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Ironside   
14 Jun 2010
History / Poles as Iroquois of Europe [42]

The Kulturkampf wasn't anti-polish! But to modernize Prussia and make it a seculare nation state...as all modern countries are today, where state and church are separated!

Prussian state it was a freakish state its a pity that Germanic states were consolidated by this ugly monstrous modern state - totalitarian state
Ironside   
14 Jun 2010
History / Poles as Iroquois of Europe [42]

Not necessary Bismark, it could be one of those freakish Prussian leaders.
Ironside   
14 Jun 2010
History / Lusatian-Sarmatic obsession of Poles [153]

the Polish past and then even worse a falsified version of it.

where are you from then? Where is this golden land where past is not "falsified"?

They existed until the 4th century AD... The Polish "nobility" pretended they were Sarmatians..

Whatever you say but recently historian started to pay a closer attention to what their were saying also to some graphic and archaeological evidence.
I wouldn't been so haste if I were you to pass definite judgement based on few books you happened to come across.

Accept that your nobility was selling you to whatever Power present, just to keep their horses. "

What are you talking about ? Are you unwell?
Ironside   
14 Jun 2010
History / Poles as Iroquois of Europe [42]

I think it was Bismark who compared Poles to Iroquois. I wonder what he had in mind.
Maybe it was a wishful thinking!
He couldn't knew about Lacrosse?!
Ironside   
14 Jun 2010
History / Polish and other Slavic nobility in our time [71]

Those who read Polish

there is difference between knights and nobles, its seems that for you is a vague difference.
When you talk about ennobling it means you are taking about times after knights era.
Ironside   
13 Jun 2010
History / Polish and other Slavic nobility in our time [71]

Please elaborate and tell us what things were really like.

Well, in the most cases of compact nobles settlement was a result of dividing land to all children (often 6 or more) and even large area could become "patchy" in two generations.

For their service to theh country (usually miliatry service or defending the lord's castle) especially in the poor Podlasie region entire villages were ennobled.

I don't know instances when entire village was ennobled. Peasants were ennobled for military services but mostly they had to be recruited from Royal domain. In all such cases status of a noble were usually granted to individuals.

Only exceptions were made for Tatars, when their regiment had been ennobled en mass to ensure their military service on the Polish side, but it was more likely in Duchy than in Crown.
Ironside   
13 Jun 2010
History / Polish and other Slavic nobility in our time [71]

For their service to theh country (usually miliatry service or defending the lord's castle) especially in the poor Podlasie region entire villages were ennobled.

it wasn't quite so,
Ironside   
7 Jun 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

And if you are such a proud man of your nation

You didn't understand my point. I'll explain it to you.
You claim to be Polish, yet you said that you are ashamed of being Pole, correct?
So, my advice to you become citizen of other country and claim to be .....whoever!
Move on!
Why you are on PF whining about whining Poles?!
I have no time for a such wet-blanket or troll.

I-S (tiens)
Ironside   
7 Jun 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

He does have freedom of speech and I don't think he was being inflammatory. The accuracy of his statements is up to others to verify.

Same goes for me as I have the very same right to voice my opinion.
I my opinion if someone is ashamed of what or who he/she is should change it!

But it's a generalisation that has much practical evidence to support it, Ironside. Poles can be very touchy and that's just an observation, not a criticism.

Well, they can but I think that goes for many people. I think that is about respect if you can convey a healthy dose of respect then you can make an critical observation without being offensive to anyone.
Ironside   
7 Jun 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Now I am generally ashamed to be Polish, the only good thing about being polish is having a EU passport. The more time i spent around polish people, I realized that they are by far the most negative and backward thinking group of people I have ever met.

That what made me kind of angry at you if you are Polish as you claim.
Don't like being Polish move on and don't come back!

They get angry at anybody who disagrees with them or who has a different opinion :)

that a very unfair generalisation, shame on you M-G

tiens)

same to you
Ironside   
7 Jun 2010
USA, Canada / The proper behavior an American should show when visiting Poland [159]

Well, we have no choice but to pursue it; profit puts food in the belly.. not socialist grandfathers.

Well, in that case there nothing wrong with Polish illegals the USA, pursing money in any which way they can?!

No toilet paper lines here either.

Aren't you lucky pincher ?
Ironside   
7 Jun 2010
USA, Canada / The proper behavior an American should show when visiting Poland [159]

how to get a job illegally, who can they swindle to get more money, who can they marry to stay legal, how to make money, money, money. They never travel around the states to visit national parks or are they ever interested in the US history

Its a trait well established in the USA history and profit is GOD for many.
Ironside   
6 Jun 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

M-G (ppl are all the same, basically)

I'm not contesting it !

but fact is that I have met also Polish ppl that didn't like other Polish ppl,

That is not the point, he said he is ashamed ! I don't like some polish people, so what!

Well, Ironside strikes again with furious anger :)

don;t like suckers
Ironside   
6 Jun 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

sorry for that.

Don't believe you

Through out history they have been whiners, it is probable because of that history they became that way, which is OK, but I mean after, now what 60+ years after the war, people are still crying about something.

why are you whining here sucker !?

I realized that I too dont like Polish people myself. Now I am generally ashamed to be Polish,

Why don't you **** off ***** ?
Ironside   
4 Jun 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

he position of Poland being the only country that suffered during WW2, the only country who's citizens risked their lives for helping Jews

No, point is that contrary to nowadays western media gospel, Poles actually made an enormous effort , sometimes organized, sometimes not, but always with enormous risk for themselves and their loved ones.

Secondly that circumstances in Poland under German occupation made this effort the most difficult - thingy you have a problem to understand.
I like to add that your biased view of Jews is the very myth which is begging to be busted.
Topic like Jewish police, Jewish Gestapo agents, not even brushing situation that saved Jew pointed their savers from Polish underground to Soviets.
Shouldn't be the myth that Jews were always the victims and if have done wrong their are justified by circumstances be the very focus of your attention, and your motives would be a less in doubt than your focusing on Poles and their deeds.

The only conclusion from your liberal ?! and "fair" ramifications is that nobody should be bothered to do a moral and good deed as it doesn't matter for a firm myths busters what you did but are you a right kind of person (or country ) to deserve credit.

If you are from Poland you should kill Jews, join German army and think about surviving and make some money because at the end you are just stupid peasant, reeking of dirt and vodka and you deserve no better.

On the other hand there is race of the masters - Dutch !
They are so liberal that they allowed even Jews to call themselves Dutch - don't they deserve all the prise ?

I name Yugoslavia,

Sure, Harry anybody but Poles:) whadya think simpletons that they could do something better than anybody else phew!
I-S (phew!)
Ironside   
2 Jun 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Dutch resistance fighters were shot in jails

Where Germans is Holland killing civilians because of some plan and I mean killing everybody in village.
Point is that in Holland Germans were killing resistance people or individuals somehow connected to them ......hence in Poland civilians could be killed and were murdered by droves just because.

German attitude and practise as well as their legislation were entirely different in Poland than Holland, you guys have a big time problem to grasp it!

M-G is trying to show that in relative terms there were quite a lot of Dutch people who got themselves on the Yad Vashem-list.

If I was like you guys I would have said that it was because Dutch citizens reported others Dutch citizens en mass unlike Poland!