News / The Iran war and Poland [826]


Because it's not really just Persia. The wise Shah knew it and wanted the name to express more broader, more inclusive national identity.

News / The Iran war and Poland [826]



I'm afraid Polish public opinion is divided on the matter.

People are indeed tired with the eternal trouble in the Middle East, but I am quite sure that those who give it a moment of thoughtful consideration can see that Israel really had no other option but to do whatever it takes to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. The fact that they would like to force a government change in Iran is quite understandable too. Israel's in a zugzwang, their every move is pretty much forced.

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Yes they are and yes they have.

They are, however, also a totalitarian theocratic regime that enforces Islamic Sharia law in public and private life, especially for women, and suppresses any form of dissent - critics, journalists, activists, and protesters are regularly imprisoned, tortured, or executed. This totalitarian regime has directly and openly stated its aim of destroying Israel. So what was Israel supposed to do? Wait until Iran gets nukes and destroys them? Israel is a very courageous nation that has the guts to stand up against this tyrannical regime and stop them before they get the weapons of mass destruction. When somebody wants to destroy you, you have a commandment to destroy them first, and that's what Israel is doing.


But, Ryszard, you have spent the last three years explaining to everyone that Russia is not the aggressor, and that they only made a preemptive strike because NATO was encroaching on them. So make up your mind - is a nation entitled to a preemptive strike if it believes it's for their own survival or not?

Feedback / I love this forum - It's so Polish: tolerant, inconsistent, amusing [337]

Wow, this really escalated from my post #271.

I only mentioned Novi tongue in cheek - saying that a board that he will join won't know what hit them. I am all for freedom of speech, even if it means freedom to be an arsehole sometimes (and I'm not a saint myself either).

What I wanted to achieve was to remind and maybe encourage more people to chip in for PF, the place that has been our digital meeting place for many years now, but I can see that the donation counter is still at $1710, so it looks like I failed successfully.

If only 20 people gave measly ten bucks every month, we would have the bloody $2400 in a year. We don't have it, so we are either a bunch of miserly pr*cks, Bangladeshi shoe salesmen or we just don't care about the place that much - take your pick.

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Well, you can love it for two weeks more. We are about $700 short of the sum required to keep PF alive, so in two weeks time it's bye bye. Enjoy the remaining two weeks folks, it was all nice while it lasted. Meanwhile, search the internet for other forums to troll. I already pity the board that Novichok joins--they won't know what hit them. xD

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Only for two weeks more. We are about $700 short of the sum required to keep PF alive, so in two weeks time Novi will have to find another forum to troll. :)

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If it was only that!

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materinu

Albo cały czas wszystko czyta i zbiera się w sobie, żeby nam przypierdolić z potrójną siłą. xD

News / Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland [495]


Of course it is not bad in German eyes. For Poles however, Germans and Russians getting cozy over our heads is not only wind in the eyes but also rupture in the hearts and pain in the butts. Keep that in mind, bitte.

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You already had the EU. Before the war EU's core, with Germany at the forefront, was eating out of your hand. All you had to do was calm Poland's fears and somehow include her (i.e. Central Europe) in your plans, and the alliance of sorts was quite possible. However, and perhaps to some extent understandably, Russia never treated Poland as a serious player. You saw us in a similar way as we saw Samo... erm, Lithuania, and that fueled firstly a moderate Russophobia and secondly a distrust of Germany (Nord Stream, talking to Russia over our heads). The war helped Americans to push Russia out of Europe in both economic and political terms and I can't see how this might realistically change in the foreseeable future.

So, all things considered, Putin - as brilliant, psychopathic and honourable as he is - made a mistake with his Ukrainian affair. A terrible mistake.


But you support AfD, Le Pen and Orban - forces that actively oppose centralization of the EU. 5D chess?


Right. I should have read it until the end before responding. :)

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As usual.


Can we exchange it for some nukes? Or at least a couple of million of small military drones?

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You would if your страна demanded it from you, and I wouldn't hold it against you for a moment. I also know that later you would shoot yourself like Blokhin, and it would make me very sad in Heaven.

*high five*


Yes, having their faces broken by their superior usually serves to rectify most soldiers' behaviour; a useful tip for every army officer to keep in mind. As for there being more decent men than beasts on both sides in Ukraine - I have no doubt at all about it.


Ah, the classic Pope card! But you played it too soon, Paulina. Save if for when Poland really needs a miracle.

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Why take over? Maybe they want to buy some? Or exchange for nukes?

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Well, it's only fair - my decency ends where the interest of Poland starts.


A man has to do what a man has to do. That's life.

Women - how little they understand.


Ah, yes. Moral superiority: the ultimate Polish superpower.

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Notice that before "we see Yeltsin differently" I wrote "in Poland".

But thank you for giving us an example of how Yeltsin is perceived in Grand Rapids, USA.

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A decent enemy is perhaps better than a false friend.

... and if we were in place of Russians, would we be that much different?

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In Poland we see Yeltsin differently than most Russian politicians. It is a figure we think of with a lot of sympathy.

Most simple people believe that Wałęsa drank him into agreeing to withdraw Soviet troops from Poland and giving permission for Poland to join NATO. Not true, of course, but a lovely Slavic legend.

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You really are a bad judge of character, Paulina.

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I will say one thing on this topic: if a real war (not a sad circus like the one in Ukraine) plagues the world in the future, and the fate of countries, nations and the world hangs on a very thin thread once again... it would be criminal, unforgivable and tragic if Slavic nations fought against one another. There is not that many (and fewer every year) of us remaining in this world, let's not slaughter our dear Mother Slavia with our own dirty and sinful hands. Maybe we still have enough of what Paulina calls "moral spine" not to let that happen? Here's hoping.


An honourable deed, no doubt.

The secret of man's heart and soul is a veritable mystery indeed.


Guilty as charged. Serce nie sługa. I love Poland more though.

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From your description dobri brat Vladimir sounds like a proper statesman, villain, psychopath and genius. Perhaps not the easiest combination of traits to deal with but, as late Pope Francis used to say, who are we to judge?

You made several very good points about the system of power in Russia being built on Putin and about the understanding between different camps of power. We used to have something similar in Poland not that long ago (wy nie ruszacie naszych, my nie ruszamy waszych) but it changed with Tusk's return to power in 2023 when he started to act a bit like a rabid dog.

One way or another, as good strategists (amateur but still), we have to remain vigilant and open for different variants of future events, without presupposed answers and solutions, prejudices and hatred in our hearts.


Brat Miłosz might find himself airbrushed out of certain photos in the future.


Nobody.

I am a Slav, the sounds of Vienna waltzes and that of horses' hooves on wild Asian steppes can be heard simultaneously playing in my head. So there.

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Which means that 30% of Russians don't dislike Poland--a solid base to start building from if such need arises.

Besides, don't be a naive male version of Paulina. People can be taught to love or hate, it happens all the time. Some Yezhovs, Trotskys and Zinovievs will be airbrushed out of official photos, some will be photoshopped in; some monuments will be razed, some will be fixed or raised again; some talented writers and film makers will be given generous subsidies and state-honours, and the 30% in both countries will become 90% (perhaps 95% if all goes well).

Stop being such damn kids.


That's what I'm talking about! For the good of one's country, Slavia and the world in general, certain views may be reconsidered and necessary changes applied.

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We'll see what you say when Kosiniak-Kamysz enters into alliance with PiS and Konfa...

wpolityce.pl/polityka/731771-ankieta-w-psl-zapytano-o-sojusz-z-pis-i-konfederacja

tvn24.pl/polska/koalicja-z-pis-i-konfederacja-kosiniak-kamysz-na-premiera-ankieta-dla-dzialaczy-psl-st8498501

... he he. :)


I'm not betting on them.

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I don't have to think about it; thanks to Bobko I read Sorokin.

Anyways, Poland will have to one day normalise her relations with Russia whether it is Putin or the devil himself in charge. Think about it.


Janusz Korwin-Mikke does. No, wait... you might have a point...

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*sighs*

It is sometimes difficult being the only Polish adult on a forum full of misbehaving children...

News / Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland [495]


Moral spine? When did you acquire this taste for luxuries?


But having a commonsensical, centrist, down-to-earth, moderate element in a rightist, Eurosceptical PiS-Konfederacja government is essential for the greater good of Poland. It will introduce some much needed balance as well as allow PSL to veto the more extremist ideas of Kaczyński and Mentzen. Without PSL they will have no majority, so they will have to take our wise, balanced voice into account. A win-win situation.

Besides, Russia can still win the war in Ukraine. PSL, with many members remembering the old Poland-Soviet Union cooperation, will be able to create a thin (but still) thread of understanding between the Polish government and that of His Excellency Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (a bit of a wild Asian but our Slavic brother nonetheless). Gotta see the larger picture, Paulina. Don't be so naive.

News / Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland [495]


Well, politics is not for the faint-hearted, overly honest, or people who think 'spin' is just a washing machine setting.

PSL has been on the Polish political scence since 1895. For comparison, PO and PiS were created in 2001 and Konfederacja in 2018 - political babies. PSL was around long before POPiS and Konfederacja, and it will be around long after nobody even remembers that such parties existed. All for the greater good of Poland, of course. Nie rzucim ziemi skąd nasz ród, Żywią y Bronią, and all that.

Also, "People who like sausage and politics shouldn't watch either being made." ;)

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Kurwa mać, I don't think the current forum software can handle this much cringe, please stop or it will break the board.

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As for the future prime minister, there is an internal poll, circulating among members as we speak, in PSL asking whether they would support a government of PiS, Konfederacja and PSL, if Kosiniak-Kamysz were to become a PM in this government. The coming weeks are going to be interesting.

News / Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland [495]


Nonsense. PO is a right party. Lewica in Poland is almost nonexistent (26 MPs out of 460). Besides PSL cooperates with PiS all over Poland on samorząd level. It's the most pragmatic, down-to-earth, centrist party.


Sawicki or Sikorski. Either would do a much better job, and Sawicki would add an extra bonus of being a conservative.


Read it somewhere on paper (either Plus-Minus or Wyborcza) that out of those who voted for Trzecia Droga and Lewica in the parliamentary elections in 2023 (3.1 million and 1.9 million), 1 million stayed at home (that's 20%!) in the 2nd round of presidential elections. If this demobilisation of democratic 2023 electorate hadn't happened, Nawrocki wouldn't have been elected the president.

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I will be butthurt if Poland suffers because of Nawrocki. At the moment what happened cannot unhappen, so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt and a credit of trust. Let's see what he does with it.


He went to Nowogrodzka to talk to Kaczyński almost right after being elected. This doesn't look like something an independent president would do. But hey, if he proves me wrong, all the better for Poland.


Because they are a down to the ground, peasant, commonsensical, Christian, centrist party. Poland needs calm, steady growing in power and development, without extremities - either on the left or on the right. Poland needs politicians who can make deals and agree with everyone, depending on the current situation and needs of our country. You ask me about Zandberg and Braun - could Braun make decent, useful for Poland, compromises with everyone as such need arises? Could Zandberg? No, because they are extremists, either towards quasi-fascism or quasi-communism. We don't need that, we don't need extremities; we need to quietly get rich, quietly grow in power, and quietly sharpen our knives (just in case).

That's why PSL.