History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


Yes, we had people, but we had no guns :(((


I agree with that. However, for me the issue is not about numbers - the problem is that a Polish government honoured a Polish unit that collaborated with Nazis and murdered Jews. This fact alone is what matters from a moral point of view. It shows that there was something wrong with that government and with people who supported that government (if they supported that gesture):

wyborcza.pl/7,75398,25074121,podejscie-pis-do-brygady-swietokrzyskiej-jest-odbiciem-przeswiadczenia.html

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


Yes, lying idiot, that's why I was against the invasion of Iraq lol You make perfect "sense", as usual! 🤦


It was neither free nor democratic, but fortunately the Soviet Union fell apart and thank God, the West and the stupidity of communists for that! :)))

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This sounds like part of Polish society:


In Poland that part of society usually votes for PiS.
Judging by what you quoted it looks like East Germans have their own "bogeyman" from the communist times - the US and PiS voters have their own - Germany. At least that's my take on it. 🤔

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


Good.


Oh and communist planned economy didn't have anything to do with that by any chance? :D


You are truly not right in the head. Me and other Poles don't despise Polonia. I only despise psychopaths like you and Novichok.

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@Bobko, I'm not comparing. I'm correcting your false info.


Still, those soldiers did it.
And two murders (including the second one that you quoted) was done already by the Holy Cross Brigade.


Btw, I have family in these parts of region.

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Of course it was. That brigade was on the fringes of Polish society and not even part of the Polish Underground State. According to AK reports the attitude of Polish civillians towards the Holy Cross Brigade was hostile.


If after all this time on this forum, all the info and explanations you're still "puzzled" then you're truly a hopeless case.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

@Bobko, the Holy Cross Brigade was a kind of rogue unit - it was one of the units of NSZ that didn't follow the order to join the Home Army (AK) and didn't submit themselves to the Polish government in exile in London. NSZ were nationalists - they were the third Polish underground force in terms of numbers (75 000) after the biggest Home Army and the second biggest Peasant Battalions.


There were (read the section "Mordy na Żydach"):

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brygada_%C5%9Awi%C4%99tokrzyska

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@Poloniusz, RT lecturing someone on democracy and exaggerating about calling someone "Nazis" is indeed laughable, given the present day context :D


What kind of nonsense is this? :D


I have no idea, it's possible I suppose. Apparently they often died young or went crazy. I think I remember reading that some of them allegedly killed themselves, but whether they did or someone "helped" them to shut them up maybe - I guess only God knows (and Putin)...

The thing is that some of them got to live to the 1990s and RuSSians had this one chance after 50 years of lying to do the right thing. But they didn't. The RuSSian investigation lasted till 2004 until all of the perpetrators died and the reason given for ending the investigation was that... the perpetrators died. The results of investigation got classified. So not only the families of Katyń victims didn't get any justice - they are still being denied the knowledge about the massacre which RuSSians have. The families and the whole of Poland:

fakt.pl/hobby/historia/kim-byli-oprawcy-z-katynia-niektorzy-zyli-jeszcze-w-latach-90/dtgc95z

RuSSians even refused to classify the Katyń massacre as a war crime. I have no words for this.

Off-Topic / What's your connection with Poland? Penpals. [595]

@GefreiterKania, but I'm just parroting the narrow-mindedness of your fellow "real Poles" :))) How does it feel, eh?


Indeed.


No, they don't. They defenitely do have something missing in their soul though.

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


Would your pals, the Soviets or RuSSians hang the "lovelies" responsible for the Katyń massacre?

How many of them did the Soviets or RuSSians execute?

If you don't know I'm going to tell you right away - none.

From Wikipedia:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

"In 1991, the Chief Military Prosecutor for the Soviet Union began proceedings against Pyotr Karpovich Soprunenko (1908-1992), the above-mentioned former head of the NKVD's Prisoners of War and Internees affairs department, for his role in the Katyn killings, but eventually declined to prosecute because Soprunenko was 83, almost blind, and recovering from a cancer operation."

"Poor" thing. That monster got to live to 83. There is no karma.

Off-Topic / What's your connection with Poland? Penpals. [595]


I find it hilarious that we're being denied Polishness by a Plastic Pole who wasn't even raised in Poland and a Russophile who was ready to become a Calvinist and is downplaying what the Soviet Union did to Poland and Poles o_O


He often does that lol


You wish lol

Your trolling gets boring, Kania.

Off-Topic / What's your connection with Poland? Penpals. [595]

@GefreiterKania, sure, that "narrows down" the choice to majority of Polish people lol It's incredible how arrogant and full of themselves you right-wingers and nationalists are. You don't have a monopoly on "Polishness" o_O Majority of us were raised on the same stuff - żurek, bigos, John Paul II and Lech Wałęsa, so I'm afraid you'll have to drop that ridiculous conviction that you're so terribly special :)))

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@jon357, it's not just Chinese products that are suspected to be made in such a way - don't forget about many Western companies:

businessinsider.com/companies-brands-china-supply-chains-illegal-forced-labor-2022-12

"The 2020 Australian Strategic Policy Institute report identified Google among the companies that could have directly or indirectly benefited from forced labor in China.

The company declined to comment for this story."

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@sun rain.sun, I don't know what kind of stuff you're selling, but maybe art products? I've heard that Ohuhu markers are good and affordable - they're all the rage on YouTube. They're already being sold on Allegro, but what I haven't seen yet available on there, I think, is a Ohuhu sketchbook for markers. So maybe if you'd put it up on sale you'd have an advantage over other sellers, because people could buy both the markers and that sketchbook at your store. Just a thought :) Apparently also Kalour coloured pencils are good.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

@GefreiterKania, people don't throw that word "far too easily" - it simply has more than one meaning - not just the literal one (keeping a person as your slave):

collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/enslave

"2. To enslave a person or society means to trap them in a situation from which they cannot escape."

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


It was the same in Poland and I'm guessing in any other Soviet Union's satellite state. They were called "satellite states" for a reason...


You mean Tiananmen Square massacre?

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

@Bobko, you wouldn't even have to be "proud" of it. It's enough that you don't have a problem with it. It's clearly not enough of a problem for you if it doesn't stop you from glorifying the Soviet Union.


It wasn't a "great" country if it enslaved others :(


Respected or feared?

It wasn't respected in Poland. It was feared and despised.


And at the same time you colonised others yourselves.

You see, Bobko, that's why you won't understand each other with Poles, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Esthonians, etc. Because majority of RuSSians seem to be still wearing those rose-tinted glasses when looking at the Soviet Union (or they simply don't care about what the Soviet Union did to others, which is even worse).

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@Novichok, the Soviet Union was comprised of different nations and ethnicities and that's why they're called collectively "Soviets". Nazi Germany was a one-nation state comprising of Germans. Nazi Germany is simply a colloquial name for the German Reich (later the Greater German Reich). Another unofficial name is the Third Reich.


Nonsense. First of all, in the Soviet Union there were conquered nations that didn't want to be part of the Soviet Union at all. Secondly, unlike in Germany where Hitler was voted into power, communists weren't voted in - they took power by force. That's why in Poland ordinary people living in the Soviet Union were viewed as victims of the regime.


That's what we often say in Poland even though maybe not all of the German soldiers were followers of Hitler. Many of them deserved to be called "Nazis" though - because of what they did during the invasion of Poland, during the occupation and during the Warsaw Uprising.

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I do believe what I write and I mean every word, you entirely stupid moron. Bobko has no problem with glorifying a state that enslaved my country for almost a half a century with Stalin being entirely dead during this time.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

@Novichok, that means you deserve to be shot.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

@GefreiterKania, of course the last leader of the Soviet Union wasn't another Stalin or it could end in a terrible mess. But Bobko sounds almost as we should be grateful and thank RuSSians on our knees that they didn't bathe us in blood this time... 🤨

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

@Bobko, you "let us go" after almost a half a century! Takie z was dobre pany! lol 😂 And not willingly either - the Soviet Union was collapsing - you had no other choice. Also, it wasn't so "bloodless" in case of some countries either.

Plus, sovoks like Putin seem to be regretting it.


What??? What a dying empire that enslaved and brutalized other countries could possibly ask for? (not that you got too much anyway)

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


And that's the problem. Because Stalin wasn't the only problem. The Soviet Union didn't let Poland go after Stalin died. And the Soviet Army soldiers raped, looted, murdered and burned in Poland, not Stalin. When you're glorifying something - then there's no room for criticism, for the truth, because uncomfortable truth is "tarnishing" the glorified image in people's heads.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

@Bobko, but RuSSia is doing the same. Parades. Fancy funerals. Monuments. "Documentaries" on television. You GLORIFY the Soviet Union, Stalin, the Soviet Army.


So they could defend their country against an invasion.


Because what you're doing is wrong.

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That's retarded though. RuSSia is attacked over Stalin only because they whitewash him.


I want you (and other RuSSians) to be able to admit that it happened and acknowledge that Poles have the right to feel angry about what was done to Poland and Poles. In other words - we'd like to see some empathy and understanding from you.


Yes, thank you.

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And that's what makes you a sick country in our eyes. You're whitewashing a monster that bathed your own people in blood. Is there anything more sick that a country can do?


That's exactly the problem with RuSSians and UkrainianSS - you don't listen to your victims.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

@jon357, "that" is not about "remembering enemies' fallen soldiers". When Poles do that they don't put on Nazi uniforms.


I'm not a member of any "creepy right wing stuff" nor do I defend it, so I can complain all I want.


RuSSians tell Poles the same. Now look at them.

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@Bobko, they didn't murder anyone. It happened long time ago.


By this logic RuSSian "animals" are guilty too and you should pay your bills too.

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What bills? For what?


You know very well that's not what that was all about.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

@Bobko, what are you talking about with that "awkward turn of phrase"? Also, I didn't show "understanding towards enlisting in the SS". That's not what I was talking about. I meant that Ukrainians viewed the Soviet Union as occupiers and that as a Pole I can easily understand.


Sorry, but from Polish (and any normal person's) perspective you could say that RuSSia is a sick country too. So, you know, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...