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News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


Precisely.


The charisma of Russian leaders at that time will play an important role.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


Not a Poland that has been violently ripped out of its conventional economic relationships.

Poland will lose all 35 years of prosperous development, and end up at a level it had not experienced even in 1989. All this burden - will lay down flat on the Russian federal budget.

Geniuses like Putin, will of course make it our collective job to ensure that Poland "does not live worse than the developed West".

This will begin with our familiar tools - "let's give the Poles essentially free energy - we have a lot." Then, "Let's lend the Poles $50-60B dollars, to shore up their economy - we got nothing to invest in anyway".

Eventually - nothing will work, the Poles will be angry at us, and Russians will be angry at Putin.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


No - I am trying to convince my compatriots that conquering and feeding Poland is a fool's errand. That, this amount of investment and effort should be dedicated to improving the lives of our countrymen instead.

"Feeding Poland" sounds like a punishment, if anything.

The alternative to feeding Poland (if we are to conquer this place), is ethnic cleansing and genocide. Not sure how many people have the stomach for this exercise.

Killing women and children only sounds "easy", but in reality it's very hard.

Off-Topic / USA News and Poland - part 17 [354]


Whoah!

I would have loved to be there.

I hope Rich lives to 120, and continues to write here until then.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]

We need a friendly Poland.

In general - we need a friendly East. In addition to Slovakia and Hungary with whom we are bosom buddies, we need good relations with the Poles and Bulgarians.

Romania can go f*ck itself.

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The way to be friendly with Poland is to let their relationship with Ukraine and with the EU run its course.

The more we intervene, the worse we make it for ourselves.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


What will we do with Poland, once we "have" it?

In Russian, there is a phrase - «чемодан без ручки» - or a "suitcase without a handle". That's what Poland would be for us.

Torn away from the Brussels teat, from their familiar markets, and established industrial cooperations - Poland will be ours to feed. How will you feed 38 million of them?

By taking from Russians, and giving to Poles? We already had such geniuses - like Stalin - that sent resources to our "socialist brothers" even as Russians starved to death.

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I think if invading Poland is a discussion people want to have - then it has to be pragmatic. You have to answer the three questions:

1) Why?
2) How?
3) Will we be able to keep it?
4) What benefit accrues to Russia and Russians at large?

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


Hahahaha!


Oh, this "someone" must be an exceptionally wise and erudite man.


Years of spending time on this forum, has really turned me around to the Polish perspective.

I'm sorry Grunnie, this must be exhausting as a Pole.

I read recently an article which discussed Nawrocki openly admitting that Poland is interested in acquiring nuclear weapons. Surprisingly enough for myself - I was not annoyed.

Now, I know why getting nukes is deadly for Poland, and probably an "unliftable" expense, but for the first time I did not feel annoyed as a Russian.

God knows Poles suffered enough - if they want nukes - maybe they should have them.

We have North Korea as a neighbor - and it has nukes.

America across the Bering Sea - and it's ok.

Huge border with China - and it has nukes - and everything is ok.

Poland with nukes, Poland without nukes - everyone will be ok. At least Poles will feel good.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


Very good, sir! At least some people still have standards.


Yes, very un-Slavic and un-Christian attitude from this gentleman.

Genocide is a very Western or bourgeois practice.

The Russian state is punitive in its nature, not exterminationist. It aims at controlling, or subjugating other peoples - not erasing them.

The proof of this is the continued existence in our country of Bashkirs, Tuvans, Chechens, Alans, Ingush, Khakas, Mordvin, Tatar, and other minorities.

At the same time, where are America's Apaches?


Knowing Pawian, he won't take the money. "Dirty Russian money" - he'll say.

Will have to get it to him, in a way that he cannot suspect its origins - yet would still lead to a higher quality of life than in German-occupied Gdansk.

Maybe, we could make him the honorary consul of the Republic of Tajikistan, in the Malopolskoye General-Gubernatorstvo.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


This hurts my feelings, but also confirms some of my long term suspicions.

For all your supposed Russophilia, you would still prefer German occupation to Russian occupation...

A person who truly loves Russia, would always prefer Russian occupation!

Look at Navalny - the minute the guy woke up from a coma (in Germany), he was in a hurry to go home - where he was promptly put in jail. This shows you - that a good person prefers a Russian prison to a German hospital.

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I was opposed to war with Poland, before reading this post.

Now I feel we have no choice but to invade, if only to ensure that Pawian has a more prosperous life than Kania.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


Well, Elon Musk yesterday retweeted Pavel Durov's (founder and owner of Telegram) post about the Moldovan elections.

See for yourself, below.

I don't think any one can credibly argue that Durov is an FSB agent. His Telegram app was banned in Russia a few years ago. He has left the country and has become a French citizen. He constantly criticizes the Putin government.

Durov has no need to carry water for Putin.

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News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]

What is happening - Poles?

What are you worried about today?

How can I make you feel more comfortable?

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


You are a funny fruit.

Do you understand how strange you look?

Where did you go to school? Me and Velund we shared this biographical information.

Do you live in Russia now?

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


Where are you from in Russia? What have your feelings been since February 2022?

Where do you think we should take this war, and how should we think about potential escalations?

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]

I have a strong suspicion Grabber is Novichok.

But everything else he wrote - he's a fraud.

Why are you doing this, sir? What's your interest?

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


This is nonsense, but something one might believe if he had been cursorily involved in the narrative.

What conversions? What's more - people were killed as consequence of not converting? This is some new history. M


This is bloomin nonsense.

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A dozen other little things.

Syntax.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]

Why do I have this strong feeling, that M. Grabber is as Russian as IKEA meatballs with lingonberry sauce?

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


I see you are a very stable genius.

You have convinced me - no more arguments from me.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


It's not just a big bomb.

It's quite literally thousands of times more powerful, than a big bomb.

A very, very big bomb - may contain 1 or 2 tons of explosive material.

A very, very, small nuclear bomb - like the one used at Hiroshima (Little Boy) - has a TNT equivalent power of 15 kilotons. That's 15,000 TONS of TNT.

That is, the Hiroshima bomb - a crude device made in 1945 - was already 7,000 to 15,000 times more powerful than the most powerful bombs.

Modern Russian nuclear devices, average 150-300 kilotons. That is - 10 to 20 TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN HIROSHIMA.

What's more, each missile carries 6 or more of these re-entry vehicles. So one Russian missile, can have an explosive yield of more than a megaton of TNT equivalent. So, it is 60 to a 120 times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

I think you are confused.


Very curious to understand what histories you are reading. The rest of the world, knows that only one bomb was dropped on Hiroshima - but Ron2 knows about 100.

Lol.

A modern Russian missile will make Hiroshima look like child's play.


Again - the "nuclear weapons" are warheads, or RE-ENTRY VEHICLES. There can be many, on a single missile.

When you understand this, then you can see that Russia has exactly the amount of nukes it needs.

The multiple re-entry vehicles are necessary, to ensure that the target will be destroyed - regardless of attempts to intercept it.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


Of course. We have the experience. Their last experience, was Vietnam mopping the floor with them - with Soviet assistance.


Well, the Financial Times article says they are interested in our airborne forces. Since Taiwan has a complex topography, with few beaches suitable for a large amphibious landing - the Chinese think that the airborne will play an important role.

They are studying our operations in Crimea in 2014, and at Hostomel airport in 2022. In both cases, Russian airborne successfully secured strategic airfields, and managed to hold them until the arrival of reinforcements.

In Crimea, it resulted in the end in a successful and bloodless takeover. Under Kiev, the regular Russian army let the airborne down, and eventually they began to be shelled from all directions by artillery - which damaged the runway, and ruled out the landing of any further aircraft.


The Russian Baltic Fleet has two jobs - mine all of the coastal vicinity, to make it impossible for NATO forces to land (in the short term), and fire off all their missiles at the predesignated targets in Europe.

After that, it can successfully sink, having done its job.

In general - Russia's strategy when it comes to Kaliningrad, is to wave around the nuclear baton. We can't defend it in a conventional sense, so we have to make it prohibitively expensive for Europe to try to invade it.

The best way to do that, is to convince everyone that we will nuke them if they invade Kaliningrad.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


That's a different discussion.

I was just curious why Ron thinks the Baltics are so important.

For Stalin they were important, so that the Baltic Fleet could not be bottled up in the Gulf of Finland.

But now the headquarters of the Baltic Fleet are in Baltiysk, Kaliningrad.

The Baltic ports, like Klaipeda and Riga were important for Russian exports, but since approx 2000 - Russia has built new railroads that bypass those assh*les.

There's nothing there except millions of senior citizens that will lay down like an anchor on our balance sheet.

After Ukraine - what would truly be nice to have - IMHO - are places like Azerbaijan (a good 15% addition to our daily oil production), Armenia (if we're pissing off Turkey, may as well surround it).


Not so junior, while we still have some things to teach them.

There are not many things left, but there is still the atomic power industry, aircraft manufacture, and of course the military.

Just today, this article was published, which I'm sure will make CMS Neuf laugh:

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News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


Now I am curious - why is half of Ukraine marginal, but control over the Baltics makes you an instant superpower?

They have a combined population of around 5 million people. 2 million of which are pensioners.

It was that Pole, Bzezinski, who said the following:

"It cannot be stressed enough that without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire, but with Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, Russia automatically becomes an empire."

Ukraine allows you to project power deep into the continent. It gives you borders with 3 additional EU states. It allows for direct connection to European electricity and pipeline grids. Instead of a Kaliningrad, which is a total liability from a defense point of view, you get a massive beachhead into Europe, with rock solid logistics stretching back into the heart of Russia. You get not 5, but 15-20 million people (if you take only the Left Bank).

Unlike the impenetrable swamps of the Baltics, you get the best farmland in the world.

With the Ukrainian Black Sea coastline, Russia goes from having about as much coastline as Bulgaria or Georgia, to having the longest coastline - longer than Turkey's.

So what's so special about the Baltics?

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [979]


Really? The way I read it, Trump has washed his hands of this war.


A fact that I'm sure delivers you tremendous joy.

Off-Topic / Whatever happened to ...? [20]

I would hate to die, and then have one of my loved ones inadvertently discover all of Bobko's posts.

Conclusion - must live forever and guard my anonymity.

Polonia / What do Poles think of how they are treated in Germany, in comparison to the Muslim migrants [181]


Yes, but when you have external attack, rape, or murder attached to your already indigenous rates - I feel it is fully normal for the population to ask questions. No?

Like, "Why exactly must we suffer this?"

And if you give them arguments about: "poor demographics", "structurally unbalanced budgets", and "declining labor productivity" - they are not very happy to receive them.

BB is a super nice guy, and he still says these things. This should be a warning sign to others.

Polonia / What do Poles think of how they are treated in Germany, in comparison to the Muslim migrants [181]


I don't like it. But I think it has a right to exist, just as Voodoo, and Rastafarianism, and Hinduism, and other -isms can exist.

I don't think the bad behavior of Muslims, is due to a some fundamental evil within their scripture. I think it has to do with demographics, historical accidents, and bedrock-level encoded behavior in tribal societies - which existed long before Muhammad made his first speech.

Many of my very good friends are Muslims - and they are very intelligent and very caring people.

I think your problem is you are importing the trash of Syria, Libya, Pakistan, etc. Trash is trash - anywhere in the world.

Polonia / What do Poles think of how they are treated in Germany, in comparison to the Muslim migrants [181]


Did you read it all, lol :)

Polonia / What do Poles think of how they are treated in Germany, in comparison to the Muslim migrants [181]


It's just something I feel, sitting here. But if you want links, here's one:

middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/far-right-activists-advocating-palestinians

Trump recently said: "My people are very angry with Israel." That's important. Because Trump himself doesn't believe in anything. He's not antisemitic, and he's not pro-Semitic. He honestly does not give a f*ck about the Jews. But what he cares about is how his "base" feels. And the base is angry.

One of the more prominent people who went on a serious "anti-Israel" bent, was Charlie Kirk - who got shot recently. Ditto Steve Bannon.

The "actual" Nazis of America, have been spending lots of ink discussing Hitler's positive views on Islam, and his plans for the Middle East.

I think Netanyahu inadvertently dialed the clock back to 1935 with his actions.

Polonia / What do Poles think of how they are treated in Germany, in comparison to the Muslim migrants [181]


In America - the real far right - not whatever Democrats want to frame as the far right (but is in reality just moderate conservatism)... has become almost completely Pro-Palestinian.

That is, White Supremacists, or Nazis - in other terms - are now Pro-Palestinian.

Now, they never liked Jews to begin with, but in the post 9/11 world they had made some awkward alliance in opposition to the fanatical Islam.

Just like you BB, their frustrations about the "brownification" and "Islamization" of America, led them into an awkward alliance with Israel.

So then, what happened since October 7th, represents a true 180 in far right views.

It's not that Muslims are "up", it's just that Jews are "down".