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Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Whilst Germany might be able to do that.

With Germany it might have something to do with Lebensraum, Slavic subhumans and all this bullsh*t. Suffice it to say that no prominent NDek had ever expressed his admiration for Hitler or III Reich (like Jędrzej Giertych did for Franco's Spain). They were profoundly anti-German.

Dolfuss and Hitler

Oh, I though you meant "Dolfuss" as in "Adolfus", like play on words or something. I now used Google and found out, for the first time in my life, that there was an Austrian guy called Engelbert Dollfuß. Is that whom you meant? Sorry, but I am not a specialist on tiny European pre-war statelets.

So authoritarianism, and yes, fascism.

Authoritarian, yes. Fascist, no.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

The were for Poland

Of course. But - as I explained to Jonster above - they leaned with more sympathy towards Russia for very commonsensical and practical reasons. Being Russophile doesn't necessarily mean loving all things Russian unconditionally.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

They really were. The endeks were admirers of Dolfuss' Austrofascism.

It's unbelievable that an intelligent person can say such galactic nonsense. If they had been admirers of Adolf, they would have preferred alliance with him and not with Russians. Actually, Dmowski and Endecja were strongly anti-German and saw Germany as a long-term threat to Poland, particularly in regions like Silesia, Pomerania, and Greater Poland.

So looking towards authoritarianism rather than freedom.

Sure, Endecja favored a strong, authoritarian Polish state but they did not embrace totalitarian or fascist governance in the way Hitler's regime did. Endecja leaned towards a nationalist, Catholic, and conservative vision rather than a mass-mobilized fascist dictatorship. And your reproach against them for wanting the alliance with Russia doesn't take into account that back then we had potential enemies from the east and from the west; the difference was that the eastern ones were our kin, and the western ones viewed Slavs (including Poles) as an inferior race meant for subjugation, and their goal of gaining more Lebensraum threatened our very existence.

Please, remember about all these factors, Jonny Lad, and don't make me call you a son of a Brit again.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Fascists

Now that's a bit harsh, isn't it? They weren't fascists but genuine Polish patriots who saw the future of their country in alliance with Russia rather than with perfidious Albion (the sponsor of Prussia--the main force behind the partitions of Poland--in the XVIII century) or weakened and unreliable France. The huge financial support that Britain directed towards Prussia in the 18th century, to weaken France, contributed to the rise of Prussian power and facilitated later partitions of Poland - which Britain pragmatically accepted, because Russia was seen as a better stabilising element in the east of Europe.

Both world wars, the expansion of Russia, the rise of the Soviet Union and today's war in Ukraine all stem from this original sin of modern Europe, from this vomit-inducing act of geopolitical cannibalism - the partitions of Poland. And it all happened because Britain in the 18th century had
a collective hard on for authoritarian states like
Prussia and Russia. Probably to make up for what they lacked in their own trousers.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

not Russophiles

You would be surprised how many of them were. After all, Dmowski's Narodowa Demokracja was one of the most important political movements in pre-war Poland, and had many adherents, followers and sympathisers. There were many Russophiles among them, and yet they fought Russians when there was such need. I will fight Russia too if there is such need but it is our patriotic duty to try and avoid this war if possible.

Please don't lol Spare us

There is no poetry in you, Paulina. No poetry at all.

But very well. Nie to nie. *pouts*

Ironside has ten options and one or two emergency ones to try out one by one.

Good! That's exactly the approach we need and not the "oh, America won't agree" or "what will Russia say" cr*p.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Torq is a Russophile

I am a heterosexual man. To be a heterosexual man and not be a Russophile is near impossible. I shall explain later, now I really have to go.

See ya.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

I'm with you all the way! *squeezes thumbs*

🍺🍺🍺

keep those personal jabs where they belong

0_0

What personal jabs? Jaysus...

Anyways, gotta beat it. Don't start any wars with Russia while I'm not here. ;)
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

"Strong, nuclear, pro-western Poland"....I agree.

But this is selbstverständlich!

And our official neutrality would take away from the Russians the argument that Poland is a threat to them (strongest easternmost NATO outpost at Russia's borders blah blah blah). In such conditions we could be Russian-friendly because there would be no risk of Russian invasion towards West. The EU would once again get cheap Russian energy (think about German industry!), the peace would reign, and we would be able to relieve our American friends from the sad and difficult duty of defending us.

A win-win-win-win (the EU, Russia, the USA, the world) situation.

imagine a pro-russian Poland with Moscow's thumb on the button...

They have a big enough button of their own. They don't need ours.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Why would we order pro-russian policies, even with a Russian-friendly government (getting cheap energy from them etc.), if the EU (especially Germany) remained our largest trade partner and the guarantee of our economic well-being? Doesn't make sense.

The only reason why Russians are contemplating aggression against Western Europe is our weakness. Strong, nuclear Poland, would be an insurmountable obstacle on their way.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Do you really think they will leave you alone?

Think about it...

If we had 200 nuclear warheads (10-20 megaton each), deployed, modern, top-notch technology. And if only 50 out of these 200 nukes reached 50 most populous Russian cities (out of each 4 fired only 1 reached its target) - ask ChatGPT what would happen; it can list all the cities together with numbers of predicted casualties etc. Horrible, terrifying and unacceptable.

Of course, Poland would be totally annihilated in such case as well, but the point is Russia would never risk such destruction of their own core lands for the "rich grounds of western Europe" (they have enough riches of their own, they only have to use them).

Nukes in Poland = Peace with Russia

a russian-friendly gov in Warsaw

We would probably be Russian friendly, because why not? Why not be friendly towards a country that cannot threaten you in any way? We would be Russian-friendly, German-friendly, Brazilian-friendly, Canadian-friendly. On a good day we might even be French-friendly (but maybe here I go too far).
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

negotiate a way through for the Red Army

Military access would violate the country's neutrality. Even the Swiss, egoistical as they are, wouldn't do such thing, not to mention Poland.

Neutrality won't save us from RuSSia.

No, but nukes and strong army will. And then, being neutral will decrease the probability of war. Poland as the strongest NATO easternmost member is perceived by Russia as a threat, a neutral Poland wouldn't be such threat.

I don't think it's in Polish nature to be neutral lol ;)

Haha, tell me about it - I was a skinhead after all (a long time ago)! It's not in Polish bachelor/maiden nature to be neutral. When one has children the belligerence level tends to shift to 'neutral' rather quickly. You will see it yourself one day. ;)
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

we have to look out at least to some extent for the well being and interests of other EU countries, because we're all in it together

Hmm... that's true.

Trump has managed to dismantle the 80-year-old American world domination, as well as any credibility of the USA as a NATO ally. So, in such case another scenario can be contemplated: European military alliance, without Americans, possibly even outside NATO structures. There are, however, so many possible problems with such an alliance that neutrality seems a better idea.

with such neighbour like RuSSia - I'm afraid that's impossible/dangerous.

Switzerland went neutral precisely because throughout history it had aggressive neighbours (Napoleonic France and Nazi Germany among others). Being neutral, and of course being militarily very strong ("les peuples libres ont besoin des canons" and all that), actually decreases the potential risk of an armed conflict.

Ireland and Austria are both the EU members and neutral. Poland should follow in their footsteps.

ignorant and egoistical second Swiss nobody needs or wants!

But Switzerland is a military hedgehog! Imagine if Poland were such a hedgehog, near impossible to go through and with nukes - that would mean that Germany are protected with an iron shield from the East (and from the West France isn't such a huge threat these days, are they?).
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Just don't let anybody talk you out of them...

We won't.

...always remember what happened to Ukraine!

Yip. It's good to learn from one's own mistakes, but even better to learn from the mistakes of others.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

So sophisticated weapons

If they had such weapons, they would make sure the world knew about them.

Before all those conditions are fulfilled - it is a question of the next generation.

We have to plan long-term. We are not some scumbag politicians thinking only in terms of getting elected for the next four years - we are a Patriotic Think Tank, we must plan deeper.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
Off-Topic / Random Sports News [855]

He looks like a fish that jumped out of its tank😂

Ridiculous. It doesn't happen in handball or ice hockey because there are rules penalizing such behaviour. Similar rules should be introduced in football.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Poland will do, too?

Poland will get the nukes and go neutral. This way we will not be dragged into other people's wars. We will be Slavic Switzerland, only bigger, stronger and eventually richer. That's the plan anyway. :)

They even don`t need nukes. Especially Russia.

If Russia didn't have nukes, there wouldn't be any Russia at the moment.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1090]

`Giver of the Stone age`.

But you said that Germans are practically Slavic anyway, so why bomb them?

Racowie have different plans.

*afraid to ask*
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1090]

`special military operation`

Don't even tell me about this 'operation' of our not-so-dobri brat Putin. Before it reaches Eastern Germany it would have to go through Poland. Surely that's not what you want, brate?
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1090]

POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL

Actually, Poland is Western, Central, Eastern and Southern. Here's the map of early Poland...

Poland 600-900

... with various Polish tribes (Western, Southern and Eastern marked).
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Poland needs the EU to eat and the US to stay alive

Poland had eaten since 966 to 2004, for over 1000 years without the EU, and has been alive for even longer without the US so you are wrong on both points.

What Poland doesn't need, though, are arrogant pricks telling us what we can or cannot do. If the USA continues in this vein, they will be kindly asked to f*ck off back where they came from.

what would Poland with nukes?

Exactly the same thing that Russia, China, France, Britain or Pakistan do with their nukes. Nothing.
Torq   
21 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Poland will never get consent

Poland is an independent country. We need nobody's consent.

Besides, it would be in Russia's best interest for Poland to be neutral, instead of the strongest eastern NATO outpost, so I don't think they would oppose. Of course, initially they might feel their typical Polonophobic paranoia, but then logic and common sense would outweigh the paranoia.
Torq   
21 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

In recent news we have all heard the will to possess nuclear weapons expressed emphatically by Polish politicians, and when both the politicians and the people want the same thing, then it is probably going to happen eventually.

So my question is: should Poland declare neutrality after acquiring nukes, building a strong professional army, supplemented by conscription-based units and a Swiss-model territorial defense? My answer to this question is 'yes'. Being a part of a larger defensive alliance is, at the moment, necessary. Without nukes and with an average army we might easily fall prey to foreign invasion. Hence the necessity of being a part of a larger alliance.

However, with 200 nuclear warheads (10-20 megaton each) and a Swiss-level conventional impermeability we could and should go neutral. We wouldn't need any foreign support in case of war, and there would be no risk of us being drawn into a conflict by our potential belligerent and expansive allies. It would also open us to cooperation with countries who were traditionally considered our rivals, because they would be free of the temptation of conquering us and we could finally build healthy mutual relations.

Your thoughts?
Torq   
21 Mar 2025
Off-Topic / Random Sports News [855]

Poland - Samogitia 0:0 HT

Ridiculous.

They need to step it up in the second half. Probierz should be sacked ASAP, he's clueless.
Torq   
20 Mar 2025
Polonia / Polish bus crash in Croatia. Is there a fate? [229]

Known by sane people as.... Macedonia.

Exactly. Maybe Crow is now a Greek patriot and his motto is "Una faccia una razza /μια φάτσα μια ράτσα"? I never thought I would see this. Whatever next? Crow converting to Catholicism and going on a pilgrimage to Rome?