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Polonius3   
18 Dec 2015
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

Petru & Co

Has anyone ever heard of a banker leading a protest movement? Anywhere in the world.
Workers -- yes, rabble-rousing politicians -- typical, indirectly even priests occasionally (Popiełuszko). But a banker? That is so unbanker-like that he must have an ulterior motive. And we all know what it is. Eupehmsitically called a "market-friendly" climate, meaning foreign big-money forces run the show behind the scenes, whiklst their padi flunkies (MPs, ministers and other agents of influence on the take)eucne) go through the motions of "democratic governance". That is the Realpolitik. The high-sounding slogans are only there to delude the masses?
Polonius3   
18 Dec 2015
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

They have a majority in the Sejm and Senat, as well as the Presidency.

And that majority are receiving constructive dialogue and cooperation from the "loyal" (?!) opposition. The entire muck-up caused by PO's illicit appointment of TK judges has snowballed into one gigantic imbroglio.

Kukiz is proposing expanding the TK to18 members and swearing in the extra judges to resolve the situation. I doubt if the oppostion will agree. Why? Because that might calm the situation which they wish to enflame. They will use every pretext, pretence and trick in the book to safeguard their perks snad privileges. To hell with Poland, the nation, the people -- banksterism must prevail at all costs!
Polonius3   
18 Dec 2015
Language / Polish slang phrases - most popular. [606]

padi shada

In Polish it might come out as padyszada or paryszada, but that is meaningless. What was it supposed to mean? When was it used?
Polonius3   
18 Dec 2015
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

PiS have been in government for over a month now

..and they have not been given a moment of peace to calmly analyse, prepare, plan... The foaming-at-the-mouth opposition are doing everything possible to disrupt, confuse, undermine and sow general mayhem. Excellent climate to create legislation in?!

former PZPR appratchiks

PO have brought 30 former Katyń conspirators into the Sejm!
Polonius3   
17 Dec 2015
Life / All Things Christmassy in Poland [332]

DEAR MOD,
I*VE READ THE RUELS. MY COMPUTER IS LOADED WITH STUFF. SOME OF IT HAS INDEED BEEN PRINTED IN THE US POLONIA PRESS YEARS AGO. I CAN'T ALWAYS REMEMEBR WHICH ITEMS WERE OR WEREN'T. I'D LIKE TO SHARE SOME OF IT WITH PF. WHAT AM I TO DO?

MAYBE MAKE A SMALL EXCEPTION IN THE SPIRIT OF CHRISTMAS?
Polonius3   
17 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

avourite banner

Here's a suggestion for some demo banners:

LONG LIVE PETRU - A WESTERN BANKSTER'S DREAM COME TRUE!

JOIN OUR MARCH FOR MORE FOREIGN CONTROL OVER POLAND'S ECONOMY

EUROCRATS FOEREVER!

PiS AREN'T GONNA DISRUPT OUR PERKS & KICKBACKS

FOR A PETRU/PO/PSL COALITION GOVERNMENT!

MICHNIK HAS A MONOPOLY ON TRUTH - THE REST ARE LIARS!

A TRUE POLE HAS ONLY ONE HOMELAND -- BRUSSELS!

TOADIES OF WESTERN BIG-MONEY FORCES UNITE!

POLAND WANTS MORE WESTERN BANKS, RETAILERS AND ASSEMBLY PLANTS!

with ex-PZPR functionaries

Except the PO have four times as many in their ranks - 30 just in their parliamentary club alone!
Explain that, won't you?
Polonius3   
17 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

lied through his teeth

Through 8 years of PO thefts, scams, scnadals and irregularities when those at the helm were getting hefty kickbacks from their Western coporrate masters you were totally silent. Now all of a sudden when an honest and decent grouping has finally been elected you are tripping over yourself to find fault, malign, besmirch and discredit. Strange, eh?
Polonius3   
17 Dec 2015
Life / All Things Christmassy in Poland [332]

medieval stuff

No, it's tradition, Every nation has it. Like the candles on the birthday cake or Guy Fawkes Day or the US Thanksgiving Day turkey and parades or St Paddy's day doings (in Chicago they actually dye the river green!?).....

there are so many questions

POLISH CHRISTMAS LORE

Polish Christmas lore includes various local customs, beliefs and practices whose minor points may have differed from one partition zone to another (from the late 1700s until 1918 Poland was occupied by three foreign powers). There were minor differences from region to region and village to village, and individual families added some unique practices of their own. But for centuries, Wigilia (Christmas eve) has been the focus of the celebration, and the opłatek or Christmas wafer -- its central symbolic artifact. Exceptions included parts of Pomerania (Kashubia) and Mazuria - regions that had been under German rule for ages. Now the opłatek custom is also widely practiced in those areas as well.

ampoleagle.com/polish-christmas-lore-p5556-137.htm

Please follow the rules set out for pre-published material
Polonius3   
17 Dec 2015
Life / All Things Christmassy in Poland [332]

Father Christmas

A bit of Polish history. During the Stalinist period Poland's Soviet puppets worked overtime to undermine Christmas. They shifted the main celebration to New Year's Day and told kids their presents were brought by a Soviet-style Santa called Dyed Moroz (in Polish: Dziadek Mróz or Grandpa Frost). In place of jasełka (nativity plays) houses of culture (communtiy centres) staged New Year's Day gatherings and state printeries churned out millions of New Year's greeting cards which Poles did not need. Dyed Moroz was sent back to the USSR during the 1956 "thaw" and things returned to normal until the 1990's when Christmas got turned into a high-powered, razzle-dazzle American-style shopping spree. You were born to buy, Poles were told, so shop till you drop. If you can't afford it, get a bank loan. And they lived happily ever after.
Polonius3   
17 Dec 2015
Life / All Things Christmassy in Poland [332]

Christmas

"NO, VIRGINIA, THERE IS NO SANTA CLAUS!"

Christmas was approaching, and for the past two months little Virginia Nowak wondered each time he saw the grinning image of Santa advertising something in shops, on TV and billboards, in newspapers and magazines. She was seven years old, and some of the kids in second grade were saying there is no Santa, that parents put presents under the Christmas tree and only say that Santa left them.

One day Virginia was visitng her Busia and saw a Polish newspaper which had an English page. Readers were writing letters to the editor commenting on things or asking questions, That gave Virginia an idea. A newspaper must know a lot of things so she decided to write to the editor. In her still rather childish hand and spelling she neatly printed:

DEAR EDITER,
SOME KIDS SAY THEIR IS NO SANTA. I WOOD LIKE TO KNOW, CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME?
MARY CHRISTMAS TO YOU
VIRGINIA NOWAK

A few days later Virginia's letter and the editor's reply got printed. The editor wrote:
Dear Virginia,
That squat overgrown elf in a red suit was created bythe Coca-Cola company as an advertising gimmick back in the 1930s. His image boosted Coke sales so much that other companies started plastering it all over the place. Then someone added the North Pole bit, ho-ho-ho, elves and red-nosed reindeer and sales skyrocketed even more, So Santa really is the world's best advertising agent.

So you see, Virginia, there really is no Santa Claus. But there is a Saint Nicholas. He really walked God's good earth and was a saintly bishop known for helping those in need. And, some say that to this day he comes down from heaven on his feastday to quiz kids on their prayers, good deeds and behavior and reward them with little gifts and treats. So yes, Virginia, there is a St Nick. He visits kids on December 6th and keeps Christ in Christmas.

Tell your friends at school and have a happy and blessed Boże Narodzenie.
Yours truly,
Adam Kowalczyk
Editor-in-Chief
Polonius3   
17 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

instead of the rule law

No-one is quesitoning the rule of law as such, but that term has been used by very different groups and regimes over the years. And for 8 years PO's rule of law somehow favoured that party's priorities and goals.

Are you saying that under PO courts and judges were 100% unbiased and impartial and under PiS they are 100% biased and partial? Was stacking the TK with 14 PO appointees and 1 from PiS fair, impartial, democratic, pluralistic or what?

Judges are hunman and subject to temptation and will always cast a favourable glance at those who appointed them. Maybe some other means of screening and selection is needed.
Polonius3   
17 Dec 2015
Life / All Things Christmassy in Poland [332]

first communions where there's no drink.

When our son made his First Holy Communion the priest asked families not to serve alcohol. Pani Zaremba, the ruddy-faced lumpenprole-style mum of one of our son's schoolmates, was irate: "Who does he (the priest) think he is telling people they can't even raise a single a toast to their children!?" BTW she was not known to ever limit herself to "a single toast".

We willingly followed the priest's recommendation to a T and it was very nice. None of our guests complained of the absence of tipples on the table. Later in the afternoon after dinner the First Holy Communicants and their guests gathered at an Old Town church for a special benediction and families then took their kids for ice-cream before heading home. It was a nice sunny day and the stroll from Old Town back to Wilson Square was a pleasant experience.

Joy to the world!

I agree but have you distinguished between cause and effect and also admonisehd those badmouthing Polish traditions? My negatvie remarks came in response to posters calling them boring and mediaeval, saying they should be alcohol-laced and were something one has to stoically sit through. Such remarks may be offensive to those who regard the Wigilia tradition as something unique and sacred.

No-one scoffed at your Irish traditons, if you'll recall. No-one called them mediaeval or boring although a cynic might regard the candle in the window stuff as archaic and senseless.
Polonius3   
17 Dec 2015
Life / All Things Christmassy in Poland [332]

they sit through it all stoically

Then you have never experienced a real Polish Wigilia or only and ersatz version in the wrong company, for instance in a family with PZPR roots. Wigilia can and should be an enriching, rewarding and uplifting spiritual experience, not just another boring family meet-up which requires loads of booze to get through. I have seen many non-Poles, especially Americans of non-Polish extraction, marvel at the Wigilia saying "we don't have anything this beatuiful and moving in our Christmas routine." Maybe PF have an over-representation of heartless cynics.
Polonius3   
16 Dec 2015
Life / All Things Christmassy in Poland [332]

those things are so boring

Spoken like a de-spiritualised and de-humanised materialist! If you can't eat, drink, wear, drive or f*ck it, it ain't no damn good!
Polonius3   
16 Dec 2015
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

PiS wo

PiS have won back the No. 1 slot according to an Ibris poll published by Rzepa:
PiS 30
Petru 25
PO 15
ZL 7
PSL 6
Kukiz 5

PiS

Following a drop in support when Petru's Nowoczesna briefly eclipsed PiS, Poland's ruling party now appears to be inching its way back up. The latest Millward Brown poll showed:

PiS 33
Petru 28
PO 14
Kukiz 6.
No other party would have made it into the Sejm.
Polonius3   
16 Dec 2015
Life / All Things Christmassy in Poland [332]

Christmas eve

If Christmas Eve was just another boring run-of-the-mill booze-up, there'd be nothing special about. That's part of the beauty and Polish magic of Wigilia.
Polonius3   
16 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

rule of law _or_ education

The law and education can easily be bent to serve outside corporate forces. The PO have been doing that for 8 years. Now it's Petru's turn.
Polonius3   
16 Dec 2015
Life / All Things Christmassy in Poland [332]

horribly formal with suiting up

There is more to Christmas than food, drink and presents! It is largely spiritual experience full of time-honoured ritual and symbolism, emotion and nostalgia. You can get soused anytime but Wigilia is in a class all its own. There are probably some on PF incapable of appreciating such sentiments. So be it!
Polonius3   
16 Dec 2015
Life / All Things Christmassy in Poland [332]

Christmas

Dedicated to Pan Atch(-ski?)

Polish Christmas Eve

'Twas the day before Christmas - the house was astir,
Tatuś had brought home a ceiling-high fir.
It filled our whole house with a nice woodsy scent,
After setting it up, again off he went.
From the kitchen there wafted those Christmas Eve savors.
They made our mouths water for once-a-year flavors.
Babcia sliced noodles from the dough she made best,
Round the bread-board she tossed them to give them a rest.
Dziadzio cleaned fish and, when there were no more,
Went on to help with the next Christmas chore.
With a bowl 'twixt his legs Janek sat on the floor,
Crushing the poppyseeds his back to the door.
The mushrooms had soaked and now could be cooked,
The uszka would taste just as good as they looked.
The finished pierogi were arrayed and all ready
To be cooked in a pot boiling ever so steady.
Mama laced herring with onions and cream
And started preparing the carp, pike and bream.
Teenage Krystyna was trimming the tree
Behind a locked door so Ola couldn't see.
She wanted to keep it a special surprise
To see the excitement in her sister's eyes.
One by one later they slipped from the home
To go to confession, repent and atone.
For nothing today should be blemished or soiled.
Both body and soul must be cleansed and unspoiled.
So as evening approached they all bathed and dressed
And chose from their wardrobes their holiday best.
In the window stood Ola her gaze fixed on far,
Trying to spot the evening's first star.
She silently wondered there as she stood
Whether today she had been extra good.
For Babcia had told her: 'Oleńka my dear,
How you are on Wigilia you'll be the whole year!'
The table was laid - what a sight to behold!
That once-a-year ritual soon would unfold.
The top had been strewn with a handful of hay
In memory of Jesus and the bed where he lay.
A table-cloth followed - pure snowy-white
The only kind suited for this wondrous night.
It was an old heirloom all trimmed with lace.
And at the table there was one extra place
For some lonely, poor traveler who night knock on the door,
Hungry and weary and chilled to the core.
On a plate on the table amid fir sprigs and hay
A snowy-white wafer majestically lay.
Dziadzio took it and blessed it and broke it two,
Giving one piece to Babcia with feelings so true:
'I wish you, Mamusiu, God's very best,
With joy and good health may you always be blessed.'
Babcia wished him the same and the two of them then
Extended to all those warm wishes again.
We all shared opłatek, shared wishes and kissed,
Assuring that no family member be missed.
During that moment so tender and dear
In more than one eye there glistened a tear
For the dearly departed and those who were far
And could not break bread on the Feast of the Star.
There appeared on the table a covered tureen,
Its savory fragrance betrayed soup unseen.
Within was the barszcz ruby-red and so clear
With floating small dumplings - each shaped like an ear.
Next came the herring with crusty rye bread
Or boiled potatoes which some liked instead.
There were three kinds of fish and kapusta with peas,
Pierogi with cabbage, potatoes and cheese.
Although this alone was more than enough,
Next came the sweet things - such wonderful stuff!
Poppyseed noodles, stewed raisins and prunes,
All you could hear was the clatter of spoons.
Then came makowiec, that fine Wilia cake,
So luscious as only our Babcia could bake.
Piernik and keks, figs, dates and nuts.
'You must sample each with no ifs or buts!'
When we'd eaten our fill and had room for no more,
Someone rose from he table and flung open the door.
There in the parlor all ashimmer and aglow
Glistened the tree as if sprinkled with snow.
Its ornaments sparkled in the tapers' gold light,
Bringing radiance and warmth on this cold winter's night.
Then all of a sudden we heard a loud knock.
It was Święty Mikołaj rattling the lock.
His white beard was bushy, his cheeks cherry-red,
And a gold bishop's miter was gracing his head.
His long robe brought with it a gust frosty cold.
'Niech będzie pochwalony...' came his greeting of old.
We youngsters were quizzed on our good deeds and prayers,
While our puzzled dog Kajtek just whined on the stairs.
St Nick passed out presents as he sat by the tree,
Filling us youngsters with rapture and glee.
When he left there resounded a familiar old chord
On Dziadzia's accordion in praise of the Lord:
'Wśród nocnej ciszy' and 'Lulajże' too
Were sung with great fervor as Poles always do.
Since 'Dzisiaj w Betlejem' was the favorite of most,
Dziadzia played in again - a most amiable host.
By now it was late and soon Babcia said:
'It's time for Pasterka - Oleńka to bed!'
She needed some coaxing, at last she gave in,
To much excitement this long day had been.
All bundled up we then trudged through the cold
To hear the nativity story retold.
Pasterka was glorious and always has been,
A Mass that awakens the goodness in men.
And that more or less is the end of our poem,
For after Pasterka we all returned home.
May the joy of Wigilia, so Polish and dear
Fill you and your family throughout the New Year.
Polonius3   
16 Dec 2015
Life / All Things Christmassy in Poland [332]

Christmas

SORRY MODS & PF-ERS! When I saw Atch's "Christmas miracle" remark I instinctively thought it was in the Christmas thread and added my two groszy worth. Maybe someone more e-gadgetarian savvy than me can remove it from there. I am re-posting it here where it belongs:

POLISH YOUR YULE-THEMED POLISH!

ADWENT: Pronounced: "AHD-vent", Advent, the nearly four-week period of spiritual preparation for Christmas. It is the time to build a Christmas crib, welcome Święty Mikołaj, prepare home-made tree ornaments, light successive candles of the Advent Wreath, pray and mediate a bit more and think of the needy.

ANIO£: Pronounced: "AH-nyo", the Polish word for angel, a figure who recurs throughout the season in Christmas carols, nativity plays and holiday decorations.

archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/POLAND-ROOTS/2008-12/1228364907
Polonius3   
16 Dec 2015
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

Did anyone hear of Petru a year ago? Even six months ago? Such meteoric rise from oblivion to prominence only takes place under exceptional conditions. Michnik-Petru lies and scare tactics about totalitarianism just round the corner are the kind of tactics used by power-greedy dictators. At times they have succeeded.

more demonstrations planned

Looks as though you're hoping for a for a Polish Majdan comopelte with bloodshed which you can watch on the telly in comfort and safety of your flat. But remember, the Majdan started when Russian snipers began taking potshots at peaceful demonstrators. Shiny bald pates make ideal sniper targets.
Polonius3   
16 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

merely protest

From hindsight it may seem to be an over-reaction or, as you yourself have conceded, a deliberate trap and pretext to unleash all hell round the issue.
Polonius3   
16 Dec 2015
News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland? [626]

trustworthy parties

Nobody except the Michnik/PO/Petru raise such a hysterical hue and cry when a democratically elected party is not the one they voted for.
Polonius3   
16 Dec 2015
Life / All Things Christmassy in Poland [332]

turkey carcass

Ya know, my Polish Babcia always made krupnik (vegetable-barley soup) using the Xmas turkey carcass.
Polonius3   
16 Dec 2015
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

analogies with Nazism

Only the tactics are comaprable. If some obscure American governor from the 1960s were mentioned hardly anybody would get the point. The ascent to popularity and prominence from near-oblivion of Petru and Hitler are similar, which does not mean the bankster is planning to build death camps.
Polonius3   
16 Dec 2015
News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]

Latest poll from IBRIS

The Nazis were first regarded as a bunch of beerhall thugs. They did poorly in the first elections, but by and by, making ample use of bombastic demogoguery backed by Goebbels' 100-fold-repeated lies, and bingo!

The outrageous Michnik-Petru lies and scare tactics about totalitarianism just round the corner are working for them just as they did for Hitler-Goebbels. To be successful propaganda need not be truthful, it need only be persuasive and effective!