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In America, that has been declining ever since corporate life became more desirable for the most talented. They more often nowadays work in big business rather than public service.

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Nor does he.

The general election is in 2029.

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More fantasy.

The Tories started them, Labour are trying to g to stop them.


One reason that it's a fantasy that Labour are somehow OK with the current wave of migration.
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Anyone who has "come in" has nothing to do with the 1 in 1 out deal, have they...

I'm still waiting to hear about the mobile phones and driving lessons that you claimed the public purse is providing

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No they weren't. That is the number for a year to 1/9/25.


Under the deal with France, if 6 go out, 6 ome in.

You obviously believe the propaganda, largely coming fromn malign state actors.


History. Sadly, history that has had devastating effects.


The demands of the 'citizenry' were for a Labour government. The biggest issue among voters polled is the Health Service, something that still works despite being deliberately run down.

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He got slaughtered and it's no surprise his team tried to conceal that.

When push comes to shove, he was just some YouTube student demagogue.

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That's barely started and is neither here nor there.


About 35,000.as of a month or so ago.

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Yet the failed Conservative government buried their heads in the sand, leaving it for their successors to sort out. It is a complex task.


My feeling too, however thanks to the United Nations, if they claim asylum, their case has to be considered and they have to be accommodated. The accommodation is in dumps (I have been in one) however to hear the righturd moaners, you'd think they were living in luxury.


Denial of that was what the conservatives were doing. Partly through incompetence and partly because they knew they'd be out of office for a decade and wouldn't have to deal with it. Now, asylum applications are being processed and visa overstayers are being deported.


Of course not.

Some of them are actually disappointed when a serious crime hits the breaking news and the perp turns out to be white.

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Do Merkela and other German conservatives even believe that themselves?


Good news. May many follow

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Or just deliberately evolve a system resistant to sudden change or political foibles. And above all resistant to American PR techniques.


Dead. A failed conservative initiative.

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Evidently we are.

As you know, populists say things to grab attention. Many have done so and many will.

In an extremely stable electoral democracy of course, it takes a lot more than that,

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So basically you agree with me; what that party is saying is just PR and what matters is the votes.

You can easily appreciate that the imminent problems mentioned will very much act against that party.

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Nor of course does it mean they do.

We've been there before, several times. The reform thing is nothing new and the only system that matters works against such organisations.

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So the polling predicts four years in the future?

It's normal for any government to drop and various rivals (including new minor parties like his; there have been three or four so far) to attract early interest. Do you think that reflects what happens at the polling stations several years after?

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He's got one already. We've always been independent.


They alll say that since it's a way of riling up the poorly educated. Talk is cheap.


Focus, Anthony, focus.

They have a very small percentage of local councils and only 6 MPs, one elected on a 6 vote majority in a by election held due to the previous MP beating up a constituent in the street and being jailed for it. The only performance that matters is in the general election. We had one 12 months ago and they did far worse than they hoped or anyone feared.

As people were told earlier, the next election is four years away.

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Pretty well.

The MAGA PR teams and their backers can deal with the fact that he was a low life; so was Horst Wessel, also a youth agitator who was shot dead.

Here are some quotes from him

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Don't be a doilum,


They were on the rise due to rhetoric about immigration however their voter base is older and, as you know, the first past the post system is very effective against newer parties.

Also, people are realising that the channel dinghies issue is in very large part Farage's fault; it is a direct result of brexit which he was involved in. Interestingly, if there was a referendum to rejoin held now, a solid majority would vote for that. Additionally, the current government has denied more asylum applications than any previous one and have only just started removing people in large numbers. Aside from the rather lame one in one out thing, the thousands of visa overstayers are now being removed.

What do you think about Farage? Especially his links to dodgy regimes, dodgy businesspeople and the many scandals within his party?

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Yes, you are right for once. He is the martyr their far right were hoping for and are milking now.

They wouldn't be the first regime to try that.

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Focus, Anthony, focus...

Sentiment, specially in snapshot opinion polls changes fast. The next six months or so are not looking great for that party for reasons outlined already.

In a way we are talking about out the next election, in that it is all that can change a government.

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If "well" meant having 6 seats out of 650, then you'd be right. However they aren't.

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Media shtick.


You mean Labour? The Liberal Party a fairly small thing and solidly centrist. Labour (centre left) are in power now, and have had a dip in popular they got most of t( unpopular stuff done in the first year. They've benefitted from the rather old fashioned electoral system which favours the main parties and makes it hard for newcomers.

Their emergence (and their and their chums' PR spend) is a worry, however as mentioned, the next election is four years away and that is a lifetime in politics.

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Photogenic, plays the clown.

Extremely wealthy (much of it inherited). His kids are German and don't have much to do with him. He has a lot of backers in finance who know how to make a fast buck out of instability (a lot of fortunes were made betting on brexit) and they pay a lot for online promotion, bots, his face everywhere
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In the last poll of who would make the best prime minister, he didn't do very well.

And his main donor's trial (starts this month) promises to be a good one.

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There's no general election due anytime soon.

The next one is four years away.


They,'re less likely to win anything in parliament than their supporters want or the tabloids hope. Even if they did, they could change very little due to the system there. The more dramatic promises they've made are legally unachievable. They also appeal to less educated and poorer older voters, not a group known for longevity or quality of life in old age.

So far, they got a majority in a handful of mostly rural local councils and have done spectacularly badly with increasing negative publicity. Some of the weirder stunts like the flags are less popular than they hoped.

There's also something much much bigger just round the corner; a big trial involving one of their main donors, r*SSian money and corruption and their party leader's name will be much mentioned regarding campaign funding. This will get a lot of attention.

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We've seen all those daft memes before on dodgy bits of the internet. The6 appeal to people who find reading a chore.

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