News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]

....astounding what long shadow only a few generations growing up differently can throw...I wonder for the first time if it will ever go away.

How can Europe ever unify if not even Germany can? Maybe we just aren't meant to...

My few morose cents for the night *waves*

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]

Of course....that wall was not for nothing! ;)

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]


I dunno....I sometimes compare it with the "Wende"....afterwards not many wanted to have anything more to do with their SED-past...

Everybody knows/knew the truth but most just try/tried to survive/adapt to the new rules...that is totally different from "not being able to handle it"!

Now I think a real processing of the events is only be possible with the next generation. A new generation not being directly involved/tainted...and that will be so with every big happening in any country, the Corona-Crisis for example. There is no real reprocessing possible with the deciders still alive and often enough still in power...

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]


Some called it a "Lebenslüge"....with timely distance one could say it was impossible...I dunno either country could have worked with all these people left out...and what to do with them instead?

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]

Not only West-Germany, Lyzko....that article might interest you:

mdr.de/geschichte/ddr/politik-gesellschaft/entnazifizierung-nazis-in-der-ddr-100.html

....Die SED hatte 1948 auf Empfehlung Stalins nicht nur die Initiative zur Gründung der National-Demokratischen Partei Deutschlands (NDPD) als Auffangbecken für "geläuterte" NS-Kader und Wehrmachtssoldaten ergriffen, sondern auch selbst in großem Stil ehemalige NSDAP-Mitglieder und andere NS-Belastete in ihren Reihen aufgenommen. Bereits 1946 hatte die SED die Aufnahmekriterien für diese Klientel offiziell vereinfacht. In dieser Zeit lag der Anteil an ehemaligen NSDAP-Mitgliedern bei acht bis zehn Prozent aller SED-Genossen. Die SED führte in ihren Kaderakten genaue Listen über ehemalige Zugehörigkeit ihrer Mitglieder zur NSDAP bzw. deren Suborganisationen. Nach außen jedoch wurde die braune Vergangenheit belasteter SED-Mitglieder nicht publik, oft sogar bewusst verschleiert. ....

I guess the situation was similiar, in East and West....to many "has beens", no rebuilding possible without them..

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]


You know it...I know it....thing is you will never hear that from their former leaders and their current sympathisants! They will tell you that YOU are the bad one, the one with not enough education, the Nazi, the paid agent or just to stupid....maybe even all at once!


I'm not sure about that....and what happened in Sachsenhausen. Höcke didn't deny the Holocaust, didn't he! And I know though that the "Erinnerungskultur" in the GDR was already a different one than the one Wessies are used to...for example Jews played barely a role....not much about a Holocaust, but all about the brave Soviets and Communists...so...


That's the core of the misunderstanding yesterday, I think....why "instead" and not "also"?
I totally support the teaching in schools about the big history....but our Opa's are our own ancestors! Researching their lifes is more than a war crime, both should be possible at the same time!


They didn't start out that way....

...Die AfD wurde 2013 als europaskeptische, wirtschaftsliberale und nationalliberale Partei gegründet....

The old "elites" are as much to blame for their radicalization as the party leaders themselves. I still remember the mocking and ridicule of them in the beginning....nobody tried to take them seriously, that they maybe even had a point....

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]


Yeah....maybe because that's where socialism always ends.

Again, what you enjoy is social democracy at most, kept in check mainly by conservative rightists....that works. It stops working when the conservatives are moving/being moved left and the socialists taking over...that's where we are now....the end of that left-moving would be Absolutism again, when it isn't stopped!

PS: Sometimes I think Mrs. Merkel was the revenge on the West for the end of the GDR aka "When we had to go down, you will too!"

...have to leave now, till later *waves* :)

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]


That socialist "paradise" is the big error....there never was one, and there never will be!

All this equality-thingie is just inhuman....totally against human nature, hence never working out! In the end not all have more, but a few have all and the rest nothing!

Why do you never learn???


They wish, thats why they keep coming....


The only way the Left should exist is in the opposition....as Germany managed for a few decades. A conservative, pro-industry, pro free-market economy gov + a leftist opposition to point out the problems and smooth over the faultlines....that has worked out.

IMHO socialists should be kept out of ruling...that never works!

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]


Because you are not socialist! Britain is far away from a socialist nightmare...you still enjoy the capitalist economy and its advantages!
You can see it also at these masses of immigrants....people soon try to run away from socialist rule, never towards to....

There just is no "socialist shaped" country in Europe western style! That experiment ended in '89....


Curious....modern socialists always say that! ;)


The power of their vision was the most strong at the beginning....but now, after so many fails, its getting weaker....even if the Left doesn't want to learn, mankind does.

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]


Yeah...quite! The Leftists most beloved enemy: the Nazi!

In the GDR, the capitalist West = Nazi

In the BRD, the nationalist opposition = Nazi

In Russia, the ukrainian gov in Kiev= Nazi

....it gets crazy and quite a bit boring! So, don't be surprised if that Nazi-warnings stop working!


Where exactly is the difference between that Lucassen guy and me? I also "failed to mention" the war crimes of my Opa's unit! I don't even know about them....his unit was never one of the "famous" ones...his job nothing much to write home about....am I a Nazi now?

Can we call it an "obsession"? Seeing Nazis everywhere? ;)

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]



For me as an ex-GDRian it sounds all the same....maybe one of the reasons the AfD is so succesfull in the East, the "warnings" sounding so similiar to those that came from Honecker and his SED....who knows!


So? I had a time discovering my family history too....my Opa lost two toes in WWII...his brother was KIA...I even asked the "Kriegsgräberfürsorge" if they had found a trace of his in the mean time...does that mean I'm a Neo-Nazi?

Do you hear the Brits or the Russians discussing their many, many war crimes during WWII? No? All Nazis now?

That is very normal!

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]

....still dreaming of that equalist/socialist vision in a capitalist society?

Thing is...THAT IST NOT WORKING!

A socialist society always degenerates into a third world economy (no investors, no public sector at all anymore) very soon....where only the tiny party elite has the money to eat in one of the few restaurants...and the 95% of the common people has to stand in line for the daily bread and milk (if there is any).

There has never been an economically successful socialist ruling...WHY DO YOU NEVER LEARN???

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]


....something the non-Right is seemingly unable to find! (Unable or unwilling, that is)

Of course there is the example of Denmark cited quite often...a leftist government doing what the rightist party promised, and for them it worked, the Right going down the drain...but....who has won in the end?
After all most people don't care how the party is called as long as they do at last what the majority wants/needs them to do...


...and very not-working! Will the Left ever learn from their failures?

I doubt it....the talk is always of the Nazis....of a feared repeat of '33....of some reborn "Weimar"....NEVER of '89 and what led to it! So, no...they seemingly don't want to learn, so they will have to repeat!

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]


That's the thing....that "warning"!

How often can you warn till that warning loses its effect? Especially if it comes from growingly unpopular sources....

An example....the GDR people had been warned for decades of the dangers of capitalism and the West generally....from Kindergarten onwards...dissenting parties and media being forbidden, even a wall was build...all to safe guard the good people and rescue them from the bad, of course....

Only some "warning" alone means nothing in the long term...not if the warners don't deliver a real positive alternative!

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]


This....and then that:

... As the writer David Frum put it,"If liberals insist that only fascists will enforce borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals refuse to do."...

...a lesson the german Left keeps on ignoring!

The worse the situation, the less the "Nazi"-description-throwing is working....what will you do then?

Work / Are Poles workaholics? [164]


Germany was now about 20 years fully under leftist-green influence...(no matter which gov ruled and how it was called)....supported by a mainly leftist media.

= what you have now is the consequence! It's no longer a good working country....hence the rising Right!

The backlash will probably not be nice....

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]

The leftist NYT openly endorses german conservative Merz....


nytimes.com/2025/05/17/opinion/merz-germany-chancellor.html

My....they really are sh****ing their pants about the european right movement!

But as I said before...."every conservative, beware when the Left is rooting for you"....they loved "conservative" Merkel too....only now slowly acknowledging her as the root of most of Germany's actual problems. Merz won't fare any better if he listens to them....

....But politicians can go too far in the other direction - toward open borders - and Ms. Merkel did so, however noble her intentions. The pace of recent migration to Germany has been so high that a backlash was inevitable.

It has strained the country's social services and housing market, particularly in the working-class communities where recent arrivals tend to settle. Most saliently, the system's loopholes have fostered a sense of lawlessness. In the past 12 months, Germany has experienced at least four fatal attacks by migrants who failed to qualify for asylum but nonetheless managed to remain in the country. ...

Is there still hope for the Left to see the error of their ways?

... As the writer David Frum put it,"If liberals insist that only fascists will enforce borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals refuse to do."...

THAT!

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [586]

Interesting!

The Swiss for Germany? Why oh why???

And the Brits love Poland? Or its the Poles in Britain voting more probably....

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [586]

I keep wondering about the discrepancy between some "jury" vote and the "public vote"....

It keeps happening in Germany at nearly every preselection contest too....the stuff we send to the Eurovision is NOT and NEVER the one we actually should send....as if there is some alien opressor forcing us....the taste differs so widely, its getting creepy!

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [586]


Great description!!! 😂

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [586]


....and you should love it.....Germany ends (nearly) always somewhere at the bottom!

So much for our rule over Europe! :)

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [586]

It keeps mixing up....*shrugs*

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [586]

:)

reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1kpfuqr/eurovision_song_contest_2025_results/

reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1kpfuqr/eurovision_song_contest_2025_results/#lightbox

• 
  Eurovision2025.jpg
  

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [586]

...and the hope that our countries will send someone worthwhile, someone just better, will die last! :)

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [586]

...next year, same time! 🧐

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [586]


As always....it seems Gaza played a bigger role than Ukraine, this year!

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [586]

Just read about the public vote (didn't watch it).....full 12 points from Germany....and also from Britain!


So, the public in most of Europe is clearly pro-Israel....contrary to what some govs say and some fanatics wish.....and I take back what I said yesterday and declare the contrary, heh:)

PS: I also read some commentator that most are secretly quite glad about the second place, otherwise the next Eurovision would had to take place IN Israel next year....a security nightmare....and a political one too....

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [586]


...people keep wondering about that every year! :)

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [586]

Wow....Israel second place???

Who would have thought it....

Poor San Marino....were they that bad?

At least nobody with zero points this time, heh:)

Off-Topic / Eurovision - Today I will be ashamed to be Polish [586]

Yeah....I remember Eurovision also very much differently....not the puke-fest it has become...

It was best after the "Wende", as the Iron Curtain fell and people from the whole of Europe could take part....that was a total different mood!