Off-Topic / USA News and Poland - part 16 [1012]


If you expect Alien to know what the Didache is... then maybe you are not so smart as I thought you are.

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Goddamn Indians and Pakistanis.

They seem to have no "brakes".

Even Bangladesh - has more people than Russia.

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You should be happy - at least they are native English speakers (at least those that emigrate).

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This alone.... should make an intelligent person stop and think.

Either you are allowing Russia to "own" all the bad chapters of your history, and you treat yourself as some newborn babe - innocent to the sins of the world...

or you admit you are as ancient as Russia, but simultaneously take some responsibility.

To listen to them, they were created in 861 AD, and were then rapidly placed into some cryogenic chamber - to be opened only in 1991. Emerging blameless like the Son of God.

Every sin is chalked up to Russia's account.

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Turkey is doing a terrible job at it. Malaysia has a TFR of 1.5 or so.

Our Tatars are also forgetting to reproduce.

It seems even Islam is not impervious to modern pressures on the family.

Just wait for those Sudans and Malis to catch up in development, and they will stop making kids abruptly too.

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It's the Volhyn stuff.

Every time you guys get close to some kind of understanding, Volhyn blows things up again.

Ukrainians GENUINELY do not understand you, or your position. To be completely honest - neither did I - until I spent years on this forum.

They really sincerely think that you are "stirring the pot" for no good reason, other than that you know they are weak right now and rely on your help.

They feel you are abusing the leverage, in order to make them admit something terrible which will be forever a stain on their national heroes. This - while they defend you from Russian imperialism with their bodies.

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I even watched an interview where Sikorski and Sonya featured - and it was clear there that Sikorski was shocked at the genuine level of incomprehension he encountered on the subject.

Being a diplomat, he used some very kind interpretation of what was happening.

If Russians are infantile, then Ukrainians are twice as infantile. They think they are some perfect Marvel superheroes, and everyone should kiss their feet. They have no capacity to admit any wrongdoing, because their conception of self is so impossibly fragile.

They are building a Ukrainian national identity with scotch tape and glue... this identity is not yet ready to collide head on with historic events like ethnic cleansings.

You heard it from them - we are Orcs, and they are Elves. Elves are perfect.

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I don't know about Muslims, but I definitely hate Islam.

Stupid religion - designed for children. It cannot provide the same "brain f*ck" as Catholicism or Orthodoxy can.

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Sort of a carryover from the other thread (Admin move if necessary), but one of the primary reasons the Ukrainians hate you is because of the Jews.

Polish nobles did not collect taxes from their Ukrainian peasants themselves. Instead they outsourced the job to Jewish "tax farmers". As long as the Jewish tax collector paid the Pan what he was owed, he did not care what sort of depredations the Jew unleashed on the Ukrainians.

At some point - Poles and Jews began to meld in the Ukrainian imagination. It's the origin of the aphorisms like, "Worse than a Jew, can only be a Polish merchant".

In the 1930s and 1940s, Ukrainian fascists ranked their hatreds in the following priority order: "Jews, Poles, Muscovites".

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Poland will need some level of gun control - in any case. Because you have a country next door, that's full of literally millions of small arms.

Even in America you can't own a fully automatic rifle (in most instances). In Ukraine, you have your pick from the AK-74, the M4 Carbine, the FN SCAR, or FAL - if you are in the market for an assault rifle. It won't set you back more than $700-1000.

Payment is done in cryptocurrency, and then the weapon is dropped off in some inconspicuous bush or inside a drainage pipe - the geolocation of which is shared with you through WhatsApp. Just come with a little suitcase, or some trash bag, so people don't see you walking down the street with an assault rifle.

If you are in the market for something more serious, like a 0.50 cal Barret sniper rifle, or an M60 machine gun - $3,000-5,000.

European law enforcement has already been ringing the alarm bells for years. The borders with Romania and Hungary are especially porous.

Maybe you can't steal a tank, or an armored personnel carrier... but you can definitely steal anything smaller in Ukraine - and no one will ever bother to report it or look for it.

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It's what Iron's video says.

Your moms have always lived in Poland. Then some gopniks from the East arrived, killed their husbands, and planted their Orc seed.

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Haha, yes.

I have a Ukrainian friend here in NY, Vladislav, and he is about 195 centimeters tall and weighs about 120 kilograms.

Simultaneously, I have some non-Ukrainian friends who are professional "Ukraine haters".

When they meet Vlad, they suddenly begin to talk in a way I never get to hear from them, when it's just us. Suddenly, their approach to the conflict is very nuanced - and all they talk about is its infinite complexity. Hahaha!

Easy enough to hate each other on the internet, but when they come face to face Russians and Ukrainians are almost always the embodiment of courtesy itself.

Sure, there are videos of some deranged Russian Karen yelling slurs at Ukrainians in the Istanbul airport. Videos of Ukrainian drunks crashing bottles of wine over Russian drunks heads at some football match in Marseille. But it's not representative...

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Here in New York, many Russians I know, attend Ukrainian charity drives, go to the same church, and appoint each other as godparents to their kids.

War is war. Life is life.

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Oh boy... now the truth comes out!

Our guys came and raped all the local women, that had been living there since time immemorial.

Good Germanic women, faithful to Wodan, fell to Asiatic barbarians from the swamps and forests of the East. Such shame!

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You are right - it's universal.

In America, Southerners still hate Northerners. The Middle hates the Coasts, and it all revolves around "who owes who".

The poorer, rural regions feel they "feed" coastal America. The gun loving South, feels they protect the effeminate North, by enlisting in the military disproportionately or actually dealing with the waves of migrants that Northerners can only read about.

In the same way Ukraine expects things from Poland and Czechia for defending them, American Southerners feel they are owed recognition for being hardline on national security and immigration.

Southern Italy hates Northern Italy - for purported abandonment and arrogance. Poland B hates Poland A - for the same reasons. East Germans hate West Germans. Northern Chinese hate Southern Chinese.

People have some deep sensor inside their ass which measures the "fairness" of things.

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In America, the broadcast standard - also known as General American English - is Mid-Western in origin.

All the people on CNN and Fox News talk like they are from Chicago or somewhere in Ohio.

It has practically no "accent", or no "regional" identifiers like a New York or Texan accent would have.

Neutral, sterile, clean.

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No no, there are dozens of dialects. I meant the official three groups within the Russian "family" of peoples.

But Russian dialects are really tame in comparison to English or German ones. Everybody can easily understand each other.

The three main dialects within "Great Russian" Russian, are: (1) Northern, (2) Central, and (3) Southern. Then there are many smaller subdialects: Siberian, Pomorian, Central Asian, Baltic, Caucasus.

The literary and tv broadcast "Golden Standard" of Russian is the Moscow dialect (with some St. Petersburg influence). A lot of people actually find it quite harsh on the ear, or even annoying. Moscow people make high pitched sounds like 16 year old girls, and stretch their "As" to infinity.

The most even sounding Russian, is to my ear at least - the Uralic variety.

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This is the "Great Russian Chauvinist" (as Lenin would call it), or "Imperialist/Nationalist" position (as modern Ukrainians would call it).

Historically (in Imperial times), the Russian "folk" was divided into three groups. Great Russians (current Russians), Little Russians (current Ukrainians), and White Russians (Belarus).

The Ukrainian language was called the "Little Russian dialect", or "Malorosskiy Dialekt". It is actually spoken in a wider area than just modern Ukraine. People also speak a slightly more archaic version of it on the Russian side of the border. In the Belgorod, Kursk, Rostov, Krasnodar regions.

So the "High Russian" was called "Great Russian". It was the main language of USSR-level television, radio, film, etc. So, in this way everyone knew it too like High German.

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So Austria then, or Switzerland?

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Yes we all have a little chip on our shoulder, hehe. On our left shoulder!


I wouldn't say it's "easy". Maybe like for a Prussian to understand a Bavarian at the beginning of the 20th century.

Only 60-70% of the words are the same. The others are borrowed from Polish and other languages, and usually don't make sense to a Russian unless he reads a lot.

Pronunciation-wise there's a huge difference, more than the lexical gap. Ukrainians make a bunch of sounds we don't make, or that sound funny to us.

Also the understanding works differently in either direction. 100% of Ukrainians understand Russian, but maybe only 50-60% of Russians may be able to follow a Ukrainian conversation.

Maybe it's the same in Germany? Where 100% of Bavarians can readily understand Northerners, but only 50-60% of Northerners can easily understand Bavarians?

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Just for some more context, for people unfamiliar with Gogol...

The line above is spoken by Taras Bulba, the protagonist of the book, to his son Andriy. Taras Bulba is a grizzled Ukrainian warlord, who symbolizes the Orthodox faith, the Cossack way of life, and eternal resistance to the Polish-Lithuanian Catholic nobility.

Andriy is Taras' good-for-nothing youngest son. Unlike loyal and pious Ostap (the Hector), Andriy is a sh*t for brains that follows the commands of his dick (Paris, to continue the Iliad analogy). He betrayed the Cossacks and joined the Polish side out of love for a Polish noblewoman.

Finally, one day Taras confronts him on the battlefield, and before executing him, delivers this line as a final judgment.

«Ну что, помогли тебе твои ляхи?»

Moral of the story - you can be loyal to Poles, but the Poles will value your loyalty for nothing. Meanwhile, your "bros" will surely come for you - and remember all your Polonophilia.

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Genuine question - what can one discuss with the Virgin during an entire hour, every single day?

I find it hard to talk to my brother or mother for more than 20 minutes every few days. Not because I don't enjoy their company, but because I find that I don't have very much to say. That is - I need more time, for more events to accumulate - so there is then something to discuss.

I'm not Belousov, and I don't have the lives of thousands of men on my conscience - so maybe I don't understand something...


I really wish we had an active Ukrainian poster on this forum. One who could be somewhat objective, instead of just a patriotic bot like the previous two we had.

Anything I write about Ukrainian attitudes towards Poland will be immediately suspect, because of the source...

Nonetheless - I read Ukrainian newspapers daily. Every other evening I tune in to watch their evening talk shows (which frequently feature top officials). Probably around 25% of my Twitter feed is Ukrainian language. I follow several Ukrainian public persons on Facebook.

I can tell you - the feelings are... complex.

1) There is some sense of inadequacy when comparing themselves to Poland.

2) At the same time, this state of being less developed and much poorer than Poland, somehow feels to them as a violation of the natural order of the universe.

3) This inadequacy/shame, leads to a constant search for some kind of justification. "They became rich off our backs," or "The Russians held us back," or "The EU pumped them full of cash".

4) The shame deepens through the low class of work done by Ukrainians in Poland. Drivers, retail clerks, janitors, nannies, etc.

5) Finally shame turns to anger, and then full blown delusions of "Cossackism" (equivalent of Polish Sarmatism or Japanese Samuraism).

6) Poland constantly needling them with the Volhyn Massacres doesn't do any good. Not only are they treated as "the help", they are also being told that they are bloodthirsty apes suffering from historical amnesia. This sends them ballistic with fury.

And in general - the cultural undercurrent in Ukraine, for centuries, was extremely Polonophobic. In Ukraine, the novel Taras Bulba plays the same role, if not larger, as Ogniem i Mieczem plays in Poland. The whole book is one long anti-Polish screed.

The most quoted line from the book, that every single Ukrainian child knows, is "Well, did your Poles help you?".

This line has been quoted 10 million times by Ukrainians over the past two years, as Polish farmers dumped their grain onto highways, truckers blocked the border control points, and governments refused to hand over aging MiG jets.

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In pure mathematical terms - we lost several hundred thousand men, but gained approximately 3-5 million additional citizens.

Through this kind of Satanic math - the war is providing good returns.

Take into account the coal, the metals, the gas, the rare earths - and you could really make an argument that the investment "works".

If you are especially cynical - you could argue that we lost a "lower quality" of material than the Ukrainians. Convicts, chronically unemployed, low education, low income... vs yesterday's "lawyers", "doctors", "film directors", "businessmen", etc.

Their losses are truly irreparable.... ours not so much.


Yes. Prays 5 times a day, like a Muslim. Begins every morning by spending an hour in his private chapel, conversing with the Virgin.

For this reason, many people think he's not "all right" in the head.

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Sometimes the person is so bent out of shape, that he cannot climb into the cart. I've seen several such videos.

At this point, several of his friends might reappear from some collection of bushes, toss him into the drone, and then immediately run back for cover.

If it's the second echelon of an attack arriving on a BMP - the BMP might deploy smoke and do a little half circle around the wounded man - obscuring vision - and then try to pick him up fast.

Sometimes nobody comes - and you have to either shoot yourself, or try to crawl back to your lines.

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According to the best estimates, Russia has suffered approximately 1 million casualties in this war thus far. Of that, approximately 110-150K are Killed in Action. A further 250-350K are otherwise irreplaceable losses (amputations, mostly).

But the other half a million suffered superficial or non-incapacitating injuries and were likely returned into action. There are cases where a single infantryman suffered 7 or more injuries, and each time returned to fight.

So "evacuation" does happen - and in large numbers. "Battlefield medicine" exists - and is in much better shape than 2022 (when it was embarrassing to compare our first aid kits to the Western ones Ukraine was provided with).

In fact, Belousov (the new minister of defense), has made "battlefield medicine" an especial priority. Now everyone has top quality tourniquets and clotting agents.

The drones used for evacuating casualties is also his introduction largely.

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If China followed Gorbachev's example and greeted the people on Tianamen Square with flowers and candies - there would be no China now. At least, not as we know it now - as a Great Power.


I'm sure Uyghurs and Tibetans also view things differently than the Han Chinese.


Why don't you try evacuating that wounded soldier yourself? When you are lying by his side, similarly full of shrapnel - with a Ukrainian drone hovering above you, recording your death for Twitter and Facebook - perhaps it would make you view things differently?

Evacuation is often impossible in this war - unless you are advancing. Because we are advancing, we are able to return to the Ukrainians ten times the amount of bodies they are able to return to us.

As the battlefield starts becoming your rear, it's easy enough to go and collect all the bodies and ship em back to the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians are only able to send us back the bodies that pile up after an UNSUCCESSFUL assault.

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The few videos I had seen, where Russian soldiers appear to shoot wounded comrades - it's clear that the wounded person is the one requesting it.

Besides concern for the men that will likely get killed trying to evacuate you... there is also the fact that Ukrainian drone operators are sadists. They will taunt a wounded man by flying around him in circles. They'll play games with him.

Nobody wants to be a clown for Ukrainians in the last 15 minutes of his life.

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There are uncrewed ground drones now that do much of the evacuation work. Basically a remotely controlled cart. The wounded guy only has to be able to climb inside, and then the drone will carry him back to his lines.

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It cannot be stopped, to try to do so - would be suicidal, not just for the individual but likely for the Russian state as well.

They say that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Russia's history is the best example of this.

1) The "good" Decembrists... in their drive for liberalism - freaked out the Tsar to such an extent, that we got an autocratic backlash that lasted for nearly half a century. While Europe modernized, we sat in a dark dungeon, thanks to their work.

2) The "good" Democrats in the Spring of 1917 succeeded in toppling the monarchy and burying the empire. They also lost us WW1, which led to the independence of Finland, Poland, the Baltics. They plunged the country into a Civil War. They handed it over, ultimately, to the Bolsheviks.

3) The "good" and "virtuous" Gorbachev, destroyed the largest country on Earth, destroyed our alliances, and plunged the country into two decades of poverty. China meanwhile, carefully took notes, and instead ran their own people over with tanks in a public square. Now China has one of the largest economies in the world, and we export mainly oil and metals.

The "good guys" don't really have a good reputation in Russia. They usually make things much worse. Only some nice literature, some nice music, and some nice art can be considered a positive side effect.

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Better question is - how has Russia ever betrayed Poland?

Did we use you as cannon fodder, while holding our men back?

Did we ever stop at your border - and announce the mission complete - or did we liberate you fully and then others?

Did we rob your industry and your treasure - leaving you on a starvation diet - or did we help you rebuild?

When has a Russian ever asked a Pole to do something, that a Russian wasn't willing to do himself?

What is betrayal? Occupation? Conquest? That's not betrayal.

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Tough words, from a slithering grey worm who has never worn a uniform, or sacrificed for someone else without asking for anything in return.

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By grieving together, in the way only a brother can grieve.

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For Zinedine Zidane - any humiliation is worth it. Don't forget Benzema as well.

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France was losing from the beginning.

The Algerians kicked them out without any hope.

The CIA, and then the US Army had to bail them out of Vietnam.

In the end, the US did not do any better in Vietnam.

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We'll make it right.

One day, no one will even remember that there was a brief thirty year period of being separated from Russia.

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We have a deep, deep, debt before the people of Kherson.