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*sighs*

It is sometimes difficult being the only Polish adult on a forum full of misbehaving children...

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Moral spine? When did you acquire this taste for luxuries?


But having a commonsensical, centrist, down-to-earth, moderate element in a rightist, Eurosceptical PiS-Konfederacja government is essential for the greater good of Poland. It will introduce some much needed balance as well as allow PSL to veto the more extremist ideas of Kaczyński and Mentzen. Without PSL they will have no majority, so they will have to take our wise, balanced voice into account. A win-win situation.

Besides, Russia can still win the war in Ukraine. PSL, with many members remembering the old Poland-Soviet Union cooperation, will be able to create a thin (but still) thread of understanding between the Polish government and that of His Excellency Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (a bit of a wild Asian but our Slavic brother nonetheless). Gotta see the larger picture, Paulina. Don't be so naive.

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Well, politics is not for the faint-hearted, overly honest, or people who think 'spin' is just a washing machine setting.

PSL has been on the Polish political scence since 1895. For comparison, PO and PiS were created in 2001 and Konfederacja in 2018 - political babies. PSL was around long before POPiS and Konfederacja, and it will be around long after nobody even remembers that such parties existed. All for the greater good of Poland, of course. Nie rzucim ziemi skąd nasz ród, Żywią y Bronią, and all that.

Also, "People who like sausage and politics shouldn't watch either being made." ;)

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Kurwa mać, I don't think the current forum software can handle this much cringe, please stop or it will break the board.

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As for the future prime minister, there is an internal poll, circulating among members as we speak, in PSL asking whether they would support a government of PiS, Konfederacja and PSL, if Kosiniak-Kamysz were to become a PM in this government. The coming weeks are going to be interesting.

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Nonsense. PO is a right party. Lewica in Poland is almost nonexistent (26 MPs out of 460). Besides PSL cooperates with PiS all over Poland on samorząd level. It's the most pragmatic, down-to-earth, centrist party.


Sawicki or Sikorski. Either would do a much better job, and Sawicki would add an extra bonus of being a conservative.


Read it somewhere on paper (either Plus-Minus or Wyborcza) that out of those who voted for Trzecia Droga and Lewica in the parliamentary elections in 2023 (3.1 million and 1.9 million), 1 million stayed at home (that's 20%!) in the 2nd round of presidential elections. If this demobilisation of democratic 2023 electorate hadn't happened, Nawrocki wouldn't have been elected the president.

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I will be butthurt if Poland suffers because of Nawrocki. At the moment what happened cannot unhappen, so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt and a credit of trust. Let's see what he does with it.


He went to Nowogrodzka to talk to Kaczyński almost right after being elected. This doesn't look like something an independent president would do. But hey, if he proves me wrong, all the better for Poland.


Because they are a down to the ground, peasant, commonsensical, Christian, centrist party. Poland needs calm, steady growing in power and development, without extremities - either on the left or on the right. Poland needs politicians who can make deals and agree with everyone, depending on the current situation and needs of our country. You ask me about Zandberg and Braun - could Braun make decent, useful for Poland, compromises with everyone as such need arises? Could Zandberg? No, because they are extremists, either towards quasi-fascism or quasi-communism. We don't need that, we don't need extremities; we need to quietly get rich, quietly grow in power, and quietly sharpen our knives (just in case).

That's why PSL.

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A week has passed, I am still a bit angry that Nawrocki is our new president; mostly at Kaczyński for backing this marionette instead of a decent candidate like Jurek, Ryszka or Nowak and for Tusk for not forcing Sikorski as the democratic candidate, but it was more than that... promises broken, the same old PiS-style corruption (despite swearing that it will change), idiotic attacks at the Church. Tusk has to step aside, he f*cked up big time and now has to pay for it.

As for Nawrocki's great victory - he should thank 1 million of voters of Trzecia Droga and Lewica who stayed at home last Sunday. Their voices would give Trzaskowski a comfortable victory (he lost by 370k votes). And let's not forget those leftist 1st round voters of Senszyn (almost 20%), Zandberg, Hołownia and Biejat who voted for Nawrocki in the 2nd round. Perhaps Gajewska's antics with the bag of potatoes pissed them off? Perhaps it was the unashamed kissing the butts of real estate developers by the current government and local authorities?

Oh, well... maybe it's all for the better. Tusk and KO learnt the hard way that stupidity has its price. Maybe it will force them to change their ways. If not, f*ck 'em - it's an old cliché but it's really patria not partia that counts.

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Nawrocki won't send Polish army to Ukraine. So, unless Russia invades Poland, there will be no Russian-Polish war anytime soon. That's good for Poland, I suppose.


Who gives a toss about the German press? Not me.


Never voted for Tusk. The reason I voted for Trzaskowski is that Nawrocki is a bloody embarrassment and nobody will convince me otherwise. The elderly fraud afair - very well documented - would be enough to disqualify him as a person suitable to be the Polish president, and you know very well that there's much more than that. Anywhere N. goes to represent Poland, his hosts will receive a full dossier on him and every time it will be a stain on Poland's honour.


I'd rather go to PF and watch plastic Poles in their natural habitat. Much more amusing.

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Ha, ha - PiS mob is wearing "Konstytucja" t-shirts all of a sudden. In the words of a classic: nie zesraj się. :)


LOL

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@Amiga

People who are patriotic-nationalistic, right of PiS etc., don't dabble in usury, pandering and elderly fraud. Or perhaps we have different definitions of what being a patriot means.

Kaczyński was convinced precisely because he later realised that he will be able to manipulate Nawrocki with all the kompromat on him. The entire secret of Kaczyński's political longevity is his security cabinet where he holds 'haki' on all his men.

Anyways... *yaaaaawn* ... what happened will not unhappen, so there's no use crying over spilt milk. People who voted for Nawrocki voted for permanent conflict instead of normal, peaceful development. The irony of their choice is that it is they who will suffer, not those who voted for Trzaskowski. We will be quite all right, no matter who the president happens to be.

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Well done, Novi.

If you posted only in the abortion thread and gave up all your activity in the Russian invasion one, you would be one of my favourite posters. :)

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Certainly not in the academic sense. Nawrocki's PhD mentor was Grzegorz Berendt, and Dudek and Polak his reviewing committee.


As independent as a puppet on a string.

Why do you think Kaczyński chose N. as his candidate? Precisely because he has such 'haki' on him that Onet's revelations pale in comparison. He will be yet another Kaczynski's ballpen.

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Pigs will fly sooner than that happens.

Unless, of course, PiS comes back to power and takes over the judiciary, then anything is possible.

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Again, the fact that a guy like Nawrocki will be Poland's president is a major embarrassment and a slap in the face of every decent Pole. Of course, Warsaw's Szambelan wouldn't be perfect either but at least somewhat less embarrassing.

Why are Tusk and Kaczyński such twats? We could have a presidential race between Sikorski and Marek Jurek, Andrzej Nowak or Czesław Ryszka (real Catholics and patriots) and I would vote for any of the three in the second round, but K. and T. had to choose two muppets for their candidates, and the worse muppet won. Horrible.

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Anything to avoid calling it a child? It's evil to kill a child but it's OK to dispose of "embryo" or "foetus", right? Nice nazi thinking. Mass murdering people is also horrible but if, instead of 'people', you call them "Untermenschen" or "Ungezifer"...

Perhaps you spent too much time in Germany, Alien.

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Kosiniak-Kamysz or, even better, Sikorski. Tusk is finished. He f*cked up big time with the elections and the consequences for Poland will be disastrous.

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That and the fact that hundreds of thousands of leftists decided to vote for Nawrocki rather than Trzaskowski: about 20% of 1st round Senyszyn voters, 16% of Zandberg, 14% of Hołownia and 10% of Biejat! This tipped the scales to Nawrocki's side (he only won by 370 thousand votes). Go figure - leftists voting for Nawrocki like proverbial chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.

Also, it should have been Sikorski from the start, not Trzaskowski who already lost one elections to Duda and is a president of Warsaw (a capital city is rarely liked by people in other regions), but Tusk wanted someone more easily influenced, so in the end he got what he deserved. It's a shame and embarassment for Poland, so if Tusk has a bit of honour, he should now resign as PM.

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Your USA-Poland analogy is almost perfect. Almost.

You are wrong in the part that I highlighted. The progressive and the conservative side may indeed consider each other "irredeemable idiots" but in Poland there is no real hatred between them.

Do you think Ironside hates me? Do you think I hate Korvinus? Think again. This is Poland. We can argue and fight between one another but should a foreigner raise his hand against one of us, 40 million will strike him back. Sure, Podkarpacie are a bunch of hillbilly rednecks but try to hurt them and Pomeranian troops will be all over you like a honey badger on a cobra. Deploy a landing force on the coast of Gdańsk, which those hillbillies consider a modern version of Babylon lol, and Podkarpacie riflemen will give you hell like in 1920. So, if Владимир Владимирович is counting on one day invading a divided Poland, he'll be sorely disappointed.

EDIT:

Why is the election thread closed? I wanted to brag about the results in my beloved city...



... Gdańsk forever! :)

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:)

Sense of humour is important.

If you don't know how and what to think about Poland's new president, just imagine that Kaczynski is the new president now (Nawrocki is only his marionette).

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Not a buddy (at least not right away) but definitely a soul mate or a mental equivalent.

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One person is certainly happy with the elections' result. I'll give you a hint - he likes three things: botox, ice hockey, and bare-chest horseback riding.

Those who voted for Nawrocki can wear their onucas with pride and apply to Novichok for the membership in Putin's fan club.

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Well, what can I say...

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More so than Kaczyński and Nawrocki.

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Not funny.


I am probably the only 100% pro-Polish consistent poster here, always for the best interest of Poland. Of that you can be sure.

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I used to respect you, Iron, but with this one sentence you just earned your place in the same league with Strzelec. Well done.


Plus more thugs in the presidential palace and state-run institutions, presidential pardons for PiS crooks and thieves, and of course Nawrocki himself is beyond the reach of the law now. President can only be judged by the Constitutional Tribunal, and it's not going to happen. Again - a sad day for Poland. We are moving away from the European mainstream and closer to Belarus and Hungary.

I don't hold it against Braun and Mentzen voters that they voted for Nawrocki (93% and 90% respectively). It was easy to predict. However, the 10% of Biejat voters, 14% of Hołownia's, 16% of Zandberg's and 19% of Senyszyn's 1st round voters might have problems looking into the mirror in the coming years.

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A very sad day for Poland.


Listen, teddy bear. "Middle-aged city dwelling dandies" will be quite all right, no matter who happens to be the president. As for the rest of you... your primitive prejudices, hatred, resentment and envy have just made Poland weaker and more vulnerable. Hope you're proud of yourselves.

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No, he's not. Do you think every politician you disagree with is Jewish? Interesting psychological phenomenon.

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What is that supposed to mean? :)

Did you really vote for Narwocki? It means that you think the missing letters here...



... are PRO.

Congratulations. Hopefully you and your ilk are in minority.

@jon357

Sometimes the count is quicker in certain comissions in large cities, there's no rule really. The USA, however, is surely already counted and they definitely voted for Nawrocki. It will probably swing to Nawrocki, then back to Trzaskowski and will stay there. I'd say 51,5% for the Warsaw's president.

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Fingers crossed.

The USA voted earlier, so in early counts it might swing to Nawrocki but hopefully common sense won and we will have Rafał Trzaskowski as our president.