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It's a Cadillac package unavailable to the people who had Obamacare thrust on them. That's a rather important difference. They should have the same package as the rest of us. That seems to be a difficult concept to grasp by those who prefer to be subservient to their new masters. Evidently, liberals believe in a sort of government by royalty. Same goes for those government hypocrites who allow themselves to carry guns but want to take them away from the rest of us. How anyone can support such hypocrisy is beyond me.


Not immediately, but the long term goal is for a single payer system controlled by government bureaucrats.


Yea, it's sad that some people still believe that. They do so without knowing the history and background of why the right to arms was so important to the founding fathers. So they try to reinterpret it to suit their beliefs.

Co-founder of the Second Amendment George Mason stated in 1788, "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

Samual Adams when interviewed in the Philadelphia Gazette in August 1789 noted, "the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; ..."

Thomas Jefferson said, ""Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."

The many comments from the original authors leave no doubt as to what they meant by the "right to bear arms" which liberals are too ignorant of because they are fed pap from their communal leaders and ignorance from the main street media.

I'll leave you with President Washington's thinking, ""Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence"

Back then it was assumed that most households had weapons; and the authors of the Constitution wanted to keep it that way.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Obviously.
The people who want to take away the right to bear arms are the same people who are allowed to carry them or have armed body guards. They include Hollywood liberals, wealthy liberals and politicians. For example. Chicago aldermen want to take away guns from regular citizens, yet they are allowed to 'conceal and carry' weapons of their choice. Now, what's wrong with that picture? Of course the same is true for Obamacare. Washington government bureaucrats and politicians force it on everyone but they exclude themselves from it and prefer to keep their premium deluxe health care. What's wrong with that picture? Yea, I'd say I make "logical" points!

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


I'd say that's one heck-of-an-animal- quick reflexes and brains. I wonder if I could teach it Polish.


Ah yes, the good old days. Peace under the government gun is a wonderful thing.


I did stare down a squirrel once.


You haven't seen me in my Superman costume have you?


How else am I going to put baby seal meat on my table?


I only kill animals that are contemplating suicide (anyway)


I once lost a spelling bee contest to a coyote.


A country should be prepared to defend itself. The people of that country should also be wary of the government or to put it in other words; the government should fear the people instead of the other way around.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


You are probably unaware that the first gun control laws were enacted in the ante-bellum south in the U.S. in order to keep Blacks in their servile status. As to those who charge "racism" at every turn, I've previously given you the facts about minority-on-minority gun murders in Chicago. It didn't seem to register.


Your and Adolph Hitler agree on that one. Oh, and Joseph Stalin, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, Mao, etc also agree with you.


Once again, legal gun owners have the lowest crime rate. You and other liberals continue to be immune to facts It is a curious phenomena.



Okay, I'll join in. I'll eat my top hat.......lol


Oh, the anti gun people will guarantee it, otherwise what is the point of gun bans?........right? (liberals rarely take their solutions to logical conclusions)


Unlike you, the sane individual does that separately. Glad I can explain it to you.

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Is the term "gun grabbers" too strong for you? My, what a sensitive emotion. What should I call people who want to take away my guns? Are they 'gun borrowers'? lol


You and some others are the ones defending emotion. Unlike you, I've suggested not making decisions based on emotion.

It's noticeable that instead of arguing the points made about gun control, you and others prefer to make-up untruths about me. That just shows how bereft of the subject matter you are. It's also noticeable that no one thus far has commented on the excellent points made by the calm nice man in my video above. When gun control measures are enacted than violent and other kinds of crime go up. That's true in England, Germany and in the U.S. Conceal and carry states have lower crime rates while strict gun control areas like Chicago have higher ones. Once again, logic doesn't affect those who prefer to make their judgments based on their 'feelings' and emotions.


Evidently you didn't bother to watch the video above which rationally explains that to you.


LOL. That's for sure.

Driving up to Wisconsin to do some practice target shooting (too cold to golf); drink some wine, smoke good premium cigars and teach my tall Serbian girlfriend how to properly shoot a variety of guns. Enjoy the day everyone.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

How is calling gun grabbers "emotional" an insult when this attribute of emotion is defended by them?

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Well Poison, as I previously noted, those who object to Mr. Lott's facts come from the left. No surprises there. Your sources, "Salon" and "Media Matters" can be counted on to be counter factual. as their 'progressive' agenda trumps truth. You believe them, I don't. As the video above shows, liberals count on emotion while the calm, cool researchers stick to facts.


That's fine as far as it goes. Here is the problem with that. You should not make judgments based on emotion. Frequently, that may be difficult to do but as evolving humans we should try to make decisions based on reason and logic.

For example, anger is an emotion. Don't make a decision when you are angry, wait until your head clears. Too many people, like the gun grabbers default to emotion to make their narrow minded points. Humans have a higher calling than that.


Ironic for you to say that since you don't provide any evidence in your critiques.


I don't want to be cruel but your sophomoric comments suggest that you really have no idea about this subject. I enjoy target shooting , I enjoy hunting and in one instance I've even protected myself.

A cool, calm discussion about guns is difficult for gun grabbers. The following video is presented in just such a calm, composed manner therefore watching it from start to finish may not be possible for the emotional anti gun cultists.

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FWNOiw_XIV8

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Yet they do. If life is important to you then why do you ignore the automobile carnage? Will you suffer less if a loved one dies in a car accident? Since thugs make up a big percentage of those shot (gang-on-gang murders) then truly innocent people have more to fear from auto accidents.


I was hoping you'd do some research on John Lott's book because there are many google references to his work. He is preeminent in his field on guns.


Only liberal gun grabbers discredit him and they do so without considering his tremendous amount of information backed by stats and footnotes.
Here is an example of how liberals like Piers Morgan use emotion and name-calling while ignoring facts given him. This is a clinic on how emotion trumps logic.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


That's not very profound. It's like saying that all those hit by automobiles were killed by cars. Do away with cars.
I leave you with this..................John Lott does scholarly work and is an expert in his field. That probably means that it's not understandable to you.

johnlott.org/

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Now, now, they were more than just "slave owners" weren't they? Besides, not all of them owned slaves. To ignore what they accomplished is deceitful and dishonest.


Ironic for you to use the word "logical". You ignore that it's logical to defend oneself. Thousands of gun owners do so every year.


Your guarantee is worthless. In fact, it's naive.


I would like to live in the Garden of Eden. Problem is, we live on earth. Maybe it's purgatory.

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There is much evidence for the former; none for the latter.


Are you implying that all gun owners murder? I've previously explained that the lowest gun crimes are committed by people who legally own guns. Why take away guns from them?


It isn't? It is in the U.S.


Hmmm, Cypress, Greece, Italy, Portugal, et al.........Europe seems to have a head start in that direction.

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If the majority of Poles forget their history and don't want their fellow citizens to own guns than they deserve their slide into self-enslavement.

In recent years in the U.S, all but one of the crazy mass murders were committed in "gun free" zones. The cowardly killers knew there would be no opposition.

Additionally, as previously pointed out, tyrannical governments also know this and that's why they automatically ban their citizens from owning them.. That alone should be lesson enough.

afterthoughtsblog.net/2013/01/understanding-guns-in-america-natural.html


Barney won't read the following link because he abhors references; perhaps you will.

afterthoughtsblog.net/2013/01/understanding-guns-in-america-natural.html
From the link: "The acknowledged natural rights were life, liberty, and property {Locke called them life, liberty, and estate}. Keeping and bearing arms was attendant to these three; the ability to defend the three natural rights was considered the fourth natural right. It could even be said that keeping and bearing arms was the foundation for the natural rights."

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


I've made my pro gun positions very clear - but you are immune to logic and facts.
People have a right to self protection and beware of those trying to take away that right.


May your epiphany include rational thought, reason and of course free will.


It's true that some Founding Fathers owned slaves but that doesn't diminish their world-changing accomplishment(s). The sum of their works was bigger than they were and their writings revealed that.

Lots of people have defended themselves during home robberies and during violent assaults because they used their guns. It boggles the mine to think that some people want to take that natural right away from them.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Protecting oneself against violence seems to be too logical to the naive.


Oh, I probably do know. I've been to every European country except Albania, Bulgaria. and Lichtenstein. How 'bout you? Also, my long time business partner is an economist, but then, facts don't matter to you.


Yes, I've seen it work in Cuba (been there 2 times). The people pretend to be happy and that's the important thing (sarcasm).


It seems to be the same one you are making.


...then don't get one. You might try yoga though.


I thought it was something like that.


I have but that doesn't make me "great". Anyone with an ounce of logic can do that (to you).


It's called referencing, you should try it.


Once again, please post an alleged "crank" site of mine. You spew but you don't do.....


This is why you should try referencing. Facts are stubborn things.


No, no, no, don't you know it's the cucumber crowd that controls everything.


Ah Europe, the bastion of communism and socialism where the government elite decide what's best for you.
R


I'm itching to draw the pineapples out of my holsters.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

youtube.com/watch?v=OYa2ihn_m0Q

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Can you quote where I said that I was "great"? .......or is this more proof that your imagination runs away on you?


I'll ask you again. Please link a conspiracy site that I allegedly linked to. Canada is governed by a giant pineapple?? Um, some people do get confused when they go into a dream state and believe that to be reality. Watch out for those UFO's circling you this very minute.


If the European economy continues to collapse then you'll find out how safe Europe is. People who want to own guns should be allowed to do so. Those who don't want to own guns don't have to. It's called individual choice which is related to free will. As a responsible gun owner, I don't want people who emotionally distrust guns to tell me what I should possess and what I should not. That goes for other objects as well. In New York, the mayor is attempting to outlaw beverages that are 32 ounces and above because as a government bureaucrat, he knows what's best for us. This is a minor form of tyranny where the do-gooders want us to bow to their personal preferences.


Do tigers and lions kill their prey on "more equal grounds"? They often pick on sick buffaloes and other game that is weaker than they are.


Spoken like the tyrants you seem to agree with.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


My, my, I assert Second Amendment rights granted by a great document and you go 'off the reservation' again. "Conspiracy sites"?
Please post one. You seem to be the type of person who imagines fictional scenarios out of other peoples' beliefs; This sort of "Chicken Little"

thinking is "no way to go through life, son."


Except for German Nazi and sometimes Soviets. In the old days, the partitioned country had foreigners running around with guns, lances and swords.


Not even during the years 1939-1945? That's surprising...


That is the ultimate truth. Sadly, it is one which is too logical for those who prefer to be ruled.

.

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Only currently?


I don't want to fight anything. Should a tyrannical form of government take hold and suppress people as well as threaten my and my families lives then I would certainly oppose it and fight if necessary.


Their answer was a Constitution that eventually created the most prosperous and powerful country in the world. Now, what have you done?


In previous forums, you've been verbally spanked by me several times before and it seems that you're asking me for "one more please". lol


People have a right to bear arms and to defend themselves. Anything you interject outside of that is your "fantasy".

As to tactics, it would be idiotic to present them in a forum. Besides, you have to ask a specific question as to what "tyranny" means to you. Is it Fascist, Communist, gangster led, or what? Is there an occupying army; are people being shot in the streets en mass? etc. One size does not fit all. I will uphold the U.S. Constitution to the best of my ability and hopefully it will only be through voting and voicing my libertarian opinions as needed.

Illinois is the last state that still has not allowed 'conceal and carry ' but progress is being made (my application is in) and by Autumn the state should join the rest of the nation in this regard. Hypocritically, Illinois politicians are automatically allowed to carry a weapon and those who do are usually the ones who vote against the rest of their fellow citizens having the same right. More irony is the fact that Chicago had the strictest gun laws which seem to have prevented zero shootings. Restrictive gun laws only prevent good people from owning them.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


I'm almost finished building my own personal drone which is equipped with lasers. It's the size of a Higgs Bosom which makes it impossible to detect. My hunchbacked assistant Igor will test the lasers on himself.


Indeed, frequently without using guns.


Only authoritative governments kill that efficiently, usually in bulk.


Once again, most gun crimes are committed by people who already acquire weapons illegally. Evidently, I need to remind you that legal gun owners have the lowest crime rates than any other demographic but don't let logic interfere with your emotional responses to this subject.


Nigerian Pygmies

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


I'll ask you again. What is your question? Do you actually have one?


About 5% of those living in the south owned slaves. Some founding fathers did also, nevertheless, the Constitution was the first major democratic instrument which allowed people to elect their leaders and gave people civil rights. Granted that "Negroes" at the time were still not considered full citizens but the audacity of the document changed not only the U.S. but the world as well. The Constitution recognized hat people were born with certain "natural" or "inalienable" rights and that these included the right to "life, liberty and property." Government did not give people these rights; rather they are born with them and as such, no government can take them away.


The only taxes in 1776 were excise taxes, that is, tariffs on manufactured and imported goods. Most people worked their own land and ate what they produced. Shop owners lived off their sales, although many made some of their own products as well.

As to gun ownership, it would seem you agree with and ally yourself with some infamous people:
""All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns..." Mao Tze Tung,

"I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results." ....Benito Mussolini

""If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves."....... Joseph Stalin

""The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing."..............Adolph Hitler

You agree with the above tyrants yet you disagree with this guy: """A free people ought to be armed." – George Washington

Life / Don't Forget: Tomorrow, March 8 is Women's Day in Poland! [140]

To celebrate March; here are some discriminated against women who continue to struggle in the patriarchy;



Only one more day and "womens month" of March will be over with. To celebrate feminism, I give you some of the international goals of feminists in northern European countries. Of course censorship.plays a prominent role.

the-spearhead.com/2013/03/29/antifeminism-might-become-illegal-in-the-nordic-countries


This is the dumbest comment I've ever read in these forums.


Is that why feminists pass out cards to men at tech meetings threatening them if they say anything remotely negative about women? Is that why men in television are shown to be fools while the women are the smart ones; same goes for tv commercials. Is that why the nordic feminists in my link above cannot tolerate any criticism and indeed are attempting to pass draconian censorship laws?. Is that why men have to tiptoe in office work situations and be careful as to what they say? Unlike you, I've hired men and women and women get away with much more when it comes to comments. The list of examples is incredibly long but I'll stop here because your non understanding of the current realities is too embarrassing to comment on.

Life / Don't Forget: Tomorrow, March 8 is Women's Day in Poland! [140]

By extension, we're celebrating "Womens' Month" which is March.


Our universities and colleges have become infested with doctrinaire lefties who goose-step to "political correctness" in too many ways for me to note here. It would take pages. The following link is just one example of how men are downgraded. even in the sciences.................

openmarket.org/2012/07/10/quotas-limiting-male-science-enrollment-the-new-liberal-war-on-science

From the link: "Quotas limiting the number of male students in science may be imposed by the Education Department in 2013.......................................President Obama celebrated the fact that 25 percent fewer men than women graduate from college, calling it a "great accomplishment" for America. Ironically, he lamented the fact that a smaller gender disparity - 17 percent fewer women attending college than men - had once existed before Title IX was implemented. To Obama, gender disparities are only bad when they disfavor women. Under his strange idea of equality, equality means men losing out to women."


She is the first woman who became a billionaire on her own (not inherited). She aced out Ms Oprah Winfrey who had a great lawyer. He pushed her into syndication and told her where and when to sign.

As an aside, Ms Stewart is also of Polish ancestry and actually speaks some Polish.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


I couldn't find your question; what is it?


The free market allows people to purchase what they want, including guns. As to "corporate sponsors", are you referring to these guys?

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent"...........Thomas Jefferson
"When the people fear their government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people, there is liberty"................Thomas Jefferson

"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority"...................................................Ben jamin Franklin

""That government is best which governs least"......................................Thomas Paine

Much later, writer Robert A. Heinlein noted; "There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him." . He must have been thinking of Obamacare and many other nanny state executive orders that government bureaucrats 'feel' are good for us.


They didn't think that in 1776.

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The answers are logical and direct but they seem to bounce off you like some outer dimension you cannot comprehend. So, ask a question!


Stating a fact is not a boast.


The reality is that legal law abiding gun owners like myself have the lowest crime rate than any other group where guns are concerned. How does taking away guns from legal owners solve the murders which are usually committed by people who are not eligible to own guns in the first place? That's the question you gun grabbers cannot answer.

Lots of people in Chicago have defended their homes from break-ins because they were armed. Usually, such home owners do not report these incidents to police because of the [still] strict gun laws in Cook County They don't want to deal with the paper work and the political hassles. These same politicos also want women to be defenseless against attacks. If the police cannot protect you than you should be allowed to protect yourself.

Life / Don't Forget: Tomorrow, March 8 is Women's Day in Poland! [140]


I've always admired hard working southern women who understand their hard working men :)
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Your 'verbus interuptus' is always welcome (besides, you are not a name-caller)


Isn't it nice to run into a woman who actually exposes the reality of our "politically correct" world?

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Give me a hypothetical situation and I'll gladly explain.....


Ah, the 'race card' in all its overused glory strikes again. I'll speak of Chicago. Last year there were 511 murders in the city. 450 of the murders were minority-on-minority so you do the math. Almost always, the guns were obtained illegally as the criminal records of the gangsta's prohibit them from obtaining firearms.

Seems your liberal views blind you from the facts.

edit: Barney notes: "the gun crowd cannot answer any questions..."
You wouldn't understand the answer if it sat on your lap and called you 'honey' :)

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So was the whole American Constitution. Truth is eternal.


No; I'd rather fight a tyrannical government with modern weapons.


No, they are killed by thugs, usually gang members who shoot each other as well as innocent victims. They obtain guns illegally and don't subject themselves to background checks.


The way the gun grabbers make it sound, it's as if they commit 100%.....


Your sarcasm aside, the fact is that legal gun owners have the lowest incidence of gun violence, yet they are the ones who are being assaulted by the government bureaucrats who always know what's best for us (more sarcasm).

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Poles certainly would have appreciated owning guns in the years 1939-1945. Taking away guns from private ownership allows tyrannical governments to operate uninhibited. As Hitler noted; [i]"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."

Travel / Collection of dress codes in Poland - what to wear? [96]

Polish boys/men prefer wearing skirts/dresses or trousers?

....just thought I'd ask.

Life / Don't Forget: Tomorrow, March 8 is Women's Day in Poland! [140]


So true; these white knights enslave themselves to the old traditional standards of chivalry (which women want men to keep) yet men receive no new freedoms which advantage them. Women don't need to register for military service , are given many more dollars and programs in healthcare, insurance premiums are lower and of course there is that general deferment to women in areas of social conduct.

As Warren Farrell a male feminist who once headed the New York chapter of the National Organization for Women (NOW) noted; The political genius of the feminist movement was its intuitive sense that it could emphasize expanding the rights of women while avoiding expansion of any rights for men. In short, women were to retain all traditional deferments while at the same time demanding full equality in top management in business and government. Even female quotas are used for these top positions but rarely for ditch-digging, log-haul trucking, oil rig working, crane operations, etc, etc, etc. . Such a deal, eh?


Just to be accurate; the phrase "war on women" was started by feminists who love to repeat it (note Sandra Fluke of the "I'm discriminated against because my university doesn't give me free contraceptives" fame).


Most journalists come from cookie-cutter academic institutions that crank out liberal beliefs. It shows in the stories and articles which they deem relevant and in those they totally ignore.


You are touching on a subject which is controversial yet empirical experience suggests much validity to it. Women have even used 'emotion' as a defense for doing something criminal, including murder.

I give you this link for your scrutiny........
heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/02/28/women-are-more-emotional-than-men-because-of-biology/#comment-415711
I certainly don't totally agree with it but .................

From the link: "Women are more emotional, intuitive and illogical than men. Anyone who's lived a day in his life knows this. In the worlds of corporate industry, war-making and invention, perhaps these traits are setbacks. But women should not be measuring themselves by those standards, the standards of men. They should seek succor in the standards of women, and there - in the worlds of family, social cohesion, lawfulness, empathy and child-rearing - women excel and men struggle"

"Boys and men right now are off to a bad start from day one and those who don't go along with the female -privileged society are stuck on the sidelines. A boy's typical day might be one with a single mom, mostly female teachers who rarely give him a break, a culture that tells him he is a pervert, TV shows, bulletin boards and news shows portraying him as a rapist and domestic violence abuser and all around bad guy. It's no wonder men have opted out of an economy and culture that values them so little."..............................................Dr. Helen Smith (psychologist)