southern
29 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Yes,exactly.The Turks feel superior to the West.They do not try to adjust.
Yes,exactly.The Turks feel superior to the West.They do not try to adjust.
southern
29 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Mission impossible.Turks did not manage to be assimilated even in Balkans.
to try to assimilate Turks ?
Mission impossible.Turks did not manage to be assimilated even in Balkans.
southern
28 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
They are completely different things.
Gyros-pieces of pork or pork with lamb or chcken which are derived from a big cylindrical part that is roasted moving slowly around a pole with heat from every side.The pieces are taken by cutting the big part with special knife,then put into pita and served after adding within potatoes,tzatziki,onions,tomato(this is called complete pita-gyros) or any of these ingredients minus.(pita gyros without tzatziki for example if you want normal breath taste,to kiss for example a girl after eating the gyros for example).
Souvlaki-pieces of pork or chicken( if you say just souvlaki you mean pork,if you want chicken you have to say souvlaki chicken) which are around a small wooden pile that connects them and are roasted on above slowly burning pieces of coal.If roasted well it is delicious.
You can take simple souvlaki(just meat) with the small wooden part that connects the pieces.It is called kalamaki in Athens.You can also order that the wood is removed between the parts and the parts are put inside pita with tzatziki,onions,potatoes,tomato.(It is called souvlaki).Or you can order the meat without tzatziki.It is called children's souvlaki.
Or just 4 wooden parts with meat,potatoes,tzatziki,onions separate on a table.It is called souvlaki portion.
Kebab is made from beef mixed with pork roasted again on slowly burning pieces of coal.Its taste depends very much on the restaurant where it is produced.There are many types of kebab,some are very tasty.
There is also kokoretsi,which is very opular among some people and consists of intestines of lamb roasted again slowly connected by a metallic pole on slowly burning coal.It is difficult to make it because you have to constantly move the pole in circular movement.Its taste also depends on the restaurant where it is produced and a lot of people like it,others do not like it while everyone likes souvlaki.
There are more kinds of meat roasted like kontosouvli which is pieces of lamb connected on a pole roasted slowly again and paidakia which are lamb fillets roasted or grilled etc.
what is the difference between a gyros, souvlaki and greek kebab?
They are completely different things.
Gyros-pieces of pork or pork with lamb or chcken which are derived from a big cylindrical part that is roasted moving slowly around a pole with heat from every side.The pieces are taken by cutting the big part with special knife,then put into pita and served after adding within potatoes,tzatziki,onions,tomato(this is called complete pita-gyros) or any of these ingredients minus.(pita gyros without tzatziki for example if you want normal breath taste,to kiss for example a girl after eating the gyros for example).
Souvlaki-pieces of pork or chicken( if you say just souvlaki you mean pork,if you want chicken you have to say souvlaki chicken) which are around a small wooden pile that connects them and are roasted on above slowly burning pieces of coal.If roasted well it is delicious.
You can take simple souvlaki(just meat) with the small wooden part that connects the pieces.It is called kalamaki in Athens.You can also order that the wood is removed between the parts and the parts are put inside pita with tzatziki,onions,potatoes,tomato.(It is called souvlaki).Or you can order the meat without tzatziki.It is called children's souvlaki.
Or just 4 wooden parts with meat,potatoes,tzatziki,onions separate on a table.It is called souvlaki portion.
Kebab is made from beef mixed with pork roasted again on slowly burning pieces of coal.Its taste depends very much on the restaurant where it is produced.There are many types of kebab,some are very tasty.
There is also kokoretsi,which is very opular among some people and consists of intestines of lamb roasted again slowly connected by a metallic pole on slowly burning coal.It is difficult to make it because you have to constantly move the pole in circular movement.Its taste also depends on the restaurant where it is produced and a lot of people like it,others do not like it while everyone likes souvlaki.
There are more kinds of meat roasted like kontosouvli which is pieces of lamb connected on a pole roasted slowly again and paidakia which are lamb fillets roasted or grilled etc.
southern
27 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Yes,you seem to understand the differences in syntax order.Since you are German,a high IQ is presumed.
I think the English use other ways to express nuanced differences than word order.They do that by exploiting the double and triple meanings of words to which foreigners are not used.So we tend to use the words with accurate meanings and then try to emphasize or lower emphasis through syntax as we are used in our native languages.
German is extremely inflexible,there is one specific word for every meaning and this causes a lot of problems to foreigners who try to express themselves in German.It is like the classical Greek language where prefixes and complex words do the job.And in German as a well as in classical Greek the syntax is rather complicated in fact it is the same syntax.The difference is that ancient Greeks had understood this and tried to describe and explain the rules to barbarians while Germans do not seem to bother to do so for foreigners.
Naturally Greek language became gradually simplified by the time foreigners in Hellenistic wold(Syrians,Babylonians,Persians,Egyptians) started to use it.
Anyway.Today we have english language hegemony.(except France where they do not admit it).
Yes,you seem to understand the differences in syntax order.Since you are German,a high IQ is presumed.
I think the English use other ways to express nuanced differences than word order.They do that by exploiting the double and triple meanings of words to which foreigners are not used.So we tend to use the words with accurate meanings and then try to emphasize or lower emphasis through syntax as we are used in our native languages.
German is extremely inflexible,there is one specific word for every meaning and this causes a lot of problems to foreigners who try to express themselves in German.It is like the classical Greek language where prefixes and complex words do the job.And in German as a well as in classical Greek the syntax is rather complicated in fact it is the same syntax.The difference is that ancient Greeks had understood this and tried to describe and explain the rules to barbarians while Germans do not seem to bother to do so for foreigners.
Naturally Greek language became gradually simplified by the time foreigners in Hellenistic wold(Syrians,Babylonians,Persians,Egyptians) started to use it.
Anyway.Today we have english language hegemony.(except France where they do not admit it).
southern
27 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Most EU countries have negative population growth.Negative population growth is correlated with higher levels of economic development.
On the contrary developing countries(like India,Brazil) have positive,bursting population growth.Turkey's population increased from 60 million to 70 million in last decade.So we can categorize Turkey accordingly.
(Former communist countries are an exception in essence that they have negative population growth despite developing economy but there are reasons for that connected with higher levels of education in communist countries which were not in proportion to real economical strength).
Yes,sweet baklava is Turkish.
The instrument baglama is also Turkish.
The instrument bouzouki is not Turkish,is byzantine.
I do not know if that makes sense.
Like the Slavs also do,there is natural tendency to change the word order in some sentences to emphasize the first word better.
Other Turkish sweets are gantaif,hanum burek,the sweet drink serbet and many others with lots of syrup you probably do not know.
negative population growth
Most EU countries have negative population growth.Negative population growth is correlated with higher levels of economic development.
On the contrary developing countries(like India,Brazil) have positive,bursting population growth.Turkey's population increased from 60 million to 70 million in last decade.So we can categorize Turkey accordingly.
(Former communist countries are an exception in essence that they have negative population growth despite developing economy but there are reasons for that connected with higher levels of education in communist countries which were not in proportion to real economical strength).
'Sweet baklava (no "the" article necessary) is Turkish.
Yes,sweet baklava is Turkish.
The instrument baglama is also Turkish.
The instrument bouzouki is not Turkish,is byzantine.
I do not know if that makes sense.
Like the Slavs also do,there is natural tendency to change the word order in some sentences to emphasize the first word better.
Other Turkish sweets are gantaif,hanum burek,the sweet drink serbet and many others with lots of syrup you probably do not know.
southern
27 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Tavli.It is byzantine.Backgammon is only one way of playing tavli which is called portes(doors) in Greece.There are two more ways of playing but they are not known in the West.
Turkish is the sweet baklava,I admit it although the Cypriots wanted it to be recognized as cyprian in EU legislature.
Some commonly used turkish words in Greece
rusfet=political favour,recruiting sb to work in a public sector position because he voted for the party in government
bachtsis=present to gain one's favour.A fine form of bribery always used to set public sector in motion for one's favour
rachat=laziness,doing nothing,just lying on a chair in deep apathy.Usually Turks combined it with smoking the
nargile:Pipeline to smoke the hashish.Rich Turks had very decent nargiles with paintings etc on them,some were real peaces of art.
'Tavla'
Tavli.It is byzantine.Backgammon is only one way of playing tavli which is called portes(doors) in Greece.There are two more ways of playing but they are not known in the West.
Turkish is the sweet baklava,I admit it although the Cypriots wanted it to be recognized as cyprian in EU legislature.
Some commonly used turkish words in Greece
rusfet=political favour,recruiting sb to work in a public sector position because he voted for the party in government
bachtsis=present to gain one's favour.A fine form of bribery always used to set public sector in motion for one's favour
rachat=laziness,doing nothing,just lying on a chair in deep apathy.Usually Turks combined it with smoking the
nargile:Pipeline to smoke the hashish.Rich Turks had very decent nargiles with paintings etc on them,some were real peaces of art.
southern
27 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Australia is not the country of original Greek food.
Souvlaki is made either from pork or from chicken.
Gyros is made from pork or pork mixed with lamb or from chicken.Very few fast foods offer also a variant of gyros from lamb but only n northern Greece.
Greek kebab is made from beef or from lamb and is very different from Turkish kebab.I doubt it exists in Greek restaurants outside Greece.Commercial food is only gyros and souvlaki.
Isisores,economic development is relative and can be estimated only in relation to other countries' development.For example Turkey now falls behind in terms of economic growth from many countries of former eastern block which experienced a long period of economic stagnation under communism.And some of these countries do not even belong to EU.
What do you bet that GDP per capita of Greece was in 1980,1 year before EU accession higher than GDP per capita in Turkey and even higher than GDP per capita in Turkey than it is now.(the difference was bigger then).Do you want to discuss the data?
You play with words.Ottoman Turks are called the Turks who came in 13th century in order to be distinguished from Seltzuk Turks who came in Asia Minor in 11th century.Ottoman was maybe the name of the royal family but it came to mean all the turkish folks.The Turks were responsible for the law and administration and economy and structure in ottoman Empire as the Greeks were responsible for the same in the times of byzantine Empire.They may have called themselves Roman citizens but they were actually Greeks.
You did not say it but you implied it silently by throwing the number of 21 million before WW1 and 7 million after and writing about slaughtering in between.So you hoped that sb would reach the conclusion that two thirds of Turkish population were massacred.
5 million dead Turks in WW1?Tell me how many dozens of thousands of English and Australian,New Zealand troops did the Turks kill defending the ottoman Empire and the Sultan.
Eoka actually liberated Cyprus from English by asking a lot of pressure on them.Of course English offered a treaty Hong-Kong style in which Cyprus would integrate to Greece after 30 years(after 1964) and the alternative of an independent Cyprus with lots of rights and government positions to the Turkish minority and keeping of the British bases on island.Cypriots preferred the second solution which proved to be catastrophic since it led to empowerment of Turks and constant conflicts often supported by British who used the Greek-Turkish conflict for their interests thus always supporting the Turkish side which was the weakest and which actually never fought actively against the British rule on island.
[quote=isisores]it's the year 2008 here.
Yes,I know.Still 40000 Turkish troops on Cyprus,3000 Turkish tanks on Greek borders and 10 flights of Turkish planes above Aegean Sea every day.Turkish military still controlling political life,opposition and journalists supporting Kurds imprisoned,poor record on human rights respect(see Ocalan),etc etc.2008 indeed and nothing has changed.Difficult to change the Turks as BB would agree.
here in Australia Greek souvlaki's (gyros,kebab) as they are known are usually lamb or chicken. have not come across a pork souva.
Australia is not the country of original Greek food.
Souvlaki is made either from pork or from chicken.
Gyros is made from pork or pork mixed with lamb or from chicken.Very few fast foods offer also a variant of gyros from lamb but only n northern Greece.
Greek kebab is made from beef or from lamb and is very different from Turkish kebab.I doubt it exists in Greek restaurants outside Greece.Commercial food is only gyros and souvlaki.
i tell you greece before eu and after eu, you tell me comparison of Greece, Spain, Portugal before eu and after eu. totally different things.
Isisores,economic development is relative and can be estimated only in relation to other countries' development.For example Turkey now falls behind in terms of economic growth from many countries of former eastern block which experienced a long period of economic stagnation under communism.And some of these countries do not even belong to EU.
What do you bet that GDP per capita of Greece was in 1980,1 year before EU accession higher than GDP per capita in Turkey and even higher than GDP per capita in Turkey than it is now.(the difference was bigger then).Do you want to discuss the data?
ottomans were a family which was ruling the country
You play with words.Ottoman Turks are called the Turks who came in 13th century in order to be distinguished from Seltzuk Turks who came in Asia Minor in 11th century.Ottoman was maybe the name of the royal family but it came to mean all the turkish folks.The Turks were responsible for the law and administration and economy and structure in ottoman Empire as the Greeks were responsible for the same in the times of byzantine Empire.They may have called themselves Roman citizens but they were actually Greeks.
when did i say that 21 million was all turkish?
You did not say it but you implied it silently by throwing the number of 21 million before WW1 and 7 million after and writing about slaughtering in between.So you hoped that sb would reach the conclusion that two thirds of Turkish population were massacred.
5 million dead as
5 million dead Turks in WW1?Tell me how many dozens of thousands of English and Australian,New Zealand troops did the Turks kill defending the ottoman Empire and the Sultan.
eoka were sadists
Eoka actually liberated Cyprus from English by asking a lot of pressure on them.Of course English offered a treaty Hong-Kong style in which Cyprus would integrate to Greece after 30 years(after 1964) and the alternative of an independent Cyprus with lots of rights and government positions to the Turkish minority and keeping of the British bases on island.Cypriots preferred the second solution which proved to be catastrophic since it led to empowerment of Turks and constant conflicts often supported by British who used the Greek-Turkish conflict for their interests thus always supporting the Turkish side which was the weakest and which actually never fought actively against the British rule on island.
[quote=isisores]it's the year 2008 here.
Yes,I know.Still 40000 Turkish troops on Cyprus,3000 Turkish tanks on Greek borders and 10 flights of Turkish planes above Aegean Sea every day.Turkish military still controlling political life,opposition and journalists supporting Kurds imprisoned,poor record on human rights respect(see Ocalan),etc etc.2008 indeed and nothing has changed.Difficult to change the Turks as BB would agree.
southern
26 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Greek kebab is different from Turkish.Turks do not allow pork.Anyway Greek kebab is not famous although it is more tasty than Turkish in my opinion.
Gyros is more known which has pork inside or chicken.
Greek kebab is different from Turkish.Turks do not allow pork.Anyway Greek kebab is not famous although it is more tasty than Turkish in my opinion.
Gyros is more known which has pork inside or chicken.
southern
26 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Yes,it was easy.Byzantium had only 20000 soldiers at the time of the attack and the Turks had 200000.
Yes,which was invented by a Hungarian called Unyadi who wanted to sell it first to the byzantine Emperor.
Yes,because Istanbul most likely surrendered and by the law of Quran,Muslims do not destroy cities which surrender to them and let orthodox Christians keep their faith under condition to give 10% of their income as tax.
Yes,they got richer by collecting everything which was produced in Balkans and Arab world by the working folks.When they lost their conquests,they became suddenly poor.
At least some true words.Indeed the ottoman Empire was described as the sick man of Europe.Some nations have to give explanations why they prolonged its existence for so long.
How to revolt against the Ottomans when the Ottomans were actually you?You had to revolt against yourselves.
Before EU accession Greece had greater GDP per capita than Portugal and Spain.After Greece joined EU,Spain has surpassed Greece in terms of GDP per capita and Portugal is close.What are you talking about?
I know I am right.Do you see?Everyone had their role.Greeks,Jews and Armenians were competitors in business and Ottomans favored mostly Jews.That's why Jews in Salonica were sad when Greek army liberated the city from Ottomans and so they voted against Venizelos(you know what I mean).
You distract data.Ottoman Empire before WW1 contained today's Macedonia,Iraq,Syria,Palestine,Saudi Arabia,Qatar,Albania and south Bulgaria.So it had much more population than Turkey after the war which had only 7 million(now it has 10 times more).
It was ethnic cleansing.Greeks near Pontos in Trapezounta,Samsunta who fought with the Armenians had to get out as well.Neoturks had already began the ethnic cleansing before WW1.
500000 Turks out of Macedonia and 200000 out of Creta.However by the treaty of Lausanne in 1923 250000 Greeks remained in Istanbul and 150000 Turks remained in Thrace.Now after the pogrom in 1954 there are 4000 Greeks in Istanbul while the Turks in Thrace have increased over 200000.
I hope you do not want to open the issue since there are Englishmen watching the forum as well.
Yes.
Kurds strongly deny they are the same with Turks.You regard them as Turks.They form 25% of population in Turkey.
US regards similar Kurdish organizations in northern Iraq as liberators and freedom fighters.
Fairly.There was 400 years occupation,what more is needed?
and how do you think turks got Istanbul from Byzantium? was it easy?
Yes,it was easy.Byzantium had only 20000 soldiers at the time of the attack and the Turks had 200000.
they had a cannon called "great Turkish bombard
Yes,which was invented by a Hungarian called Unyadi who wanted to sell it first to the byzantine Emperor.
and after we got Istanbul we didn't destroy any religion or cultural thing there. even respected to orthodox people
Yes,because Istanbul most likely surrendered and by the law of Quran,Muslims do not destroy cities which surrender to them and let orthodox Christians keep their faith under condition to give 10% of their income as tax.
at that time ottomans were very rich too, they were always winning the wars so gaining spoils, taking taxes etc
Yes,they got richer by collecting everything which was produced in Balkans and Arab world by the working folks.When they lost their conquests,they became suddenly poor.
as a sick state
At least some true words.Indeed the ottoman Empire was described as the sick man of Europe.Some nations have to give explanations why they prolonged its existence for so long.
we had to revolt against ottomans much before
How to revolt against the Ottomans when the Ottomans were actually you?You had to revolt against yourselves.
say before eu - after eu
Before EU accession Greece had greater GDP per capita than Portugal and Spain.After Greece joined EU,Spain has surpassed Greece in terms of GDP per capita and Portugal is close.What are you talking about?
true, you are right about it.
I know I am right.Do you see?Everyone had their role.Greeks,Jews and Armenians were competitors in business and Ottomans favored mostly Jews.That's why Jews in Salonica were sad when Greek army liberated the city from Ottomans and so they voted against Venizelos(you know what I mean).
before world war I ottomans had 21 million population
You distract data.Ottoman Empire before WW1 contained today's Macedonia,Iraq,Syria,Palestine,Saudi Arabia,Qatar,Albania and south Bulgaria.So it had much more population than Turkey after the war which had only 7 million(now it has 10 times more).
it was a war with mutual dead
It was ethnic cleansing.Greeks near Pontos in Trapezounta,Samsunta who fought with the Armenians had to get out as well.Neoturks had already began the ethnic cleansing before WW1.
also tell how many turks forced and killed by Greece? be at least a little objective.
500000 Turks out of Macedonia and 200000 out of Creta.However by the treaty of Lausanne in 1923 250000 Greeks remained in Istanbul and 150000 Turks remained in Thrace.Now after the pogrom in 1954 there are 4000 Greeks in Istanbul while the Turks in Thrace have increased over 200000.
called "eoka".
to kill people in Turkish villages
I hope you do not want to open the issue since there are Englishmen watching the forum as well.
killing kurds?
Yes.
Turkey is country of Kurds and Turks. and many other nations inside. we are brother people. if you ask Kurds they will be going to say the same thing.
Kurds strongly deny they are the same with Turks.You regard them as Turks.They form 25% of population in Turkey.
is pkk terror
US regards similar Kurdish organizations in northern Iraq as liberators and freedom fighters.
or blame my nation unfairly
Fairly.There was 400 years occupation,what more is needed?
southern
26 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Ha,ha where did you find this video?It is a group of comedians from Thessaloníki.They are very funny.
Ha,ha where did you find this video?It is a group of comedians from Thessaloníki.They are very funny.
southern
26 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Who wrote that Greeks look like Slavs?Only Greeks in northern borders and some villages in central Greece look like Slavs.There are about 3000 Greek villages and towns with Slavic names for example Zlatina,Zarko etc.
Greeks in Thrace look different than Turks in Thrace.They also look different from Greeks on islands.
Greeks in western Greece(Epirus) look like Albanians(south Albanians or Toscas). They have the same facial characteristics,the same mentality(stubborn,we say Albanian head=stubborn or epirus head=stubborn or arbanitic head=stubborn again).
Greeks in Serres,Drama which are close to Bulgaria look very much like Bulgarians because there lived Bulgarians for centuries.
Greeks in Florina,Kilkis close to FYROM look like Slavomacedonians because there lived Slavomacedonians.In fact many of them are Slavomacedonians who speak Greek.
Greeks on Aegean islands close to Turkey(Rhodes,Kos,Chios) look like Turks and have very similar mentality.(Turks are described as lazy,angry,dumb,we say angry as a Turk,Turks are bundala=dumb in Turkish language etc).
Let's see some facts.
Istanbul(Constantinopol) under Greeks till 1453:The richest city in Europe,1 million population,a lot of monuments,science,arts,some of the best philosophers,mathematicians of the time.
Istanbul after 1453 till today under Turks:The poorest capital in Europe,no science,no progress at all.
Greece before Turkish occupation in 15th century:A rigorous place with lots of monuments,economical development.
Greece under Turkish occupation:Backwards,primitive place,no development,no Renaissance,no industrial revolution.
Greece free from Turkish occupation between 1912-now:GDP increase to 28000$ per capita close to Italy(32000),Spain.
Greek fleet the 2nd largest in the world.
Turkish GDP per capita today remains at 10000$,among the lowest in Europe(only Moldova and Albania have lower),close to other 3rd world countries.
Under Ottomans:Business,commerce run by Greeks and Jews.Turks sleep and collect the taxes with the help of Albanians.
In 20th century the Turks:
kill 500000 Armenians between 1914-1922
force out 1.5 million Greeks in 1922 and kill a lot
force out 250000 Greeks from Istanbul in 1954
invade Cyprus and force out 250000 Greek Cypriots in 1974
have killed and forced out dozens of thousands of Kurds in the last 25 years
send their planes repeatedly above the Greek islands and have created conflicts which almost led to war in 1987,1996.
threaten to invade Greece,threaten to invade Iraq
support all Islamic movements in Balkans
Greeks look like Slavs
Who wrote that Greeks look like Slavs?Only Greeks in northern borders and some villages in central Greece look like Slavs.There are about 3000 Greek villages and towns with Slavic names for example Zlatina,Zarko etc.
Greeks in Thrace look different than Turks in Thrace.They also look different from Greeks on islands.
Greeks in western Greece(Epirus) look like Albanians(south Albanians or Toscas). They have the same facial characteristics,the same mentality(stubborn,we say Albanian head=stubborn or epirus head=stubborn or arbanitic head=stubborn again).
Greeks in Serres,Drama which are close to Bulgaria look very much like Bulgarians because there lived Bulgarians for centuries.
Greeks in Florina,Kilkis close to FYROM look like Slavomacedonians because there lived Slavomacedonians.In fact many of them are Slavomacedonians who speak Greek.
Greeks on Aegean islands close to Turkey(Rhodes,Kos,Chios) look like Turks and have very similar mentality.(Turks are described as lazy,angry,dumb,we say angry as a Turk,Turks are bundala=dumb in Turkish language etc).
Let's see some facts.
Istanbul(Constantinopol) under Greeks till 1453:The richest city in Europe,1 million population,a lot of monuments,science,arts,some of the best philosophers,mathematicians of the time.
Istanbul after 1453 till today under Turks:The poorest capital in Europe,no science,no progress at all.
Greece before Turkish occupation in 15th century:A rigorous place with lots of monuments,economical development.
Greece under Turkish occupation:Backwards,primitive place,no development,no Renaissance,no industrial revolution.
Greece free from Turkish occupation between 1912-now:GDP increase to 28000$ per capita close to Italy(32000),Spain.
Greek fleet the 2nd largest in the world.
Turkish GDP per capita today remains at 10000$,among the lowest in Europe(only Moldova and Albania have lower),close to other 3rd world countries.
Under Ottomans:Business,commerce run by Greeks and Jews.Turks sleep and collect the taxes with the help of Albanians.
In 20th century the Turks:
kill 500000 Armenians between 1914-1922
force out 1.5 million Greeks in 1922 and kill a lot
force out 250000 Greeks from Istanbul in 1954
invade Cyprus and force out 250000 Greek Cypriots in 1974
have killed and forced out dozens of thousands of Kurds in the last 25 years
send their planes repeatedly above the Greek islands and have created conflicts which almost led to war in 1987,1996.
threaten to invade Greece,threaten to invade Iraq
support all Islamic movements in Balkans
southern
26 May 2008
Genealogy / Are all Poles blue eyed and blonde? [450]
They appear to be Slavs genetically,in fact among the purest Slavs.They have also less diversity and mixes than other neighbouring folks.
appear to be typical northern Europeans genetically
They appear to be Slavs genetically,in fact among the purest Slavs.They have also less diversity and mixes than other neighbouring folks.
southern
25 May 2008
southern
25 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Right.Do you know that the haplotype R1a can be found in a frequency of 25% among people of Thessaloniki?Do you know that cities of northern Greece like Florina,Serres have a R1a frequency(slavic haplotype) about 40%?There is significant slavic mix and it is obvious and known historically.Many Greeks in north,central Greece look exactly the same with Serbs,they even have slavic accent.(ThessaLoniki they say with fat L like the Slavs).
Albanians.I agree that Arbanites are descendants from Albanians.They are still in Greece.But what is the origin of Albanians?No matter how much you search you will never find the answer.It is extremely complicated.
Also Vlachs.Probably they come from Romania(Vlachia) but they always had greek national conscience.They fought for Greece and spoke greek(except from some Romanophiles).In Bitola in FYROM there are Vlachs who 80 years ago spoke greek and now speak slavomacedonian.Anyway.
The Turks vanished from Peloponese after revolution in 1821.They also vanished from Athens.
In 1881 they got out of Thessalia.
In 1918-1923 they got out of Macedonia(500000),Kreta(200000).Now they remain only in Thrace(200000),Rhodes and Kos.(small minorities).
Why you talk about that we are partly Slavonic
Right.Do you know that the haplotype R1a can be found in a frequency of 25% among people of Thessaloniki?Do you know that cities of northern Greece like Florina,Serres have a R1a frequency(slavic haplotype) about 40%?There is significant slavic mix and it is obvious and known historically.Many Greeks in north,central Greece look exactly the same with Serbs,they even have slavic accent.(ThessaLoniki they say with fat L like the Slavs).
and you don't mention our other roots ?
Albanians.I agree that Arbanites are descendants from Albanians.They are still in Greece.But what is the origin of Albanians?No matter how much you search you will never find the answer.It is extremely complicated.
Also Vlachs.Probably they come from Romania(Vlachia) but they always had greek national conscience.They fought for Greece and spoke greek(except from some Romanophiles).In Bitola in FYROM there are Vlachs who 80 years ago spoke greek and now speak slavomacedonian.Anyway.
The Turks vanished from Peloponese after revolution in 1821.They also vanished from Athens.
In 1881 they got out of Thessalia.
In 1918-1923 they got out of Macedonia(500000),Kreta(200000).Now they remain only in Thrace(200000),Rhodes and Kos.(small minorities).
southern
25 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Are you crazy?Turks cousins of Greeks?You think Demosthenes and Aristoteles were Turks?And Plato wore jijab and ate kebab?
The Seltzuk Turks came from Turkmenistan pressed by the Chinese who were pressed by the Mongols in the 12th century.And the Ottomans came directly from Mongolia pressed by Dzengish Khan.
Tamerlan almost dissolved the Ottomans and imprisoned Vajiazit in 1402.Greeks were allies with Tamerlan but he did not manage to finish his work because a revolution in China took place.
The Turks ruled over Greece 400 years.They are responsible for the disgrace and backwards customs of all these years as well as for the lack of any monuments and the destruction of the already existed.Turks brought the places which they conquered into primitive situation.They were worse than the Mongols.
Also as Macchiaveli wrote Turks had the bad habit to settle in the land they ruled.This created all the tensions in Balkans and continues to create tensions.
Souther !!! Turks are our cousins. We are ancient nation, some Greeks have Egiptian blood, some have Slavic. Most of us have Turks blood.
Are you crazy?Turks cousins of Greeks?You think Demosthenes and Aristoteles were Turks?And Plato wore jijab and ate kebab?
The Seltzuk Turks came from Turkmenistan pressed by the Chinese who were pressed by the Mongols in the 12th century.And the Ottomans came directly from Mongolia pressed by Dzengish Khan.
Tamerlan almost dissolved the Ottomans and imprisoned Vajiazit in 1402.Greeks were allies with Tamerlan but he did not manage to finish his work because a revolution in China took place.
The Turks ruled over Greece 400 years.They are responsible for the disgrace and backwards customs of all these years as well as for the lack of any monuments and the destruction of the already existed.Turks brought the places which they conquered into primitive situation.They were worse than the Mongols.
Also as Macchiaveli wrote Turks had the bad habit to settle in the land they ruled.This created all the tensions in Balkans and continues to create tensions.
southern
25 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
You know very well that Germany does not want Turkey into EU and uses Greek opposition as an alibi.In reality german politicians inspire greek ones to oppose Turkey and silently support them.
A slogan from greek revolution in 1821:
No Turk in Peloponese,no Turk in the world
Song in greek special forces
Do you see them?
They call them Ottomans
We will make our boots with their skin
why isn't Greece inviting all these turkish dregs from Germany
You know very well that Germany does not want Turkey into EU and uses Greek opposition as an alibi.In reality german politicians inspire greek ones to oppose Turkey and silently support them.
A slogan from greek revolution in 1821:
No Turk in Peloponese,no Turk in the world
Song in greek special forces
Do you see them?
They call them Ottomans
We will make our boots with their skin
southern
25 May 2008
Genealogy / Polish looks? [1410]
Germanic look.Can be belgian,dutch,normandic.Even skandinavian if we had the opportunity to see the body as well.
My turn to ask what's my look ? :)
Germanic look.Can be belgian,dutch,normandic.Even skandinavian if we had the opportunity to see the body as well.
southern
25 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Stop the nonsense.Last week turkish fighter planes passed above greek islands in aegean sea 100 times.Sometimes they passed every half an hour and there were iconic air battles against greek planes.What kind of friends are these?
Can't you for a while hold your planes in turkish territory?
Marek I will put it simple for you.Tell me one turkish invention or scientific discovery,just one or any cultural achievement(except from the turkish moustache which spread throught Europe in 17th century).
We Greeks had so many wars with Turks and now we are living like friends.
Stop the nonsense.Last week turkish fighter planes passed above greek islands in aegean sea 100 times.Sometimes they passed every half an hour and there were iconic air battles against greek planes.What kind of friends are these?
Can't you for a while hold your planes in turkish territory?
Marek I will put it simple for you.Tell me one turkish invention or scientific discovery,just one or any cultural achievement(except from the turkish moustache which spread throught Europe in 17th century).
southern
24 May 2008
southern
24 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
I cannot say the same for Turks.
The Nazis took science, research and cinematography, for example to new, undreamed of heights....
I cannot say the same for Turks.
southern
24 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
In what sense?
Meaning civilization.What monuments did it build,what kind of education did it offer,how much progress in science did it make.
I know that by Osman standards they did excellent since they reached an unbeatable degree of laziness.
that the state of Osman Turkey was superior even to the empires of Great Britain
In what sense?
When you assert that Turkey has done nothing for 500 years, you assert plain and simple nonsense! How do you measure your opposing standard of 'something'
Meaning civilization.What monuments did it build,what kind of education did it offer,how much progress in science did it make.
Are you measuring against Western or Osman standards?
I know that by Osman standards they did excellent since they reached an unbeatable degree of laziness.
southern
24 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Everybody in Balkans hates Turks(except Albanians). Guess why.
Seldom a Greek fighting a Turk thought that he fights against his brother.
You mean the Yenitsari who were forced to become Muslims after being kidnapped from their families?Or the Greeks in western coast of Asia Minor who became islamized?
No way.They are both Slavs.Greeks feel a lot closer to Slavs than to Turks.In fact everyone in Balkans denies any relationship to Turks.It is considered to be a disgrace.
No way you are Greek.Unless you happen to stay now for vacation.
Why do you hope?Turks have built absolutely nothing the 500 years they occupied Balkans.They turned the region which was developed before they appeared into a backwards region centuries behind other European nations.Due to Turks Renaissance and industrial Revolution never reached Balkans.Every bad trait in region is attributed to Turkish occupation.So why be grateful?
When you hate Turks
Everybody in Balkans hates Turks(except Albanians). Guess why.
We are like brothers
Seldom a Greek fighting a Turk thought that he fights against his brother.
one blood and two countries
You mean the Yenitsari who were forced to become Muslims after being kidnapped from their families?Or the Greeks in western coast of Asia Minor who became islamized?
It is like relationship between Russians and Poles.
No way.They are both Slavs.Greeks feel a lot closer to Slavs than to Turks.In fact everyone in Balkans denies any relationship to Turks.It is considered to be a disgrace.
Greetings form Greece !
No way you are Greek.Unless you happen to stay now for vacation.
I hope you love Turkey !
Why do you hope?Turks have built absolutely nothing the 500 years they occupied Balkans.They turned the region which was developed before they appeared into a backwards region centuries behind other European nations.Due to Turks Renaissance and industrial Revolution never reached Balkans.Every bad trait in region is attributed to Turkish occupation.So why be grateful?
southern
24 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Leave the Israelis in peace.This topic is about Turks.There are dozens of topics about Jews in PF,you can write there if you want.
Israelis burn books. Israelis kill kids because they are Christians. Israelis hold Palestinians in ghettos. Israelis have one of the most segregated countries.
Leave the Israelis in peace.This topic is about Turks.There are dozens of topics about Jews in PF,you can write there if you want.
southern
23 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
The killing of all armenian population in Turkey(500000) can be described as genocide.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
is genocide, not massacre
The killing of all armenian population in Turkey(500000) can be described as genocide.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
southern
23 May 2008
southern
23 May 2008
Life / Poles are not racist [873]
Generally in Poland there are so many Slavs that you feel rather comfortable.
Generally in Poland there are so many Slavs that you feel rather comfortable.
southern
23 May 2008
southern
23 May 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
I thought the topic was about Turks.How could the Jews blend again inside?
Jews
the Jews
that the Jews
whose Jews were
I thought the topic was about Turks.How could the Jews blend again inside?
southern
22 May 2008
Love / Polish women are the most beautiful in the world! [1718]
Can the Satan come in the form of a polish woman?
Can the Satan come in the form of a polish woman?
southern
22 May 2008
Love / Polish women are the most beautiful in the world! [1718]
The writers were too shy to reveal what God created in the 8th day for eye candy.
Also, the Bible doesn't say anything about Polish women
The writers were too shy to reveal what God created in the 8th day for eye candy.