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@amiga500
Firstly because the US will not give them one. Followed by there is no Uranium or Plutonium in Poland after the USSR mined it all for their own nukes. No place to test a nuke in Poland either. As for Belarus getting Russian nukes, Belarus doesnt control them.


WTF are you talking about? Ukraine threw themselves at Russia, not the US. Now you can fvck off.

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@Torq
For the glory of saving US taxpayer money while stoping the far left globalist propaganda.

@Velund
Great point. Europe has essentially been fvcking the US for decades and now when the US wont do what Europe demands, Europeans forget who they were fvcking.

JD Vance says nukes to Poland from the US unlikely. And thats good news. Putting nukes in Poland would be a mistake and would almost certainly guarantee WW3. Poland just needs to continue building its military and re-arming. Everyone in Poland who is able bodied should learn the basics of shooting, and defense. There should be no upward age limits on this either. I know plenty of men in their 50's and 60's who could and would fight for Poland. Plenty of older smart men and women who could serve in many positions of support.

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@pawian
Again showing you dont know the US at all. The government regularly buys all excess grains, dairy and other items for the military and poor. Those of us who grew up poor understand the free government cheese programs among others. It really is funny reading posts about the US from all you US experts who dont know anything at all.

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@Torq
Lol I am glad you think its time. The nukes were kept in good order and not at a small expense. You think French and UK nukes can protect the EU from Russia? Please. Missile defense systems would be useless in less than ten minutes.

The US spere of influence? You mean like how the EU has fvcked the US in every trade deal, and US presidents bent over and said thanks, whos next?

The US did not buy tanks, but the US has wholely supported Poland to say otherwise is simply a lie. The US has sold the absolute best fighter planes to Poland and others, and its not the US country thats making the money. Where would the EU be without US made weapons, and where will it go if the US kits the kill switch if the EU abandoned the dollar and all those missiles bcome useless?

While I appreciate your protectionist stance for Poland, I genuinely do, your stance on the EU wears rose colored glasses. You do not understand the US way of thinking, and that is the root of things. If you think the US bent countries over, and I agree in some cases, imagine how fvcked the world would be if the US had not bent some of them over. Imagine the jihadists in Europe, and make no mistake, they are here, and more coming. This is the globalist European agenda for the last 15 years. Who do you think can help stop that agenda?

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@Torq
How about the cold war? How about all the military bases in Europe for its protection? Maybe share in the cost of maintaining the US nukes that protect Europe? And how about all the NATO expenses the US paid while Europe sat with its thumb up its ass?

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@pawian
And the US government will buy all the remaining stock of grains and meat for the military and poor people. China cant compete with the US, their economy is cratering faster than their population.

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@Ironside
I dont think the US would ever be worried about Europe. But I do think the EU is long overdue to re-arm itself. As I said, my only concerns are Poland and the US. Of note, Verderkunt in Brussles is no longer pushing for a 50% tariff on American whiskey after Trump said Europe would get a 200% tariff on all alcohol. Europe can be strong, but it does not have an economy to threaten the US.

@Torq
That sending a bill idea is a solid one. In turn the US should send invoices to Europe for protection the last 80 years, and for all the military bases. Brilliant. I love when math is such common sense.

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@Ironside
Does Europe think continuing the war is a good idea? Does Europe think they can take on Russia by themselves? Any French/UK force in Ukraine doesnt bit the US in the ass at all. I think its just laughable to say a few thousand men would be a deterant to Putin if he wanted to start fighting after a peace plan is done. All of the showboating by Macron and Starmer is just that. Russia could mobilize millions of men in short order, granted most would be meat grinder material, but that doesnt bother Russians. France and the UK could put together how many? Poland is in the strongest defensive position in Europe behind Turkey. My only two concerns are for Poland and the US. At least Poland has woken up and done things for itself. Germany and France are still looking for helmets and croisants.

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Once again Z replaces the head of the military as if the head of the military can solve the manpower problem that is the largest problem Ukraine has. Now this report about sanctions being lifted as part of a peace deal comes out politico.eu/article/war-in-ukraine-peace-deal-russia-sanctions-relaxation-vladyslav-vlasiuk/

France and the UK are preparing plans to deploy forces in Ukraine as "peace keepers" just as Russia has said that any peace plan must include no NATO for Ukraine. And somehow France and the UK think that as NATO members they will be just fine being a part of this.

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@pawian
Unfortunately, when people stop listening, I stop communicating. I have found this policy to work the best.

Meanwhile, all reports out of Kursk are that Ukraine is taking every opportunity to get men out. They are nearly completely encircled. Putin has said if those men in Kursk surrender he will keep them alive and treat them humanely. While I dont believe humane treatment will be given as the western definition of humane treatment is vastly different than Russias, I do believe they wouldnt kill everyone. Right now, Kursk is a game of who flinshes first. Zelensky needs to get everyone out and back to Ukraine, or he will have some very difficult explaining to do the Ukraine people.

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@Torq
Some good ideas there. Very similar to the Swiss approach.

The good news is that Russia, US and Ukraine are still talking. And this is where I think the EU, US and Ukraine fvcked up by closing off all communication for the last three years. You cannot end a war without talking at some point.

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@Mr Grunwald
And this is my point. I think trade should be free, or equal tariffs. And if the EU fvcks with Trump too much he has no problem cutting trade with the EU just to prove a point. Then countries like Italy, Hungary and others would break with the EU and do bilateral trade agreements with the US. It is such a large trade deficit for the US that it could be used to break the EU. The US can do just fine without EU goods, not the other way around.

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@Mr Grunwald
You dont need tariffs on US food. Most things are not allowed in because they use chemicals and artificial dyes. And I am glad for this. Great point on American cars being too big, especially in Poland. When I see imported US cars like a Cadilac Escalade I just laugh. Lots of people importing pickup trucks now though. So the VAT on an imported car is much higher than any car sent to the US from Europe. They should be made to match. Simple solution and then let the consumer decide.

Following that thinking though, all the other US goods, like clothes, electronics and so on, the VAT is excessive compared to tariffs on EU goods to the US. And that VAT is on top of EU tariffs on the goods themselves. Example is I bought a pair of Levi's the other week in Poland more than 400 pln, anywhere in the US you can get them for about half that cost. Guess and other items my wife likes I buy in the US and bring back because they are half the cost as they are here. Theres a big inbalance.

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@Ironside
After 9/11 Article 5 was enacted by the US. Not everyone responded with manpower. Everyone "supported" the US effort, and provided some sort of assistance. This directly from the NATO website;

The principle of providing assistance
With the invocation of Article 5, Allies can provide any form of assistance they deem necessary to respond to a situation. This is an individual obligation on each Ally and each Ally is responsible for determining what it deems necessary in the particular circumstances.

This assistance is taken forward in concert with other Allies. It is not necessarily military and depends on the material resources of each country. It is therefore left to the judgment of each individual member country to determine how it will contribute. Each country will consult with the other members, bearing in mind that the ultimate aim is to "to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area".

At the drafting of Article 5 in the late 1940s, there was consensus on the principle of mutual assistance, but fundamental disagreement on the modalities of implementing this commitment. The European participants wanted to ensure that the United States would automatically come to their assistance should one of the signatories come under attack; the United States did not want to make such a pledge and obtained that this be reflected in the wording of Article 5.

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@cms neuf
The tariffs from the EU are only on Whiskey. And California good wine is next to impossible to get here. Garbage Carlo Rossi and other cheap ones are everywhere. Try to find top shelf wine and its next to impossible. Europeans arent paying 250 Euro for a top US wine, or a thousand Euro for a bottle of Opus One. Wine is something I studied in my spare time and know it well, having owned three restaurants and selling it also gives me a pretty good knowledge base. Your statement on ordinary Americans is insulting, no matter how accurate it may be. This is just another example of why som many people are no longer participating on PF.

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@cms neuf
The worst thing about arguing anything with you is that you dont know how google works. Try it. You might learn something. nytimes.com/2025/03/13/us/politics/trump-tariffs-wine-champagne-france.html

bbc.com/news/articles/c984pnedd6do

European Union Trade Summary

U.S. total goods trade with the European Union were an estimated $975.9 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to the European Union in 2024 were $370.2 billion, up 0.7 percent ($2.6 billion) from 2023. U.S goods imports from the European Union totaled $605.8 billion in 2024, up 5.1 percent ($29.4 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with the European Union was $235.6 billion in 2024, a 12.9 percent increase ($26.9 billion) over 2023.

Europe cannot compete with the US in a trade war. That is simply a fact that even the EU leaders understand. A 50% tariff on US whiskey? OK. A 200% tariff on all European alcohol sales and Ireland $hit itself because their whole industry would collapse. Europe will either do fair trade deals with the US, identical tariffs each way, or it will lose, and all of us here will be paying a lot more for everything. This goes for cars, parts, technology, clothes, computer software and everything else Europeans have grown accustomed to.

Everything Trump has said he would do is being done. This includes being the only world leader to start talking about a way to end the war. While all the other liberal left fvcktards want to keep the war going. What happens if the US steps out? Ukraine collapses because the EU cant replace the US. Funny how every EU leader says this but PF posters cant seem to understand it. Maybe its time to stop criticizing the US for things and be a little more thankful.

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@Miloslaw
California and NY wines are world class, European wines not needed. Beer in the US and its micro breweries, world class. Cadilac or BMW? Easily Cadilac. Electricity? You mean the Ontario threat of being cut off and then complete cratering when Trump boosted tariffs again? Steel? This doesnt effect every day people every day, its a long term effect. And, cheap steel is never good steel. So what cars cost more, and buildings cost more to build. Aluminum? More recylcling.

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@mafketis
There are several people here that like to talk $hit about Trump and the US. They like to say the US has the responsibility for Europe or Ukraine defense, but then they call Trump names, or say things that are anti US. Its tiring, and irritating. All the "we dont need the US" and the name calling is childish and frankly stupid.

What do tariffs have to do with this war? Tariffs are the new way forward for the US, or a return to the old way that built the US. And the EU cannot compete with or against the US. So, Europe will either make it so the trade is balanced, or the US will choke off Europe from the richest and largest economy in the world. This will also happen with the military in Europe. Like Canada tariffs on US agriculture goods ranging between 260 and 490%, the VAT in Europe is just another tariff on US goods. Its not about champagne, its about regular wine, cars and more, and Europe cannot afford to lose the American market. Europe cannot arm itself or build its armies without money, and that money comes from taxes and tariffs. France wine sales alone to the US, 4 billion dollars. Italy 2 billion and its 24% of all their sales. The US accounts for 31% of all European wine sales. All of this is connected.

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+ one million

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But fvck Trump and the US right?

And Putin now likes the potential for peace and wants further discussion. Yeah, Trump is terrible for the world. Fvck the US, and Europe will break free from all the problems the US has created. Eye roll

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Just when Ursula Van Derkunt gets tough and says the EU is going to tariff the US, Trump says there will be a new 200% tariff on all European wine. I imagine Italy will break with the EU stance and do an independent trade deal with the US quickly. France will be cleaning the $hit on their floors after hearing this and smaller countries with wine production could be decimated. But the US is going to break under EU pressure. LMAFO

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@Torq
It was not those wars that catapulted the US. The US was what catapulted the end to WW2. Lets be clear that without the US men, and US lend lease to Russia and their men, Europe would be speaking German. The fact that it took Pearl Harbor to get the US into the war, after the US provoked Japan by cutting off energy supplies is also over looked. The US helped rebuild Europe and Japan after the war. So its not just 250K men, its a lot more than that. And anyone thinking that Europe will suddenly be out from under the US does not understand the world today. Europe cannot afford to lose the US market, period. Watch how quickly divisions start in Europe as individual countries seek bilateral trade agreements with balanced tariffs.

Everyone here $hitting on the US now because it wants to take care of itself and the soup kitchen for beggars is closing up, really needs to think about what happens next.

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@Barney
If NATO was an offensive alliance, there would be no Article 5. That said, I do understand why Putin feels NATO is a threat since it has broken verbal promises not to expand. If Mexico brought in Russian troops, the US would see it as a potential attack. The US is ready to go into Mexico now for letting the illegals and drugs through the border, imagine what would happen if it were military. NATO's actions do not support their words in most cases.

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@Ironside
The US is not sending forces to Europe like they have done twice before if a NATO country is invaded. The would send forces to other NATO countries to protect the borders from further advances. Article 5 is not a commitment to forces, but a commitment to aid. IF Latvia or another country is invaded, Americans will not be sent to die for them. Americans will be sent to Poland and other NATO countries to stop the advance. Russia and the US do not want a direct conflict. No one wins that. NATO is a "defensive" alliance.

I believe Europe has every reason to be a little paranoid over Russia. But Europe has ignored their responsibilities to NATO funding, and to their own defense inspite of having this paranoia. And now they are playing catch up.

Russia has a few days to wrap up Kursk, and accept the cease fire, or I really believe Trump sends so many missiles that Ukraine can really hurt Russia's oil production. Without the oil production getting to the shadow fleet, Putin will lose funding for the war machine. He will also show Trump that there was no mutual respect, which will **** Trump off more than ten Zelenskys $hitting in the Oval Office. Trump is a New Yorker, and there is no real New Yorker who is ever going to let someone end the conversation without them getting the last fvck you.

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@Bratwurst Boy
Of course, because all the news reports and photographs are fakes. eye roll The far left Guardian report that Kursk is in final stage of removing Ukraine obviously done by some hacker.

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@Bobko
Your take on Kursk may be whats happening, or what happened. It looks like Ukraine will have everyone out before the end of the week. And your take on Trumps obsession with Obama and the peace prize is dead on. I remember that dinner and you could see the moment when Trump decided to run for president.

Putin will get the no NATO for Ukraine commitment from the US, and that alone might be anough to keep the US in NATO which is what Europe wants. In order to get that though, he has to give the US something. It wont be the territory they have already taken. Maybe it is some kind of commitment on the Balkans? I think both Putin and Trump are looking for ways to remove any chance of a direct US/Russia conflict.

What happens if Vlad says no? This would upset Trump and he would retailiate in any way he could to hurt Vlad. I really think Trump would send incredible amounts of long range weapons to Ukraine. Trump cant solve the manpower problem of Ukraine, but he could easily solve the issue of long range strikes being limited inside of Russia. I dont believe for one second the the US has low numbers of long range missiles. Production has been ramped up for three years. Massive attacks on refineries would really hurt Russia and the ability to keep funding the war. Sanctions on China and India may **** them off, but neither can afford to lose the US market. Chinas economy would collapse without the US. India would survive a little better, but cutting off any Visas for both countries would cause internal problems. I remain hopeful that Putin will say enough is enough.

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When people do not understand that the US faces the most unfair tariff inbalance in the world they usually cant balance a check book. All the socialist fvcktards want cheap garbage and expensive taxes to give every loser a basic income. Canada cant afford a trade war and Ontario just stopped their tariffs on energy exports because the US was replacing their supply on the grid. They would have lost a customer they cant afford to lose. Mexico and all the rest will fall in line over time. And I love how the market has corected itself. Having cash on the sidelines when the tariffs were announced is called opportunity to buy low.

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@Bobko
I think you see things pretty well most times. And I agree if Putin thinks he can retake Kursk in a week he will say he is studying things to buy that time. But, I dont think the take on Ukraine re-arming is accurate. The restarting of aid to Ukraine came because they broke to Trumps pressure. So, they get something for it, the carrot. But Ukraine knows they cant fight forever. They just dont have the men. With videos online of men being taken off the street against their will are everywhere, Zelensky is holding on to his political future for his life. I honestly dont think Vlad wants more of his own men killed either. Ukraine cannot replenish their manpower without lowering the conscription age again, and I think you would see a public turning on Zelensky if he tried.

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@Alien
Exchanging time for money is the poor mans way of thinking.

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@Velund
This is Vlads moment. This is the political statement of his career on the world stage. His ego may want more Ukraine land, but his pragmatic side will win the argument and agree to the cease fire. If Ukraine breaks the deal that allegedly has some guarantees for security attached, I think you would see everyone walk away from Ukraine. Lets be honest, Russia's ability to inflict damage on the US is minimal. Damage on Europe is also quite low since most trade has already stopped or could be replaced now that LNG is not needed by Europe. Russia has been isolated with the exception of India, China, NK and other dirt farmers. The Russian economy cannot continue in its current state for much longer. Not ending the war would likely be the end of Putin and I think he knows this.