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@Bobko

Iveco, Tales, Mistral - at least it is foreigners who were f*cking you in the anus. In Poland our own are even worse - a silly mortar grenade that normally costs 500pln, when Polish army comes shopping the contract price is 2500pln (for real). Everyone and their grandmother wants to make money on the Army. :-/

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30 years actually.

There are some similarities...





... but Nawrocki is definitely more coarse, without Putin's cunning and sophistication.

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Oh, we do have resources. The question is: how do we use them?

For example, Poland has the only NATO standard TNT factory in Europe (Nitro-Chem Bydgoszcz). Do we use its output to produce sh*tloads of artillery ammo that we will eventually desperately need? No. Instead of that we sell it to Americans at cost price (over twice cheaper than India!). We have some money to spend on weapons as well, but when Poles come to buy something the prices magically rise (sometimes up to 40%). The Turks and Italians look at us as if we were retards and can't believe how much we pay. etc.

We could be like Switzerland - impenetrable. Instead our defences are still inadequate. Hopefully, the whole drones affair - whoever is behind it - will force more serious defense build-up.

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P2050, PSL and Lewica... hm... there are probably some Russian friendly politicians in the conservative wing of PSL and a couple of still active Lewica old-timers, but not nearly as many as in Konfederacja. Weakening Tusk and strengthening Konfa might indeed be beneficial for Russia.


I wouldn't say so. Nawrocki seems to be rather independent and gravitating towards Konfederacja but in such case... damn... some serious 4D chess here...

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Anyways--just a theoretical question: what if this was indeed a Ukrainian operation? Do we attack Ukraine? :)

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Pointless. Poland always doubts the credibility of all assurances. We were taught this by history (the hard way!).


Pointless. We know it's full of holes.


Hm... that actually makes sense.


It will be dense when the anti-drone systems are fully operational--at the moment it's leaky as we have just seen.

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It all stinks.

That's why it wouldn't be wise to act hastily.


Politicians are often drama queens.

*yaaaaaawn*

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lol


We're just trying to figure out what exactly happened. Why are they so impatient? Chill the f*ck out, young Ukrainian Jedis. *rolls eyes*

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Your mum's liberal.


But the rocket that killed two farmers in Przewodów was Ukrainian after all and not Russian as everyone thought at first.


It's a possibility.


It looks like it. But it won't hurt to double-check, just in case.

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The TV is getting more and more realistic these days.

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No Russian plane violated Polish airspace. It was drones. Are we 100% sure those were Russian drones? Russia denies.

Maybe it's the potato fuhrer f*cking around because he's butthurt we closed the border for the duration of Zapad and all those AliExpress and Temu stuff is stuck in Belarus?

Maybe it's the Ukrainians trying to drag us more into the war? Do you think they're not capable of that? Remember when that rocket fell in Przewodów? Everyone was initially blaming Russia but it turned out to be a Ukrainian rocket.

Let's calm down, investigate it thoroughly, and then - when we are 100% sure what happened - we can start shooting.

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I'm not opposed to the idea itself. We simply don't have the capabilities.

A better idea would be to institute a NATO no-fly zone over a buffer area in Ukraine, with joint NATO forces.

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Did you read the article? Using Patriots for what you suggested is not very likely and SkySabre and Mała Narew are designed specifically to defend objects in Poland, whilst Poprad, Pilica and Piorun are all short-range.


I wrote that we are not at war.


It all depends. If they are willing to sacrifice millions of their soldiers (and they don't seem to value human life very highly), then they currently have much higher material capabilities to conduct war against Eastern Flank of NATO (Finland, the Baltics, Poland) than they did in 2015.

Look, I'm not saying that we should sit back and watch idly how further waves of drones are violating our airspace. However, let's not make rash decisions.

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Absolutely no need for that.

Article 4 was triggered...

tvpworld.com/88842008/nato-triggers-article-4-after-polish-jets-shoot-down-russian-drones-in-airspace

... and so far it's quite enough.

Don't panic, guys. If there is to be war, there will be war. If there will be war, we will win it.

However, as of today, we are not at war with Russia yet. Chill out.

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We certainly don't have such long-range capabilites to cover the Ukrainian territory, so your idea would involve placing our AA batteries in Ukraine. Can you see the risk?


In any conflict it always happens on both sides.


You are referring to the incident from 2015. Back then Russia didn't want war with either Turkey or (especially) NATO. These days their entire economy is switched into war mode and they are producing large quantities of weapons with the exact purpose of war with NATO. That's why they would most likely react differently than in 2015. Hastening the outbreak of the war with Russia is hardly reasonable before we get ready for it. In 3 years time (preferably 5 though), they can invade away. Today, it would mean a lot of blood shed unnecessarily.

Russia denies those were Russian drones...

kyivindependent.com/moscow-says-no-evidence-drones-downed-over-poland-were-russian/

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You would be punishing those who don't necessarily agree with the putinist government, as well as their children who are in Polish education system.


Exactly.


That would involve using our airplanes over Ukraine. That would mean the airplanes might be shot down by Russians, and that would mean war. So, if we want to avoid the direct hot war with Russia*, it's probably not the best idea.


But our planes enter Russian airspace as well, by accident or not. Our choppers fly over Belarus as well, accidentally or not. Should they be shot down as well? It's easy to start a full-blown war, Paulina, but slightly more difficult to stop it.

Could someone, please, change the thread title to "NATO's aid to Poland if Russia invades" or something similar? The current title is misleading - we are not at war with Russia yet.

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* - and, yes, we want to avoid it because we are not ready yet

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So, an unarmed drone, slightly larger than Gerbera, testing our air defences.


Probably inside the building - it looks like it flew through the roof/side wall.

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Russian charge d'affaires says that there is no evidence to confirm the accusations that the drones were Russian.

wydarzenia.interia.pl/zagranica/news-rosyjski-dyplomata-wezwany-przez-polskie-msz-oskarzenia-bezp,nId,22417649

The plot thickens. Is it Potato Führer trying to f*ck with us more than he should? WTF? :-/

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Can Gerbera do this...



... or do you think it was something larger?

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Cheers, Jonno.

Apparently some of the drones flew directly from Belarus. Interesting :)

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Anyways, there is a possibility that I might have to stop posting here for an indefinite period of time. If and when it happens, it won't be because I think you're all c*nts or because something bad happened to me (remember the Polish proverb - złego diabli nie biorą), so @BB - don't panic. ;)

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As far as I know nobody was hurt in the attack and most of the drones were shot down.


Well, the number of Shahed drones indicates that it was no accident. I don't know if it's time for "the button" but it's definitely time for diplomatic action: closing the border and reconsidering the necessity of the presence of Russian ambassador in Warsaw. Let's wait and see what the Russians say but it will be rather difficult for them to claim that it was an accident. On the other hand - what might have been the point? A retarded small-scale provocation? Strange...

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Finally! No wonder you suddenly sound more commonsensical about the war - women have that effect on men (good women that is).

Congratulations again to you and your fair lady!

Now we're waiting for little Bobkos to appear, so you can fully and surely move into the peace camp with the rest of us. ;)


Great date. August in general is the best month for weddings. :)


True. He was the soul of PF. Those who didn't appreciate him... I doubt whether they are Polish or Slavic at all.


Our szlachta were a bit smarter than that. That's probably why they avoided the fate of Russian gentry and we didn't have a socialist revolution. They pulled the Japanese trick on our peasants - just like the ruling classes in Japan were able to convince Japanese peasants that they were all descendants of samurai (and should display the same qualities in battle for their country), Polish gentry educated our peasants that they were all noblemen - ask any Pole and he will tell you that his great-great-great-...-granpa was at least a winged hussar (if not Sobieski himself!).

As for the closing of Poland's border for the duration of Zapad '25, Belarus is huffing and puffing but they brought it on themselves. I think the border should stay closed for as long as Lukashenka is conducting hybrid warfare against us.

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Your who?

Wait a minute... you got married??? Mazel tov and all that but why didn't you tell us anything? Who's the lucky girl? An American or an émigrée - tell me everything!


:)

No wiser words have been spoken on this forum since Crow called Poland the Real Sarmatia and Great Mother of All Slavia (or something to that effect).

As opposed to you, Bobi, I am a morning person so gotta catch some z's now. When I wake up at 4:30 am, I want to read full report about your better half.

Good night!

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You know what Asians say...

Roses are red, violets are blue,
There's always a Pole that's smarter than you.

... or is it the other way around? ;)

You are right about the students' background. As far as I know most of their parents have university degrees.

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Cheers for that, quite interesting.


"Stirlitz - thought the wh*res.
Wh*res - thought Stirlitz."


Good one. :)

Russian/Belarussian/Ukrainian students learn the Polish language very quickly. Sometimes, if they have names that might as well be Polish, I wouldn't be able to tell they are not native speakers if I didn't have the student's info in my e-register. Apart from being able to learn the language, they more often than not receive above average grades in both sciences and humanities. This means that either they are genetically superior to Poles or they come from a Jewish-like culture, where books are cherished and read widely from early age. Something tells me it's the latter.


Anywhere near Tricity perhaps?

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Do what I did, start working much less. Money's overrated, once you have enough it's enough.


I am cruising towards retirement - only 19 years left, can't wait. :)

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What? Russians have libraries in their dachas? I bet they only contain orc manuals on skinning children alive and some obscure fairy tales about horsemen without heads. ;)


Yaaaaawn...

Tell us about the books you like, Ryszard. We know about the guns and Corvettes but we never hear about literature from you. You are a Soviet-block engineer - that's a rough equivalent of Western literature professor. Come on, give us some good recommendations.

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More like being bored with the SMO/FSI.

But you're right, we are dragging the thread off-topic. Very well then...

onet.pl/informacje/onetlublin/premier-tusk-reaguje-na-manewry-na-bialorusi-konsekwencje-odczuja-tez-polacy/zlpv3fm,79cfc278

Poland is closing the border with Belarus - aka The Chinese Gateway to Europe - because of "the aggressive Zapad 2025 military exercises". I don't really care, I never order anything from AliExpress or Temu. The border should have been closed completely right after Lukashenka started sending hordes of third worlders to Poland. Maybe then the Chinese would have "convinced" him to stop being a retard.

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English wiki mentions his popularity in Poland...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wharton_(author)