News / Will America send troops to fight a Russian invasion of Baltics and/or Poland? [281]


Really Jon? You could see russian troops invading polish territory? With boots on the ground?

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....that doesn't sound good!

I don't want Germany to act neutral when the West and NATO decide to stand up against Putin....Scholz and Baerbock will have to show their true colors rather sooner than later!

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....yeah....that too!


I really don't think it could become worse....I don't want to!

And since the most pro-Putin party in Germany barely made it into the new Bundestag I have hopes we are not really THAT pacifist and appeasing anymore....

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Fits the discussion! I never knew Canada pays as less as Germany.....



reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/r4zzin/a_lapse_in_the_defences/

News / Will America send troops to fight a Russian invasion of Baltics and/or Poland? [281]

....but not that an own european army would become cheaper!

News / Will America send troops to fight a Russian invasion of Baltics and/or Poland? [281]


I can't disagree with that....

An own army would be much more expensive for Germany too, come to think of...

16 years of Merkel definitely left their bad mark! I wonder why Obama loved her so much though....he must have known too that she did sh*it for NATO and had no qualms to work with dictators!

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Would you support the building of an EU army? It could take alot of stress from you and Rich....

News / Will America send troops to fight a Russian invasion of Baltics and/or Poland? [281]


....like Hitler with the Wehrmacht! He could own it...for awhile....but he would never be able to hold it...and in the end he will lose all and everything!

News / Will America send troops to fight a Russian invasion of Baltics and/or Poland? [281]

Yeah....well....maybe not the best time....

News / Will America send troops to fight a Russian invasion of Baltics and/or Poland? [281]


In the end that would mean the US would have no army anymore....I guess in consequence the US would be to busy somehow defending itself, without an army, than thinking about defending peoples from another continent.

Maybe then the Euros would need to come over to help? ;)

But the idea is nice...

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It will....especially if it's poor families....they will still be alot better off than many others who lost the father and the husband and the sole breadwinner!

military.com/benefits/survivor-benefits/surviving-family-benefits.html


No Euro decides if and when it's time for the soldier to uphold his part of the deal....if that consoles you!


PS: I'm a German, that argument doesn't wash with me....just imagine the US would had Europe left alone already in WWI.....there is an argument to be made that there wouldn't be a Hitler....and no WWII.....but that would be off topic!

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Thing is it's a voluntary army.....nobody was gang pressed into it as it was during Vietnam....alot of them are immigrants, alot of them poor boys grabbing the chance of a regular income, a good education, good medical services and a future generally they would otherwise never have with both hands.

It's a deal....hopefully done with both eyes wide open and a clear mind!

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*nods*

That leads me back to my post from a few days back after the german election....Putin had quite a good and comfy running with 16 years of Merkel....but if Baerbock only keeps half of her political statements concerning Russia and China true we are in for a big change...but that was the opposition speaking, now she is part of the gov....we have to wait and see!

(One must'n also forget that the new Chancellor will be SPD Scholz...not Baerbock)


Na ja....from a german viewpoint....the russian gas had been always trustworthy....even during the high times of the Cold War the Russians always delivered! So, in many ways keeping that gas vault open was a sure, safe, pragmatic thing to do!

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That is clear.....but everything else is possible....for the good and the bad!


That was clear as day for power-pragmatist Merkel....but that would make our idealists in the new government look real bad....they will likely prefer to end that dependence!

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We don't know yet who will become Minister of defence...only that he/she will most likely placed by the SPD...

News / Will America send troops to fight a Russian invasion of Baltics and/or Poland? [281]


Merkel will be gone soon....the cards will be newly shuffled in Berlin!

News / Will America send troops to fight a Russian invasion of Baltics and/or Poland? [281]


Because Putin has still to many friends and supporters also in Brussels....politicians who still prefer "talks and trade" with Russia (Nordstream 2 anybody?) But that would all end after a real invasion of a peaceful foreign country!

(And this time it would be a real invasion....no framed "liberation" of homies)

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How will it help his power invading and ruling over an hostile country? Longterm that always ever meant loss....an unending strain on the resources and tanking of the international standing....I'm not even mentioning the economical price to pay.....the EU might have no army but an economically totally sanctioned Russia will be a poor Russia very soon. And the moment his disgruntled while suffering followers start to doubt the intelligence of Putin's decisions it's only a matter of time till he's gone....

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Yeah....and getting his country again isolated and treated like a pariah is his goal, you think?

He could and did book Crimea under "successes" because of the Russians there....as with the Sudetenland and Hitler....a felt huge injustice got straighened out.

But Ukraine? The Baltics? What beef have the common Russians there? How should war there help him? Don't forget the powerful russian oligarchy which wants to trade and to travel and enjoy the nice life in the West...


Only if the environment and the variables are the same (or at least still similiar).....but they aren't! The hot spots have moved away....new global player have come up....

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I doubt it....he is no Hitler....if something Putin has enough its territory and "Lebensraum".....and besides the Crimea there isn't anything else really disputed, or is there?


I really don't see the future default lines between Russia and the EU or anywhere in Europe for that matter. We had our time and that is history!

The real future wars will between China and allies and the West and allies.....and in that conflict all need to chip in or all will lose....geography won't save anybody then!

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...okay guys....come down all....there won't be any nuclear war in Europe....

Crimea was alot like the Sudetenland....the West hesitated to call Putin out on it because it always has been a disputed territory with most of the people living there not especially unhappy about coming back to Mother Russia.

But that was it! Any other land grabbing will not be disputed at all...

And economical sanctions and political isolation hurt alot more....you have seen it with Lukashenko. The only thing he will get out of it is making the EU rethink real high real stable outer borders!

PS: China wants to get back Taiwan, they will have their hands full with that soon too...

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Heh:) That's an idea.....

And it is actually not far from the truth! No migrant dreams of living in Germany to live a green life....they dream of fast, loud, stinky cars.....they want to buy lotsa nice things in our temples of consumerism, not caring if that stuff is "fair" produced by people with acceptable wages....they want to eat meat, at least three times a day without a thought for the animals......they don't care if the groceries are "wholesome" Bio....

Living "sustainable" in accordance with nature without to much CO2 and electricity and consumption, a life full of abstinence, they could also live in whatever backward sh*tholes they just left...but thats not what they want....to the contrary!

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A lot will hang on Germany's new totally inexperienced foreign minister Baerbock....she is no Merkel....I hope she will end Merkel's "diplomatic style" of shady backroom deals and "phone calls" with dictators over the heads of our neighbours....

Baerbock is still more european idealism and yet alot less Merkel-power-pragmatism....that will be interesting to watch...Putin will for sure like to test her mettle!

I hope she has a plan...

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Erm....that would put me back again into their zone....I would not like that!

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]


Well....he showed the West how pissed off he is about those sanctions...that he did! :)

They must work, the EU would be stupid to end them now!


Congrats and THANK YOU Poland! :)


I read today that he offered to help them to go home but many said into the international cameras they don't even think about leaving....really awkward!

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]


No, you don't! You couldn't hurt a fly in real life....admit!

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]


Winter is coming....it gets colder by the day....I really really really wish they would go home now to avoid worse....and that Lukashenko lets them...

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]

Will he let these people there freeze to death?

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]

Could be!

It seems that the green politician Annalena Baerbock is set for the position of foreign minister (till now Heiko Maas). Beside that she has zero experience in any kind of important governmental job and isn't that close with telling (or writing) the truth generally, she is an outspoken adversary of Nord Stream 2 and not a friend of Putin at all.

Of course, being part of the government brings always some changes to some positions compared to the time in the opposition (Realpolitik!) but I could believe that Putin did put away the Champagne unopened as the news of this came out of Berlin yesterday...


politico.eu/article/baerbock-against-operating-permit-for-nord-stream-2/

...The green co-leader also believes that providing Nord Stream 2 with a regulatory approval would be contrary to European rules.The Nord Stream 2 AG company, which will own and operate the pipeline, is wholly owned by Russian giant Gazprom, which goes against the EU's gas directive. "As long as that is one and the same corporation, the operating permit must not be granted," Baerbock argues. ...

Could become interesting! :)

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....any news about the (a) wall?