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David_18   
1 May 2011
Life / Why Poles have so pro-emigration attitude? [92]

Imagine yourself being stuck in a cage for 70 years? and suddenly it opens? wouldnt you go F**** crazy and just explore the whole F***** world?
David_18   
15 Apr 2011
Life / How is red hair viewed in Poland [37]

I'm going to Poland in the summer, and I wanted to know what Poles thought of red hair?

If you gonna be in north of Poland then you will see some people with red hair. but in the south you wont find that many.

I guess people wont care about your hair color. I think they would care more if you were African or Asian.
David_18   
11 Dec 2010
News / "Wikileaks" Vatican officials saw Poland as 'US Trojan horse in Europe' [13]

The Vatican saw Poland as a "counterweight to Western European secularism", but many Holy See high ranking officials also regarded the nation as the US's "Trojan horse" within the EU, according to a 2006 US Embassy cable released by Wikileaks.

The US cable also notes "nationalistic or divisive forces with a Catholic label, such as media outlets under the control of Polish station Radio Maryja" and how a former Polish education minister, Roman Giertych, is a member of Opus Dei.

thenews.pl/international/artykul145259_vatican-officials-saw-poland-as-us-trojan-horse-in-europe.html

Down with Radio Maria!!!!!!!!! Worst propaganda machine since the Nazi regime!½
David_18   
25 Nov 2010
Life / Polish authors, books & literature. [95]

Some books i've been reading recently is.

Adam Zamoyski.
Warsaw 1920: Lenin's Failed Conquest of Europe

Adam Zamoyski.
Poland

Alex Storozynski.
The Peasant Prince: Thaddeus Kosciuszko and the Age of Revolution

All of them are awsome and i really recommend them!
David_18   
10 Nov 2010
Life / Class system in Poland - does it exist? [90]

I'm also surprised how many people make the point that they have noble origins, as if this in some way matters.

Yea what about that? does poles normally like to show off and talk about their noble origins?

A friends mother told me that having a noble origin often gave you easier jobs as an chief executive, manager etc etc.
David_18   
10 Nov 2010
Life / Class system in Poland - does it exist? [90]

Górale are Poles from very distinguish region with its own strong traditions but certainly consider themselves as Polish

Yes, but somehow they still distinguish themselfs from the rest of the polish society. I almost feel like coming to another country when i visit Zakopane.

What it goes for the village vs city or east vs west or warsaw vs rest of poland... there are some little sterotypes and people look down on others but not when they meet a real person.

I heard that Warsawians distinguish themself from the rest of Poland and sees themselfs as some kinda "upper class" and looks down on the villagers.

What about people from Poland A and Poland B? does the people from Poland A look down on the more poorer Poland B?
David_18   
10 Nov 2010
History / Are Poles happy with the current Polish borders? [134]

Wars are fought between nations. Poland lost the war against the Soviets.

Didn't we win the war togheter with the soviets? didn't our tropps fight side by side with the soviets?
David_18   
10 Nov 2010
History / Are Poles happy with the current Polish borders? [134]

Poland lost beautiful cities like Lwów, Wilno or Stanisławów but gained on the other hand highly industrialized lands with also beautiful cities (Wrocław, Gdańsk, maybe Szczecin). I think the western lands are strategically much more important and I'd not like to have our former eastern lands instead of current ones. Plus Poland is now ethnically homogoneus as opposed to the Parrabellum time

Actually all of those cities should belong to Poland.

Taking under consideration Polish situation in 45' we really cant complain about our borders.

I am definately happy about their current shape.

Yea maybe you should send a letter to the Russian goverment and thank them for cutting us out from our culture heritage like Lwow and Vilno.

On the other hand, Germany and Poland lost the war, the Soviets won it.

Interesting that Poland lost the war even though it was in the allied camp.
David_18   
10 Nov 2010
Life / Class system in Poland - does it exist? [90]

Actualy i heard it was the other way around. That the proud highlanders "Górale" looks down on the polish people and sees themselves as a minority.

I might be wrong.

Highlanders

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David_18   
10 Nov 2010
Life / Class system in Poland - does it exist? [90]

Does this exist?

3 years ago i discussed this with some friends at the pub. And one of my friends told me how his grandfathers parents refused to join the wedding when his grandfather and grandmother married just because she came from the village and they were from the city.

Does this problem still exist?

Does the Poles from the city stereotype the population from the villages as hillbillys?
David_18   
29 Oct 2010
News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [533]

you make me laugh, just because he was born there it does not make him Lithuanian. Pilsudski was a Pole living in Lithuania and stop rewriting history

He was a Polonized Lithuanian nobleman just like 99% of the nobility around Lithuania/Belarus/Ukraine. They all embraced polish culture.

The Piłsudski family is a family of nobility that originated in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and increased in notability under the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Second Polish Republic.

The Piłsudskis date back to pagan times in Lithuania and are recorded from the 13th century.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi%C5%82sudski_family
David_18   
28 Oct 2010
Life / The Polish Dream - move out from Poland as fast as possible [73]

Now, is it really greed...or is it just looking for something better???

It is indeed great for the ones that actually find a job in the Uk. But still its not fair for the young ones to travel abroad just to get a decent pay. I hope Poland will find a solution to this problem. Maybe we just have to wait 20-30 years. but i would rather see something happend before that.

My uncle is a teacher and i think he earns slightly more then 1000 Zloty, how is he supposed to make a living out of that? Poland needs to reform it's public sector, if not all the sectors...
David_18   
28 Oct 2010
Life / The Polish Dream - move out from Poland as fast as possible [73]

Really? Americans invented greed?

Haha i weren't that serious about that.

Indeed some people got it very harsh. But the majority moves abroad to have a more "western" lifestyle.

Really, straight from school, no qualifications, no experience?

Not without qualifications of course. Im talking about Lawyers and jobs in the finance sector.
David_18   
28 Oct 2010
Life / The Polish Dream - move out from Poland as fast as possible [73]

Have you ever worked in a proper entry level job in Poland?

Import/Export Business.

But i never had any regular job in Poland. Even though im well aware of the salaries in Poland

Wages range from 5-10zł per hour in a lot of places for people while they are at University and just after leaving.

I feel you, i really do. And i hope Poland will find a solution to this.

I can't think of any entry level job in Poland that pays 30zł an hour.

I know plenty ;)
David_18   
28 Oct 2010
Life / The Polish Dream - move out from Poland as fast as possible [73]

Im not blaming them, i just think it's a sad situation.

Polish Dream ....you cant eat a dream.

They got plenty of food at home. They want what the west got. The young generation is hungry for material stuff. Greed my friend, greed....

I blame the americans....
David_18   
28 Oct 2010
Life / The Polish Dream - move out from Poland as fast as possible [73]

I think most who went abroad plan to return.

We can only hope for the best.

The Polish people who I know have now bought their own homes (in Poland) after a number of years of saving, they are staying for a while longer to pay for the refurbishment.

It's good and bad. In the short term it's good but in the longterm this causes a huge braindrain in Poland.

What has happened is that they are used to good wages now and are worried that their standard of living will drop when they go home.

Yes and this has in it's wierd way encouraged other young poles to move abroad after seeing their friends return with plenty of money.

Ireland has given them money and work experience so perhaps they will be better placed to find reasonable work.

They could as well find work experience in Poland. Maybe their english skills are improved after some years in Ireland.
David_18   
28 Oct 2010
Life / The Polish Dream - move out from Poland as fast as possible [73]

One week ago i was speaking to my friends little brother what he wanted to do after he finished school. He told me that he would like to go to the U.K and find a job. I told him that i don't think its a good idea since many Poles return empty handed, but he told me that all his friends in his class had the same plans like him to move out from Poland as fast as possible and that he didn't want to waste his time in Poland.

From one point i do understand him, if he finds a job in the U.K he will probably earn aloot more then he would in Poland. But still it dosen't feel good to hear that the future of Poland is moving abroad. The conversation with him almost felt like he saw it more like an obligation to move out from Poland.

It will still take 20-30 years before Poland can compare itself to the economies in the west, but in those 20-30 years we will loose a whole generation. What did Poland do wrong? And what can Poland do to keep its children from moving abroad?
David_18   
27 Oct 2010
News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [533]

Hi guys, glad you in a good (proper Polish) mood :D

Only brothers can see through each other <3

I think both nations is pissed over loosing their former lands. And noone of us wants to admit our faults in the system of the commonwealth.

Anyway i would rather see both the Poles and Lithuanians to respect each others people in a civilized way.
David_18   
24 Oct 2010
News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [533]

Yes, and it is also not coincidence that part of Radziwills familly supported Swedes in wars with Poland in XVII. Terms of union of 1569 really didn't go well with Lithuanians

Only reason they wanted to be a vassal state of Sweden was to gain control over Lithuania. And actually not many members supported it, they saw it as a betrayal to their country the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

but later it is time to get over it and see history from different angles.

Iv'e been doing that the couple of years and my conclusion is very simple. Most of the szlachta were polonised and lived very happy untill P-L Commonwealth got divided. The peasants is another question. The ones in Poland had it good while the ones in Ukraine suffered more and the in Belarus and Lithuania it was also a bad situation since the Lithuanian Magnates Suppresed the peasants to gain maximum Profit. But all this changed of course duruing the late 18th century with the constituion and such.

Imagine this that it is not Kingdom of Poland who had an upper hand then but Duchy of Lithuania, imagine that it is not Kingdom of Poland who gets big chank of Ukraine but instead Duchy of Lithuania gets Masovia, Podlaskie, Lubelskie and Podkarpackie. How would you like that?

That would only mean a landloss for the magnates in those areas and maybe not even that since the Szlachta from all over the commonwealth owned land little everywhere in the Commonwealth. Polish was just a word that the Szlachta used as a status symbol.

As for those rights to their nobility, in modern terms we would call it political corruption...

And that we can see everywhere in the world. Can't really see a big difference on a Polish magnate and a Industrial baron in the US.

They seized all those lands after they were riuned by Mongol invasions. They didn't have enough manpower to keep them on their own for too long. If you compare the potential (economy, military etc.) of Poland and Grand Dutchy in that time It is at least 2:1 for Poland.

You took the words out of my mouth, enough said!
David_18   
24 Oct 2010
News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [533]

No they didn't, they were independent before the commonwealth.

You think i don't know that? I meant that they would have lost their independence if they wouldn't have joined the union due to the fact that Moscow was planing an invasion and were making a huge threat to the Lithuanian duchy.

This again? Lithuania was eaten up by Russia, it was in the U.S.S.R, remember?

I was talking about during that time. Not 200 years later.

You are wrong.

Am i? it was a wooden city before the poles came in and started to build up the city from the ground.
David_18   
24 Oct 2010
News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [533]

As for saving their asses in last centuries it is not so simple..

NO SHIIT?

Equality in Commonwealth ended in 1569 when they've lost at the same time independence and a lot of land.

Independence? The lithuanians gained independence and Culture from Poland. Without Poland they would have been eaten by the russians.

It was a union on Polish terms, many of Lithuanian nobles opposed it openly.

After the Union, the Lithuanian nobles had the same formal rights as the Polish Szlahta, some polish families were even so kind to adopt the lithuanian nobles into their clans. This meant that they were FREE as birds and not subjected by their king like they had been before. We gave them Laws and order and democracy in its early stage.

Maybe if they keeped much of independence and ruthenian lands they would managed with pressure from Duchy of Moscow just fine. At least that is how they see it.

Lithuania was a barbaric state with no order. This is how Vilnius looked like some years after the union.

Vilnius

Vilnius-

Warsaw

Warsaw-

It took Vilnius many years before it could compare itself to the polish cities. Have present Lithuania ever thanked Poland for it? No...
David_18   
23 Oct 2010
News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [533]

This is a very difficult question.

Before the second world war most of the lithuanians saw themselfs as polish, an example is Vilnius. In 1931 Poles made up 65.9% of the total Vilnius population but in reality most of them were Polonised Lithuanians that had been polonised through 600 years. But with the nationalist movements combined with the soviet propaganda against the poles and the forced emigrations of russians into the baltics and the decline of Poland after WW2 untill 89 the Lithuanians started to despise Poland and did everything to undermine the historical polish dominance in that area.

And to summon it all up i guess its all about Lithuania trying to tell Poland we are not your underdog anymore and we do as we want.