History / Enemies, Strangers, Friends. Poles and Germans. [82]


Not really if you think of "shoving Jews into gas chambers" as a good christian deed, after all Jews are non-Christians and actually guilty of the murder of Jesus!

It's all a matter of how to sell it, I fear! Anti-Semitism has been part of christian lives for centuries now.

I could think that a truly pagan Germany wouldn't had done that....not really interested in the christian-jewish bickering....suspicious, the both of them! ;)

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....if those doctors would come at least.....


That Iron Dome from Israel would do it, wouldn't it! But not before 2025.....

(IRON Dome....Iron, heh:)

History / Enemies, Strangers, Friends. Poles and Germans. [82]

Industries look for cheap labour to raise their profits....in that case having a neighbour with cheaper labour costs is a rival for every high labour cost country....industries and jobs moving....

Something Poland will learn too in the case of Ukraine, should it become a member of the EU and open it's borders for people and goods!

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.....I guess that is Iron's problem here....two years back Poland and Germany DID have quite opposed policies concerning Russia's Putin...our "Wandel durch Handel" still full in swing, Nordstream being build...

Tac....it will take us YEARS to live that down, we have to accept that!

Interesting article about that cruel awakening:

welt.de/wirtschaft/plus237781839/Wandel-durch-Handel-Wie-Deutschland-der-epochale-Irrtum-trifft.html

Hopefully we learn the right lessons from that and don't repeat them anylonger with China....

History / Enemies, Strangers, Friends. Poles and Germans. [82]

*nods*

And this time living in the border region would become an advantage....who knows, the whole border region would profit and flourish!

History / Enemies, Strangers, Friends. Poles and Germans. [82]

....ask them again about our "Fachkräftemangel" and you could be surprised! ;)

History / Enemies, Strangers, Friends. Poles and Germans. [82]

@Lyzko

May I ask how many german aquaintances you have?

Because right now skilled craftsmen are hard to come by....especially cheap ones.....polish craftsmen would be very welcomed! And they could demand what they want!

(After all the german gov even wants to import them from far away places)


That's what I'm saying.....so.....our current relationship is heavenly....something our ancestors couldn't even dream of....we should never forget that! :)

History / Enemies, Strangers, Friends. Poles and Germans. [82]


What exactly do they say?


Actually it is....if you compare that with our past a greater commonality we never had!

History / Enemies, Strangers, Friends. Poles and Germans. [82]

...what a price to pay!!!! But a real good apology for losing, heh:)

History / Enemies, Strangers, Friends. Poles and Germans. [82]

....and it's hard to cling to the belief we are better than the rest when our Mannschaft plays like this! :)

History / Enemies, Strangers, Friends. Poles and Germans. [82]


*nods*

But differently than Gruni seems to think it has from the german side nothing to do with a dislike of "Slavs"....nobody here (that I know of) thinks in racial dimensions at all...

I mean, Russians are also Slavs, right? And that german interest in them would make no sense if we are anti-Slavs generally...

History / Enemies, Strangers, Friends. Poles and Germans. [82]


Thing is these "tourists" are poor people who try to save a few Euros with bying things cheaper over the border than at home. They are and never will be your typical tourists, to busy with surving than interested in sight seeing. You can't blame them.

And it truly seems as if our countries are more interested in the "next" neighbour than the direct neighbour, in Polands case it's France and in Germany's case its Russia.

But hey, see it positive....neighbours don't have to be best friends, they rarely are...generally to much bad historical blood....not being enemies is alot. And in the case of Poland and Germany we must'n forget that we are together members of a huge enoconomical union and also of a huge military alliance....better it never has been between us in our both history....so....heads up! :)

History / Enemies, Strangers, Friends. Poles and Germans. [82]

And? Your judgement? Thumbs up or thumbs down?

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]

....still....scary!

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]

....I did put "your country" into quotation marks with purpose. Your answer really sounds like as when you see the US as your Heimat, I would answer that should the KGB come asking! ;)

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]


Would you?

Serious question.....if the KGB would contact you to help him....abit....nothing to difficult....just some posting here....a report back there.....stuff like that....to help "your country" to win this war....would you?

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]


True dat.....Hitler was also hell for innocent Germans the world over!

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]


Na ja.....weren't they forcibly removed from their original settlements for being Germans by the Soviets....despite living in Russia for 300+ years?

I could imagin alot of bonds with the new Heimat had been destroyed during that time....

News / Poland is the new military power of Europe. [275]


Keep to your own people...We are Europeans ffs! (Even in the US, heh:)


That's why a bigger voice of socially conservative countries like Poland is so important....but that you only get when you give more...you can not only demand. That's why either more money, or more participation and yes more military for all leads to that bigger voice, that much bigger influence. Easy!

The new asylum compromise yesterday was an example how much more conservative govs can achieve together in Brussels!

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Berlin and Moscow?

....nice to have you back, Iron! :)

I doubt Berlin will side with China in the future conflict....Moscow?


Well....the EU at last seems to make progress in that regard with that new and quite change laws for asylum yesterday....the mood has changed greatly here.

....wrong thread I know....

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....the enemy should cry hearing it....not laughing.....

*runs*

News / Poland is the new military power of Europe. [275]


....that shows how quickly and drastically a used-to political situation can and will change....

And nobody can ignore the future conflict with China on the horizon....we might have still a few years left to prepare, but not many!

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Of course it would....a polish weapon system shared in the whole of Europe....it's soldiers all training on it together, working on in bases shared across the continent....what's not to like? :)


Should I rather had said "limits"? I don't mean so much country borders but borders between independent and union....between your "own" army and a common army!

For along while you won't really know where one stops and the other begins....especially in mainland Europe, with so many small and middle sized countries/armies side by side....

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Of course I do....what is that for a question?

I don't support a gazillion expensive armies side by side....between allies....you see how powerful NATO is...without it we would be all little Ukraines....okay, some with nukes but most not....rife for the picking....do you want that for Poland?

....and don't let me get started with the costs.....all independent and out alone - countries would have to pay for it also all alone.....some richer countries could and surely stem it, many poorer ones could not, or they would have to save it with the negligence of other important things....medical....school....you name it.

But in consequence that would mean that richer countries would be more independent, meaning safer, than not so rich countries.....fair?

ESPECIALLY for smaller, not so stinking rich countries sharing costs and duties, a common army, would make so much sense...how you can be against it is beyond me!

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NATO was a great start....but for this future Europe will need to chip in alot more!

The US will soon be alot less euro-centric than it is now, and with it NATO.

We will have to fill that space....NATO will help building that european replacement, with Europeans for Europe. They will support each other.

It may sound funny for you, but to keep our independence we will need to work alot closer with each other....the borders will be fluid.


Then what are we discussing here since a few days????

I was saying from the start that a militarily strong Poland would help the whole of Europe....I very much doubt that, as Milo said, that Poland will not use it for the defence of Europe and rather sit on the sidelines and watch, should our Europe be truly threatened.

A strong polish military will be a strong european military....as will every other european-country military....it makes sense to share the costs and duties, right?

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You could insert any european country name in this sentence.....the future global world won't care. The age of Europe nears its end....no european country alone will stay powerful and independent anymore.

The future world will be ruled by blocs....we, the West, Europe with the US, will have to build a strong bloc to stay competetive....something no lone country can achieve on itself anylonger....these are the facts we have to face...thats not a political ideology or a wishful thinking or a try to recreate a Reich!

Every european country alone for itself will fall back and behind in the bin of history....without influence, power and hence without true indepence! *shrugs* I don't make these facts, nor do I build this future, German or not! Everybody with eyes can see this development....

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....not to forget "Micron", you as a Brit hate France sometimes more than Germany....you poor tortured thing you! :(

Believe me....the Euro-Army will come....the future global world demands that....what will you do when Washington cheers for it, helps starting it?

It will exist within cooperations and maneuvers and exercises and shared costs and duties long before you would give it a name! :)

So....you are right.....let the discussion end here, it's not as if future Europe truly will have a choice.

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Sure.....we will do it!

....and Poland will sit on the sideline, with all of its shiny, beefed up army and watch.....I can just see that before my inner eye! :)

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Do tell....

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.....I don't remember having you such concerns regarding Germany or France?

There is always sounds like fear of what they could do with such a military....not what they wouldn't be allowed to do....rather curious, isn't it! :)

Frankly....both World Wars would be avoided with a common army....with a Union as the EU already in place....that alone are enough good arguments!