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1. Your comment was based on my quote though which you made clear with your "Now we are home. Finally...

So..."

2. Who are you addressing then?


Yes, you wrote that in response to what I wrote, which makes no sense, because that's not what I meant. I am not in favour of abortion "on demand", so what you wrote about those "100,000 human lives ended" is manipulation and simply put - bullsh1t.


They do matter to me. And what do you care about Polish fetuses in Poland? You don't even live here.

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And to the people in India and China. Do you know the numbers for those countries for the abortion of female "fetuses"? Why do you never complain about that?


What on Earth are you talking about? Where did I write that I'm in favour of abortion "on demand"?


Who are you even talking to? Who is "you" again?

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I don't know exactly, but for me even one was one too many.

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What on Earth are you talking about? I've never heard about a woman dying from a legal abortion in modern Poland, but I've heard about pregnant women dying in hospitals, because their pregnancy wasn't aborted in time to save their lives.

And do you think women who are going to get an abortion won't be researching all the possible side effects before making the decision? We're not retarded, you know o_O


Excuse me..???


It didn't cross your mind that in the past there was no such successful contraception as we have nowadays and so women simply had no choice but to get pregnant? Now we do have a choice - we can have sex with our partner or husband and not get pregnant.

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@Novichok:

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@Lenka, spot on - that's discussing with Novichok in a nutshell lol


You won't get any more answers until you answer mine first:

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How is that "irrelevant"? People reached a boiling point because PiS changed the abortion law despite the fact that all the polls were showing that majority of Poles don't want this law to be changed. So people got angry.

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You asked in your previous comment: "What should the abortion bill say for you". So, what the hell that "you" means in Novichokland this time??


Whose demonstrations? I don't know who exactly took part in those mass demonstrations - I'm guessing that there was a mix of people with different views simply united against the current law made by PiS. So, it's possible that something that may satisfy the majority of those protesters, won't satisfy a more radical minority that will be still doing some smaller protests even if a somewhat less strict law will be passed.


Yup.

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I already wrote that for me going back to the previous law (the so called "kompromis aborcyjny" from 1993) would be enough. Here you have the text of the bill (the first pdf file "Tekst ogłoszony"):

isap.sejm.gov.pl/isap.nsf/DocDetails.xsp?id=wdu19930170078


I am not a "Polish feminazi" so I can't speak for them. Why don't you go and ask them.

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You're such a liar. You keep "changing your mind" about what you want - when you get an answer to your question you claim that this is not what you wanted and claim that noone answers your question.

You clearly asked yesterday that you want to know what majority of Polish women want NOW:



So you asked what Polish women's "wishes" are nowadays and you got an answer. Now kindly f*ck off.

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You didn't call it "bs" yesterday. This is what you wrote:

"12 weeks seems reasonable and matches the French law, as far as I know.
There, the case is closed"


Well, sorry, but we don't have a crystal ball and we can't predict what Polish society will be like in 50 or 100 years and what will the views and abortion law be like then.

You were asking what Polish women want now and you got an answer.


The final bill will be most likely the result of a compromise between the three parties making up the current opposition coalition. Unless they make a referendum.

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No, I've already answered that question of yours here ("what Polish women want" and Poles in general):

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-abortion-control-62528/94/#msg1934801

...and what I personally think:

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-abortion-control-62528/94/#msg1934808

You seemed to register my answer yesterday, but for some strange reason you've forgotten it today already? lol What is wrong with you, Novichok?? Amnesia? Dementia? Are you going through your very own "Groundhog Day" over and over again? ;D



😂


It looks like Lenka was right (what a "shocker"! lol) :)

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I've already shown you what majority of Polish women want first and foremost - less strict abortion law.

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Btw:


How did you get to know about this?

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After 4 months experts found the remains of Poles murdered by UPA in Puzniki (I wrote about the search some time ago in another thread):

wiadomosci.wp.pl/odkrycie-w-ukrainie-znaleziono-szczatki-pomordowanych-polakow-6956596872305184a

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@pawian, no, I don't.

Love / Do Polish guys like girls who are shy, modest and sensitive [41]

@pawian, there was no pandemic in the past.

Love / Do Polish guys like girls who are shy, modest and sensitive [41]

@pawian



😎

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@pawian, I shall correct that previous statement of mine - I know better than you what I "prefer to focus on" and what I'm basing my conclusions on :)

Love / Do Polish guys like girls who are shy, modest and sensitive [41]

@pawian, I think I know better than you what I "prefer to focus on" and what I'm basing my conclusions on. I don't need to be "Goddess" or "History" for that.

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No, you're wrong, of course.

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No, I'm simply acknowledging the fact that the reality is more complicated than how you picture it.


I could go into more detail and explain what I meant, but I have no time right now and since you're not interested anyway...

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Nope. I wrote that our times have their own challenges that not everyone from the older generations may understand. And some of them (not all) even think that our reality is too much for them, apparently.


You could say - both, I guess :)))


Pawian, you have no idea what I experienced - I can tell you this much.

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And you think that worrying and stressing out over the possibility of the parents or grandparents of those youngsters dying from the pandemic didn't affect them in any way? When I was a kid during the 90s my biggest worry and constant stress was that my parents will get fired from their jobs and that my father will turn into a complete drunk then, like the "strong" neighbour above our flat, whose wife had to borrow money from my mother. I wasn't worrying that they'll catch a virus and die after a random visit to a shop.

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And I'm not even sure about that "greenhouse environment"... Our times have their own challenges too. For example, having and keeping a job in communist times was usually a given. My parents worked in the same place all their lives. They have no idea what it's like to look for a job, because they never had to. I happen to see comments by people from older generations on social media complaining that PRL times were easier, etc. So how are those people "stronger"?

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It's better nowadays and that's what you always should wish for next generations, imho.


I'm not sure about that "stronger", to be honest. In my opinion those generations that grew up under communism got f*cked up by those times. I defenitely wouldn't want younger Poles to be like my parents' generation. Times change, people change. My impression is that people raised in better times/circumstances are often kinder and have more empathy for others. So, everything has its pluses and minuses, as always, I guess.


Being brought up by parents f*cked up by communist times? lol

Btw, unlike the shortage of toilet paper or no "Teleranek" on Sunday morning, a pandemic can actually kill people ;/

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Btw, according to that poll from 2020 I linked to the most liberal attitude towards abortion in Polish society was displayed by women below 35 years of age, especially those between 18-24. It was similar with young men (although to a lesser extent than in case of women). What a "shocker" :)

In this context it's not surprising that young people in Poland turned against PiS, I guess.

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Yes, going back to the previous law would be enough for me already. I don't know about kids with Down syndrome though, because I think the previous law allowed for abortion in such cases and it looks like Poles were divided on this issue too (I'm not sure now) - this is a poll from 2020:

gazetaprawna.pl/wiadomosci/artykuly/1497818,aborcja-zespol-downa-legalna-czy-nie-sondaz-cbos.html

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@Novichok, here's some info about what Polish women want based on IBRiS poll:

rp.pl/spoleczenstwo/art38100641-sondaz-ponad-80-proc-polakow-za-liberalizacja-przepisow-dotyczacych-aborcji

Unfortunately I can't quote it, because after I entered the article for the second time it turned out to be payed.


What view? I defenitely don't want the current law to stay in place.


Then why did you ask: "Hey, any women here?" That implied that you want to know the opinion of women writing on PF.

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@Miloslaw, @Alien, I don't want to be mean, but reading doesn't hurt :)):