / 75 Years of Israel and the War - part 3 [553]

@Bratwurst Boy
We all have access to news sites. Ignoring the inconvenient is a personal choice.

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@Bratwurst Boy
Nope, Bibi has had many opportunities to have all those held by HAMAS freed but turned them all down by unilaterally changing the agreed position after the fact. Thats why the families of the hostages are livid at him. Yesterday was another example of him using them for political/PR purposes.

@Lazarus
Perhaps you could read the thread for the condemnation already given rather than fetishising it. While doing that you could also write to the Irish government with all your corrections I'm sure they would appreciate it.

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Yesterday afternoon Reuters broke a story that Netenyahu was on his way to Cairo to seal a ceasefire deal on Gaza. So the media was all hyped up as were the hostage families. Netenyahu was due in court today but was given the day off to attend to imperative National security business. So everyone thought that was the signal. Then it emerges around 6.00 PM that Netenyahu is actually in Syria on Mount Hebron celebrating the Israel invasion of Syria and declaring in Hebrew that Israel was staying indefinitely in the areas they have just occupied unless Israeli security conditions were satisfied which were of course unspecified. This is despite repeated statements in English by both Netenyahu and Sarr the foreign minister that the IDF incursion into Syria was just a temporary measure and that Israel does not want conflict with Syria.

The Israeli hostage families have been used for personal theater by the corrupt, wanted war criminal. There are no lies this man and his regime wont repeat or create and the blind swallow them. The statement that Ireland is antisemitic is so clearly a lie only the stupid or credulous believe it. Irelands position is that Israel has the right to exist, it has the right to defend itself, all hostages should be released and a two state solution should be implemented. There is nothing controversal in Irelands position until Ireland states that it wants to uphold international law, somehow Israel finds this antisemitic.

Israel withdraws its ambassador from Ireland but keeps its ambassador in South Africa, Spain and Norway. The breathtaking hypocrisy of these lying murdering people is monumental.

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@Lazarus
No

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@Lazarus
It certainly does as pointed out several posts before this.

I still don't know what point you are trying to make?


Irish people are very proud of their non alignment but it doesn't mean the country is neutral in international relations. We are happy to take our place among the nations of the world and have an arrangement with our aggressive neighbour on reunifying the country. During Brexit one of the British ministers threatened to starve Ireland unless we did as they wanted which was deeply insulting akin to the Germans threatening to gas Israelis if they didn't do as they were told. Thankfully the new Government in Britain appears to be making the right noises now and the insult has been put to bed.

With regard to Israel and antisemitism, Israeli governments historically saw Ireland as a role model. Michael Collins and Robert Briscoe were heroes to Ben Gurion. There is a national park named after an Irish president, the current Israeli president is of Irish heritage. His father was Irish and also president of Israel. Despite the very small numbers Jewish people in Ireland have had a huge representation in government here.

None of that stops Ireland upholding International law and calling out wrong doing. I have still to see a single example of state sponsored antisemitism here.

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@Lazarus
Again, what is your point. Do you think there is state sponsored antisemitism in Ireland? If so please provide evidence. Ireland is simply upholding international law which rattles apologists for genocide.

Off-Topic / 75 Years of Israel and the War - part 3 [553]

@Lazarus
Hamas is designated a terrorist organisation By the EU and is accepted by all EU member states.

//oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-10-17/90/

Hamas is listed by the European Union as a terrorist organisation, unanimously agreed by all Member States.

Is that clear enough for you?

@Bratwurst Boy
It seems that Israel objects to Ireland opposing genocide, There are no other facts, Israel threw a hissy fit that only harms Israeli citizens in Ireland.

There is no state sponsored antisemitism in Ireland.

Off-Topic / 75 Years of Israel and the War - part 3 [553]

@Bratwurst Boy
You have not provided a single example of state sponsored hate in Ireland simply because none exist. You got to have facts if you are going to make such claims.

There is no hard left in Ireland, there has just been a general election and no far right or far left representatives were returned. Despite what some random blogger says.

Fact is Israel has relations with lots of countries that are not in the 45 or so places that have adopted the controversial definition. Ireland happens to be a member of that organisation but hasn't adopted the flawed definition. Ireland is singled out when Norway isnt. That is an example of Israeli double standards.

@Lazarus
What is your point, HAMAS are bad? No argument here or from the Irish government

Off-Topic / 75 Years of Israel and the War - part 3 [553]

I asked for examples of state sponsored hate because that was your accusation. Any chance of providing any?

Off-Topic / 75 Years of Israel and the War - part 3 [553]


I supplied Israeli figures demonstrating that Ireland has fewer incidents than much of Europe and you provided a fact free explanation for the figures.

Can you give examples of this supposed state sponsored hate?

"Take that Ireland!" announced also-under-investigation-for-monumental-fraud Netanyahu, reasoning that by restricting the access of Israeli citizens in Ireland to supports from the Israeli state, Irish people will really feel like they've been punished.

//waterfordwhispersnews.com/2024/12/12/man-greets-suitable-for-8-people-label-on-food-like-a-challenge/

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Zionist war criminals close their embassy in Ireland

If Ireland is so antisemitic as the indicted and wanted war criminals in Tel Aviv claim why did they abandon the Jewish population in Ireland.

It appears that standing for an international rules based system, opposing genocide opposing using starvation as a weapon of war, opposing forcible transfer of people is now antisemitic.

I'm not normally proud to be Irish, at best I'm content with something I had no choice in, however today I am immensely proud to be Irish.