nott
20 Oct 2010
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
The right to own knives is neither.
The right to own knives is neither.
nott
20 Oct 2010
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
Nope. Just, the truth would prevail :)
Right, lol. Gun-toting freaks are not necessarily out of their minds :)
you're all in this thread so zacietrzewieni that i wouldn't give any of you a gun... soon enough the forum would be empty....
Nope. Just, the truth would prevail :)
lol ;)
Right, lol. Gun-toting freaks are not necessarily out of their minds :)
nott
20 Oct 2010
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
I don't, really, just being polite.
As you say: 'back then everyone owned guns, it was common', so that's how it is to be interpreted, in the historical context. They just confirmed the natural law, in case somebody in the unimaginable future tried to disarm people.
I have an air-gun... :)
Don't believe her false argument, Nott...
I don't, really, just being polite.
As you say: 'back then everyone owned guns, it was common', so that's how it is to be interpreted, in the historical context. They just confirmed the natural law, in case somebody in the unimaginable future tried to disarm people.
I have an air-gun... :)
nott
20 Oct 2010
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
Even if, the world didn't start with the Founding Fathers. Arms possession has been a natural right of citizens since the dawn of time. Seems it was in the Tzarist Russia when the first limitations took place. Like, after the 1863 Uprising firearms were confiscated in Poland, for the first time ever.
I don't think that our founding fathers
Even if, the world didn't start with the Founding Fathers. Arms possession has been a natural right of citizens since the dawn of time. Seems it was in the Tzarist Russia when the first limitations took place. Like, after the 1863 Uprising firearms were confiscated in Poland, for the first time ever.
nott
20 Oct 2010
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
That's why I said 'eventually'.
Must've changed lately, then.
A handgun to protect your house is almost unheard of.
That's why I said 'eventually'.
Regarding the Police, they can shoot when they feel threatened.
Must've changed lately, then.
nott
20 Oct 2010
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
From 'The Making of Modern Britain' by Andrew Marr. On Edwardian Britain:
Crime was, by today's standards, remarkably low. Yet anyone could walk into one of numerous shops and buy a revolver. (...) Edwardian Britain was an armoured country, even after the Pistols Act of 1903 thoughtfully banned sales of handguns to people under eighteen or 'drunken or insane'.
statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-000
#1 District of Columbia: 31.2
#2 Alaska: 20
some of the comments:
Odd how Washington DC, with it's unconstitutional handgun ban, leads the nation.
Alaska near top, mostly b/c of suicides in Native Americans.
Note the difference between DC and Alaska.
The Germans wanted to create a purely German zone at the eastern border of the General Government. They started with cleansing Zamojszczyzna, which resulted in quick organising of local armed self-defence, opposing the expulsions and retaliating on already settled (armed) Germans. The scale of resistance caused the action to be stopped. It's a huge chapter in the history of the Polish underground.
And: Partyzancka Republika Pińczowska, in 1944 spanned over 100 sq km free from occupying forces.
pinczow.pl/page.php?id=20&s=1
People with guns don't get shot in the back of the head. They got to be tied up first. The problem with resistance against the Soviets was that the Red Army was to be considered an ally. Much of the armed Polish underground gave up weapons and were sent far East. After the 'Western Treason' it was a bit late to recover the strength. Still, the armed opposition lasted for years on, and was the main reason that Poland retained land ownership and freedom of religion. If the Soviets had tried to take land from peasants, there would've been no 'communism' in Poland, most probably.
You don't care much for what you can't really have. Polish gun laws are ridiculous. From what I remember, you can eventually get a permission for a handgun to protect your house, yet, by the law, it has to be locked safely at all times, unloaded. The police, before shooting at the criminal, have to shout a shooting warning (Policja, uwaga, strzelam!) three times, then shoot in the air, then aim at the legs.
About the interest in guns you'd have to live for a stretch in the already mentioned Zamojszczyzna. And make good friends there too. My grandpa had a cavalry carbine, I was playing with it as a kid, and once my uncle took me in the woods for some real shooting. My cousin exchanged it later for a Parabellum and a small sack of ammo, and then sold it for a bottle of vodka. Or two, could be... The price should suggest you the availability of firearms, not the level of interest. If an old barn caught fire, the fire brigade did not approach for fear of stashed ammo and grenades, they only protected the neighbouring buildings.
Zamojszczyzna was exceptionally littered with guns, must be said, but Poles are not gun-shy, just disarmed. Except those who read Wyborcza to lunch.
if everyone will own a gun crime will go down to lowest in history.
From 'The Making of Modern Britain' by Andrew Marr. On Edwardian Britain:
Crime was, by today's standards, remarkably low. Yet anyone could walk into one of numerous shops and buy a revolver. (...) Edwardian Britain was an armoured country, even after the Pistols Act of 1903 thoughtfully banned sales of handguns to people under eighteen or 'drunken or insane'.
Simple comparison between USA homicide rate and Polish homicide rate shows that USA model is not viable.
statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-000
#1 District of Columbia: 31.2
#2 Alaska: 20
some of the comments:
Odd how Washington DC, with it's unconstitutional handgun ban, leads the nation.
Alaska near top, mostly b/c of suicides in Native Americans.
Note the difference between DC and Alaska.
convex:Talking about the partisan forces in WW2
Then agreed, success there, but impossible in Poland given Polish flat terrain.
Then agreed, success there, but impossible in Poland given Polish flat terrain.
The Germans wanted to create a purely German zone at the eastern border of the General Government. They started with cleansing Zamojszczyzna, which resulted in quick organising of local armed self-defence, opposing the expulsions and retaliating on already settled (armed) Germans. The scale of resistance caused the action to be stopped. It's a huge chapter in the history of the Polish underground.
And: Partyzancka Republika Pińczowska, in 1944 spanned over 100 sq km free from occupying forces.
pinczow.pl/page.php?id=20&s=1
More Poles would end up being shot in the back of their head
People with guns don't get shot in the back of the head. They got to be tied up first. The problem with resistance against the Soviets was that the Red Army was to be considered an ally. Much of the armed Polish underground gave up weapons and were sent far East. After the 'Western Treason' it was a bit late to recover the strength. Still, the armed opposition lasted for years on, and was the main reason that Poland retained land ownership and freedom of religion. If the Soviets had tried to take land from peasants, there would've been no 'communism' in Poland, most probably.
But...not many people are interested in them. Poles really don't seem to care much for guns.
You don't care much for what you can't really have. Polish gun laws are ridiculous. From what I remember, you can eventually get a permission for a handgun to protect your house, yet, by the law, it has to be locked safely at all times, unloaded. The police, before shooting at the criminal, have to shout a shooting warning (Policja, uwaga, strzelam!) three times, then shoot in the air, then aim at the legs.
About the interest in guns you'd have to live for a stretch in the already mentioned Zamojszczyzna. And make good friends there too. My grandpa had a cavalry carbine, I was playing with it as a kid, and once my uncle took me in the woods for some real shooting. My cousin exchanged it later for a Parabellum and a small sack of ammo, and then sold it for a bottle of vodka. Or two, could be... The price should suggest you the availability of firearms, not the level of interest. If an old barn caught fire, the fire brigade did not approach for fear of stashed ammo and grenades, they only protected the neighbouring buildings.
Zamojszczyzna was exceptionally littered with guns, must be said, but Poles are not gun-shy, just disarmed. Except those who read Wyborcza to lunch.
nott
19 Oct 2010
Genealogy / How did Leszek Miller get the surname Miller - is it a Polish name? [30]
So they had been more pragmatic long before commies came here.
I am not saying Millers are Germans. The name is a Polonised German name, though. Most probably, as the English didn't flow to Poland en masse.
And I guess the OP knows this perfectly well, just trying to be funny.
The name Miller predates communism in Poland by quite a bit:
So they had been more pragmatic long before commies came here.
I am not saying Millers are Germans. The name is a Polonised German name, though. Most probably, as the English didn't flow to Poland en masse.
And I guess the OP knows this perfectly well, just trying to be funny.
nott
19 Oct 2010
Genealogy / How did Leszek Miller get the surname Miller - is it a Polish name? [30]
I had a friend by the name of Müller. Not Miller, not Muller, not Mueller, but Müller. Extremely patriotic Polish family, but with obvious German roots some time in the 17th century, as the family legend said. They had a whole lot of trouble under the commies for this very reason, but the family tradition was that the surname was the surname, and nobody fvcks with it. Miller's family must've been more pragmatic.
I had a friend by the name of Müller. Not Miller, not Muller, not Mueller, but Müller. Extremely patriotic Polish family, but with obvious German roots some time in the 17th century, as the family legend said. They had a whole lot of trouble under the commies for this very reason, but the family tradition was that the surname was the surname, and nobody fvcks with it. Miller's family must've been more pragmatic.
nott
19 Oct 2010
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
Yeah, but it was more like a private opinion. I might agree with it, but it's good to have some hard data on your side. Or these data may suggest some other reasons.
In the UK there was a serious proposition that all kitchen knives should have rounded tips. I am not making it up.
And this might help with the 'urban black kids' problem too. Now they are the kings of the street just by holding a piece of iron. If anybody else, white, black or yellow, was likely to carry same thing, then they'd need something more to make up for the perceived inferiority, social injustice, or whatever. It's easy to wave a gun at an unarmed big guy, but not so if a granny behind may point a gun at you too. Or two grannies. Trembling hands and all.
And I already addressed just what this something is. Gotta love all that 'rich diversity'...
Yeah, but it was more like a private opinion. I might agree with it, but it's good to have some hard data on your side. Or these data may suggest some other reasons.
nott:Every kitchen has a set of sharp pointed knives, often in full display on special stands, and every house has a drawer full of sharp tools.
Clearly these should be next on the banny (ban+nanny) list.
Clearly these should be next on the banny (ban+nanny) list.
In the UK there was a serious proposition that all kitchen knives should have rounded tips. I am not making it up.
But if there was a big possibility that passerby you are trying to rob takes out a gun and starts shooting, now bandits would be affraid to go out in the night...
And this might help with the 'urban black kids' problem too. Now they are the kings of the street just by holding a piece of iron. If anybody else, white, black or yellow, was likely to carry same thing, then they'd need something more to make up for the perceived inferiority, social injustice, or whatever. It's easy to wave a gun at an unarmed big guy, but not so if a granny behind may point a gun at you too. Or two grannies. Trembling hands and all.
nott
19 Oct 2010
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
Actually, this chart shows that guns in private hands are as dangerous as any other tool, no more. The relation is nicely linear. Twice the guns, twice the deaths, all along. Just like anything, might be expected. If the popular private gun ownership was inherently more dangerous than, say, chainsaw ownership, we'd see some bending up of the line on the right hand side.
The USA are an exception, so there's something going on there. Now I'd like to see similar statistics, but with the US states compared.
And how do they end up with knives, choppers, axes, pitchforks, hammers, screwdrivers easily available? Every kitchen has a set of sharp pointed knives, often in full display on special stands, and every house has a drawer full of sharp tools.
The problem with that chart is that suicides are included...distorts things a bit.
Actually, this chart shows that guns in private hands are as dangerous as any other tool, no more. The relation is nicely linear. Twice the guns, twice the deaths, all along. Just like anything, might be expected. If the popular private gun ownership was inherently more dangerous than, say, chainsaw ownership, we'd see some bending up of the line on the right hand side.
The USA are an exception, so there's something going on there. Now I'd like to see similar statistics, but with the US states compared.
When I was in Poland, I observed how they act when they get really mad at each other after having too much to drink. With guns, I can imagine how those very lively "disputes" would end up.
And how do they end up with knives, choppers, axes, pitchforks, hammers, screwdrivers easily available? Every kitchen has a set of sharp pointed knives, often in full display on special stands, and every house has a drawer full of sharp tools.
nott
5 Oct 2010
News / Polish IQ ahead of France, USA, Canada, Israel, Ireland... [47]
there there... cmok.
And I have a rational explanation of this decline. But we are not starting this topic now, are we... :)
See ya.
*wails and tears at hair*
there there... cmok.
And I have a rational explanation of this decline. But we are not starting this topic now, are we... :)
See ya.
nott
5 Oct 2010
News / Polish IQ ahead of France, USA, Canada, Israel, Ireland... [47]
My question was rhetorical. It meant I don't consider nations' achievements so vitally important, as compared to other nations' achievements. Why do you, as your question, rhetorically, suggested?
Oh, well, drop it. you know what I think about this IQ comparisons, and I am going to bed anyway. Good night.
Edit:
in 2002. Four years later, it's 99. Below human average, a whole point! :)
Of course you are Europeans but stating this fact has nothing to do with one of your previous posts where you asked me your question as an answer to my question.
My question was rhetorical. It meant I don't consider nations' achievements so vitally important, as compared to other nations' achievements. Why do you, as your question, rhetorically, suggested?
Oh, well, drop it. you know what I think about this IQ comparisons, and I am going to bed anyway. Good night.
Edit:
That link shows Germany at 102
in 2002. Four years later, it's 99. Below human average, a whole point! :)
nott
4 Oct 2010
News / Polish IQ ahead of France, USA, Canada, Israel, Ireland... [47]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality#National_IQ_and_QHC_values
isn't it the same link?
But what I am saying, actually, it's crap.
Huh? Where did you get that from?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality#National_IQ_and_QHC_values
isn't it the same link?
But what I am saying, actually, it's crap.
nott
4 Oct 2010
News / Polish IQ ahead of France, USA, Canada, Israel, Ireland... [47]
I mean, we are Europeans now, aren't we...
:)
I mean, we are Europeans now, aren't we...
:)
nott
4 Oct 2010
News / Polish IQ ahead of France, USA, Canada, Israel, Ireland... [47]
According to this source Germany lost 3 points from 2002 to 2006, coming down to 99. China, in the same period, gained an impressive 5, from 100 to 105. Regardless of the year, the majority of the planet's population has IQ lower than 100, which goes against the definition of IQ. This list is rubbish, nothing to get excited about.
Another tack: IQ70 is considered a border line of 'intellectually deficient'. Moron, in the Internet terms. For a racist like me it shouldn't be surprising that almost the whole Africa is below IQ70. Now I do not consider myself a moron, one particular reason being that I don't believe those people can survive at all without being able to perform basic logic on a daily basis, and hindered by a big minority of people with IQ like 30.
This list shows the average ability of passing the particular IQ test. Useless for a racist...
And how important is the efficiency of one nation... ?
Israel, IQ95...
2002 - IQ102
2006 - IQ99
2010 - ?
:)
If it is the one I think it is Germany is still leading together with Austria and Holland with 102
(and both are proxy Germans anyhow) :)
(and both are proxy Germans anyhow) :)
According to this source Germany lost 3 points from 2002 to 2006, coming down to 99. China, in the same period, gained an impressive 5, from 100 to 105. Regardless of the year, the majority of the planet's population has IQ lower than 100, which goes against the definition of IQ. This list is rubbish, nothing to get excited about.
Another tack: IQ70 is considered a border line of 'intellectually deficient'. Moron, in the Internet terms. For a racist like me it shouldn't be surprising that almost the whole Africa is below IQ70. Now I do not consider myself a moron, one particular reason being that I don't believe those people can survive at all without being able to perform basic logic on a daily basis, and hindered by a big minority of people with IQ like 30.
This list shows the average ability of passing the particular IQ test. Useless for a racist...
what's more important, some very often incorrect measured IQ number or the efficiency of one nation?
And how important is the efficiency of one nation... ?
Israel, IQ95...
Since Germany is on top (in Europe at least - those darn Asians don't count) I'm not complaining!
2002 - IQ102
2006 - IQ99
2010 - ?
:)
nott
29 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Somebody already mentioned it. One guy with 11 sympathisers (assuming none of them was a mole from the Corriere), private wanking tour, and it makes world headlines.
Funny thing. While writing 'one guy' above, I made a typo 'one guoy', and then quickly corrected it to 'one 'goy'... then I saw what I wrote... please don't tell anybody...
Somebody already mentioned it. One guy with 11 sympathisers (assuming none of them was a mole from the Corriere), private wanking tour, and it makes world headlines.
Funny thing. While writing 'one guy' above, I made a typo 'one guoy', and then quickly corrected it to 'one 'goy'... then I saw what I wrote... please don't tell anybody...
nott
28 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
I'd bet they got the quotations right, or at least satisfyingly close. Now if you compare the manipulative styling of the article with the actual explanation of why Irving praised Hitler, then it looks a bit different. Great man etc. is difficult to deny, he made quite a splash.
It's not that I am a fan of Hitler, I just don't like this witch-hunt approach.
Edit:
Off to bed. Nite.
But basic facts and things like his quotes they cite are probably accurate...
I'd bet they got the quotations right, or at least satisfyingly close. Now if you compare the manipulative styling of the article with the actual explanation of why Irving praised Hitler, then it looks a bit different. Great man etc. is difficult to deny, he made quite a splash.
It's not that I am a fan of Hitler, I just don't like this witch-hunt approach.
Edit:
Off to bed. Nite.
nott
28 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
And some are being created by the sources. Both these newspapers are known for 'economical use of truth'. One thing drew my attention immediately: the Mail repeated at least three times that Irving was praising Hitler. Thing not to be overlooked however quickly you browse the text.
And some are being created by the sources. Both these newspapers are known for 'economical use of truth'. One thing drew my attention immediately: the Mail repeated at least three times that Irving was praising Hitler. Thing not to be overlooked however quickly you browse the text.
nott
28 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
To be frank, I'd rather see something else than Corriere della Sera article reported by the Mail Online...
Here's the sort of stuff he's spouting on his "history" tours...
To be frank, I'd rather see something else than Corriere della Sera article reported by the Mail Online...
nott
27 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Classic, I'd say. A comic engaging in a discussion on history. Ha ha.
Classic, I'd say. A comic engaging in a discussion on history. Ha ha.
nott
26 Sep 2010
Law / Poland - Temporary Residence card - Karta pobytu - required documents [142]
I'd say try to make it evident to your wife that it would be a good idea if she spoke some English. Then you might explain your problems to her, and she will ask in the relevant office. Best source of reliable information.
I'd say try to make it evident to your wife that it would be a good idea if she spoke some English. Then you might explain your problems to her, and she will ask in the relevant office. Best source of reliable information.
nott
24 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
The explanation of Polishness was yours, try to keep to your own definitions. As for reasonable interpetations, Vetala explained it already. You don't take it, your problem.
Try not to go personal, Harry, the Mod kindly requested. And if you can't, understandably, refrain from personal remarks, try at least to find something you could call a substantiated opinion if pressed.
It is hysterical to see Poles attempting to claim that certain people born in Poland to two Polish parents are not in the slightest bit Polish while at the same time claiming that certain people born in Poland to one Polish parent and one foreign parent are at the very least half Polish.
The explanation of Polishness was yours, try to keep to your own definitions. As for reasonable interpetations, Vetala explained it already. You don't take it, your problem.
I can see how it might be a very disappointing fact to a person who thinks that ever member of his nation is perfect in every way.
Try not to go personal, Harry, the Mod kindly requested. And if you can't, understandably, refrain from personal remarks, try at least to find something you could call a substantiated opinion if pressed.
nott
24 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
You said that nationality is defined by the country of birth. Their parents were not Polish, then.
I live in London.
It was a diagnosis, not an abuse. Your facts are rubbish, and your conclusions are rubbish too.
No, I can't quote your post in which you refer to them as "pure blood Poles". I can quote you saying that they were Poles born in Poland to Polish parents. You win big time, Harry, time to celebrate. I give you my permission to print this paragraph in bold letters, hang it on the wall in your sitting room, and wank to it any time you feel small and unimportant.
born in what Poles considered to be Polish territory, as evidenced by it being in Poland from 1918 until such time that Poland could not decided her own borders).
You said that nationality is defined by the country of birth. Their parents were not Polish, then.
Duszniki Zdrój is the longest direct train from Warsaw but that's another story.
I live in London.
Interesting to see that you have realised that you can't debate against facts and so instead resort to personal abuse.
It was a diagnosis, not an abuse. Your facts are rubbish, and your conclusions are rubbish too.
Could you perhaps quote the post in which I refer to any of them as "pure blood Poles"? I said that they were Poles who were born in Poland to Polish parents and they all were. But no doubt it is far easier for you to argue against what I didn't say than what I did say.
No, I can't quote your post in which you refer to them as "pure blood Poles". I can quote you saying that they were Poles born in Poland to Polish parents. You win big time, Harry, time to celebrate. I give you my permission to print this paragraph in bold letters, hang it on the wall in your sitting room, and wank to it any time you feel small and unimportant.
nott
24 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
read my posts before assuming
But there was no Poland, so they were not Polish parents, innit. I do read your posts.
So fkin what. Maybe they had to walk to school uphill. Even if you prove me the all five of them had Catholic baptism certificates for 7 generations of ancestors, you're still a sorry twat with a huge chip on your shoulder and possibly an inferiority complex like from here to Duszniki Zdrój. Vetala has already found the roots of some of your pure blood Poles anyway.
Just to make it a bit more precise, which is important in this thread:
In July 1942 the staff of the disbanded 162nd Infantry Division in occupied Poland was used to train battalions of the six newly established Armenian, Azerbaijan, Georgian, North Caucasian, Volga-Tartar and Turkestan Eastern Legions.
germanmilitaryhistory.devhub.com/blog/516219-the-osttruppen
I assume you agree that neither Frédéric François Chopin nor Nicolaus Copernicus are Poles, given that their real names are so unPolish that Poles had to create Polish versions!
read my posts before assuming
No, I've got six Poles born in Poland to Polish parents.
But there was no Poland, so they were not Polish parents, innit. I do read your posts.
none of Sawoniuk, Serafinowicz, Palij, Obodzinsky, nor Bilaniuk were ever prisoners of war
So fkin what. Maybe they had to walk to school uphill. Even if you prove me the all five of them had Catholic baptism certificates for 7 generations of ancestors, you're still a sorry twat with a huge chip on your shoulder and possibly an inferiority complex like from here to Duszniki Zdrój. Vetala has already found the roots of some of your pure blood Poles anyway.
The staff of the disbanded 162nd Infantry Division in Poland was charged with the raising and training of the six Eastern Legions.
Just to make it a bit more precise, which is important in this thread:
In July 1942 the staff of the disbanded 162nd Infantry Division in occupied Poland was used to train battalions of the six newly established Armenian, Azerbaijan, Georgian, North Caucasian, Volga-Tartar and Turkestan Eastern Legions.
germanmilitaryhistory.devhub.com/blog/516219-the-osttruppen
nott
23 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
He has his place in literature, no doubt. Question is about his place in history.
Imre Kertész, while receiving the Nobel Prize stated that all his works were written because of his own fascination with Borowski's prose.
He has his place in literature, no doubt. Question is about his place in history.
nott
23 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Borowski was a kapo, which doesn't show in his books. Some witnesses showed up and debunked his 'personal experiences'. This was the reason of his suicide, and not 'being disillusioned with communism'.
Whatever the great humanistic value of his books, they are not a historical source. Unless you treat them as an example of what extreme situations can do to a man. A tragic character, definitely, but not a witness.
Borowski was a kapo, which doesn't show in his books. Some witnesses showed up and debunked his 'personal experiences'. This was the reason of his suicide, and not 'being disillusioned with communism'.
Whatever the great humanistic value of his books, they are not a historical source. Unless you treat them as an example of what extreme situations can do to a man. A tragic character, definitely, but not a witness.
nott
23 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
I read Borowski. What Wiki doesn't say, he was a kapo.
I read Borowski. What Wiki doesn't say, he was a kapo.
nott
23 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
It's worth reading, though.
Prove it and I will consider reading the rest of your post.
It's worth reading, though.
nott
23 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Thing is, he loses money on it. Stubbornly.
Sold out already, as they say.
it's hard for a dude like D. Irving to make a buck, so he twists history around,
Thing is, he loses money on it. Stubbornly.
That way he sells no tickets and he has no reason to continue.
Sold out already, as they say.
nott
23 Sep 2010
History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]
Typical Polish names. So you got one 'Polish born' according to NYT, one Ukrainian, and one Jew.
Regardless of that, consider:
It must be remembered that these "Hiwi" often had no other choice, that they served under duress and that the alternative for them was being starved to death or murdered in one of the Nazi concentration camps, the fate of over 3 million Soviet POWs.
You feeling good now, safe behind your keyboard wherever it is you ooze, and spurting opinions of people long dead, who had basic choices to make - live or kill. I have no much respect for those from Trawniki, Soviets or not, but I do remember their life was that of **** and blood, stench and hate, booze and no future.
Think of that enema. They say it doesn't hurt, really.
Edit: **** means sh1t.
Suspicions were there from the very beginning, and, well, the documents are kept secret still. Exceptionally so.
and neither are the likes of Antoni Sawoniuk or Szymon Serafinowicz).
Typical Polish names. So you got one 'Polish born' according to NYT, one Ukrainian, and one Jew.
Regardless of that, consider:
It must be remembered that these "Hiwi" often had no other choice, that they served under duress and that the alternative for them was being starved to death or murdered in one of the Nazi concentration camps, the fate of over 3 million Soviet POWs.
You feeling good now, safe behind your keyboard wherever it is you ooze, and spurting opinions of people long dead, who had basic choices to make - live or kill. I have no much respect for those from Trawniki, Soviets or not, but I do remember their life was that of **** and blood, stench and hate, booze and no future.
Think of that enema. They say it doesn't hurt, really.
Edit: **** means sh1t.
Irving published Accident: The Death of General Sikorski.
Suspicions were there from the very beginning, and, well, the documents are kept secret still. Exceptionally so.