History / Polish civilization is older than English or French. Why do Poland follow them? [64]


How about Stonehenge? And Tara?

European civilisations are indeed just about equally old.

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M-G (tiens)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

Answer the question: if it's all so Glorious in Poland, why do you live somewhere else?

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M-G (tiens)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

If it's so Glorious, why don't you live in Poland? At least, if I would think of my home country as being so Glorious, I would want to live there, not fleeing it like a rat flees a sinking ship.

And btw, Jews went to the North, not to the East after they were expelled from Spain and Portugal.

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M-G (tiens)

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You don't understand, do you? Well, I expected that. Let's not talk about how many ppl were killed by Jews. Because it's only gonna be rubbish from your part again. After my dinner I will continue. And you won't be around then.

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M-G (tiens)

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It has to do everything with the original topic and yet again you fail to see that Kielce is just an example on which you can hang this chain of responses theory.

Edit: this is only the first step, the chain in its most rudimentary form, in a clear and straight line. After my dinner I will go to the second step. This will be on a more meta physical level, but I will try and explain it as simple as pssbl.

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M-G (tiens)

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Ok, enough fun with ender now, I want to go back to the original topic - Incident-Impact-Repercussions-Long Term Reverberations and how they are handled.

As per following the earlier example:

Incident: Kielce
Impact: newpaper readers all over Europe and the world read about and are disgusted and wants as an immediate response the heads of the perpetrators.

Repercussions: the perpetrators get caught, tried and sentenced, questions get asked in, for example, parliament.
Reverberations: the Poles get the image of anti semitic (in this example, in any other example, the reverberations will of course be different)

Timeframe could be anything from 1 to 100 years. Incident is replaceable for any incident; Impact can differ from locally to globally, given means of reporting; also the time between incident and impact is important. In the Middle Ages there was sometimes up to years between an event and the time that sb at the other end of the country or continent heard about it. Nowadays it may take as short as an hour or even less, given the ocurrance of Internet. (Long Term -) Repercussions depend of course on the nature of the incident, but are fairly fixed. Reverberations depend on the level of tolerance the general public has built up, either by previous similar incidents, a growing numbness or a fixture on one's own.

If anybody, except ender, wants to add sth to this chain, he/she is welcome to do so.

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M-G (simple chain on how events change perceptions and perspectives)

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Says the creature that says this:


Did you know that for that remark, I could have you arrested? Gonna be a jailbird, dude :)

Thankfully the mods heeded my request and removed all the nice things you had to say to me, uncalled.

But:

Ahw, does it hurt to get a taste of your own medicine back? You were quite on a roll last night, weren't you? If you're that keen on reading my posts back, you can see, as everybody else can, that I only react to insults thrown my way and then the original insulters start crying that I'm a "verbal terrorist". Well, it's not gonna happen. Perhaps others are too decent to reply to you with your same methods, I've had just about enough of all the insults you morons throw at me and what even disgusts me more is that you're acting like little children by starting crying when I return the favour. You are a sick and disturbed individual and you really balance on the edge. I would suggest you seek some professional help before you kill sb.

Unluckily for you, I can use the same methods you guys use, not as freely as you use it, but if necessary I will use it as I had more than enough of idiots like you and your kind and there are a lots of other ppl on here who had enough of it. Difference between you and me is that I can switch it off at any time I want to, but for you and your kind it's a way of life, it seems.

Now, will that be all as far as you is concerned? Yes? You know the way out the door. Ciao and don't come back here. Thanks for your effort, there's coffee if you want and a cookie. You can drink and eat that while you're on the way to the bus.

So, after this anomaly, we can continue with the original issue at hand? The chain Incident-Impact-Repercussions-Long Term Reverberations by means of the example Kielce?

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M-G (tiens)

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That was actually the Jedwabne commemorating service. He did what every decent person would do. That he in fact is half Jewish has nothing to do with it.

Anyway, this thread was about historical techniques and then MediaWatch comes along and feels the need, like he always feels the need, to "show the other side of things" when it concerns Poles killing Jews. It was uncalled for as the discussion was not about the actual killing initially, but about the chain of incident-direct impact-long lasting repercussions and reverberations. Too bad our friend from the other side didn't notice this, saw the words "Jews-Poles-Faster-Pussicat-Kill-Kill-Kill" and thought it was time to re-introduce ...The Stalin Jews! into the discussion once more. I take blame for the part that I allowed the discussion to derange into the realms where illustrations are being discussed more than the key point at hand.

Strangely enough, MediaWatch never feels the urge to "show the other side of things" when it's concerning Jews killing Poles. Anyway, the gates of hell were opened and all of the standard Golgothians came from their pile to give it a go. None of them introduced sth new into the discussion. All of the arguments -if there were any arguments besides the usual insulting and ranting- fell within the scope of the 5 myths that haunt Polish history for the last 70-80 years. Well, at least one myth has been busted: the myth of the Jewish Communism. As it turns out this has been an invention of the propaganda machine of the White Armies during the Russian Civil War. And it's only thanks to the quality of the propaganda machine of the Whites that this fairy tale is still in the heads of ppl. Nobody has denied there were Jews within the ranks of the commies, but the statement that the vast majority of the commies were Jews is a gross exaggeration: by far the most functionaries within the Communist Party in Poland were Poles. But then again, it's hard to go kill your own ppl based on the fact that they were an active member of a party you don't like, so what do you do in that case if you really want to vent your anger and agression? You go look for members of that hated party that are not part of your own group. It's very basic psychology. And you find that there are....Jews! member of the Communist Party. Aha! There you have your vent! And this vent gets used and abused for many decades since its conception.

Then a one braincelled creature comes along, showing us 100 times the same fragment of a film in which a woman sitting on a chair is being excecuted by Polish soldiers and claims this to be a Jewish film. Unfortunately he cannot or won't give us the name of that particular movie, so we cannot check whether it is indeed a Jewish movie or not. And then the creature accuses me of lying because I am supposed to have claimed that in July 1941, 5 years before the events we are discussing, 1600 Jews were driven into a barm, that consequently was set ablaze - the historians are not yet clear whether it was Soviet leftover gasoline they used or petrol provided by the Germans. Anyhow, this creature introduces this into the discussion, alongside of the usual rants and superficial statements that he is proud to be an anti semite, never mind the dispiccable nature of such a statement and then accuses me of stating that there were 1600 Jews burned in the shed. It's a nice way of trying to lock a discussion: introducing an issue into the discussion, which has nothing to do with the actual topic at hand and then accusing sb else of lying about it. Nice, but predictable technique. Then it shows me a wiki page of a Jewish Communist police functionary in the 1950's. In 1949 he became head of some dept and this of course is proof that the commies were behind it all. Miraculous how everybody fails to acknowledge that the atmosphere could've been so poisoned and tensed that even a silly lie by an 8-year old boy could spark some extended lynch-party. They state that the incident was staged by the commies from start to finish. I think it was the natural outcome, the accumulation of a very tensed period in Polish history and that many were shocked in fact as they perhaps hadn't realised that tensions were so high it could even lead to murder of innocent survivors. I have stated that before and I state it here again.

After heading through the storm of usual insults, rantings and even lower intelligenced remarks thrown at myself, I have come to the conclusion that some Poles are not yet ready to admit any dark pages in their own history, yet are keen to point out dark pages in other's histories. I expected that and I am not surprised by it.

So far the summary of the rounds so far. Time for a new round - let the games begin; I'm curious what they will come up next with. My best bet would be sth that stems from one fo the five mentioned myths. Good luck guys :)


Not true. I was talking about historical techniques and trying to explain Ironside how historians worked and thereby used Kielce as an example, nothing more. Then MW bashes in and spoils the discussion. I take responsibility for letting it getting out of hand, but I do not try to convince anybody that PL was hell on earth for Jews. I just want some hardcore idiots on this forum to admit that it were Poles who did this. Has nothing to do with Jews, just with the point that ppl must find the courage to admit that even their own history has dark pages. That's all. And it's quite amusing so far to hear all the stereotypes gallopping by and actually nothing new is introduced, yet they refuse.

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History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

I see that for some individuals the truth is apparently, like Paulina said, too hurtful yet. Anyway,that's for tomorrow.


No. It's about you turning things around. The question at stake is about the Kielce pogrom and whether Poles are ready to admit that they were wrong back then. Apparently, with due exceptions, some are not. The question is not if Jews brought it on themselves. That's a topic for later discussion. Right now the main question is whether the Poles are ready to accept and admit Kielce and also admit that there are dark periods in their history that have no connection to commies or whoever. Those are the questions at stake here. Not anything else. We can discuss that at some other point. Right now, it's admittance.

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M-G (tiens)

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Oh, I don't have any hatred. Au contraire, most hatred seems to be coming from you and your brothers in arms to tell that dirty lying Jew the truth, how the hell does he try to doubt the holy words of Glorious Poles when they Gloriously deny obvious facts?

I didn't want him to die, I just said it'll be his biggest effort to mankind if he someday would. That's sth different, but of course you wouldn't understand it as you obviously didn't understand what this thread was all about anyway.

Edit: let's not forget that this thread is where it is because YOU didn't understand what an illustration is and started screaming blue murder and anti Polish again. Just read it back and see who brought it here. It wasn't me, I was just explaining sth to sb else until you barged in. Just read it back.

Your problem is that you're first of all an American, not a Pole, secondly you're an anti semite, which has been coming clear throughout your posts and I don't feel like answering nor reading the same bullcrap you post over and over again of how the Poles have been good to Jews some 1000 years ago and that the Jews chose to live in PL, so they kinda had it coming and how it's actually all the fault of the Stalin Jews and the Jews in general and if it's not the Jews, it's the commies, anybody, anything, just except the Poles. Either you come with sth completely new or be prepared not to responded to anymore. Ok? I still regard you as having one braincell more than that amoebe ender, let's keep it that way, ok?


Nope, you're the first or the second one I ever reported.

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M-G (tiens)

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Of course. If you say so. Now, take your pills and be a good boy and go do peepee and poopoo and then off you go into your little bed, dreaming of evil Jews and how great it is that you're an anti semite. And wake up tomorrow morning to realise you're still in the same institution as you were last night.

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M-G (tiens)

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I already answered that question: the official estimates lie between 1000 - 1500 between May 1945 and September 1946. If you just took the time to read what I write instead of coming up with the same over and over again, you would have known.


Hm, according to reports it was quite a bunch, later on reinforced with workers coming from a nearby factory. Must be hundreds, perhaps thousands of bad Poles.


No, I just want you to admit that it was the Poles and the Poles alone who planned and performed this outrageous crime. Without covering it up over and over again, blaming it on ...The Stalin Jews!, the commies, Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band or Dwight Yoakam. Just take the responsibility for it and say it :) No sooner will I leave you in peace.


Before the Kielce incident? Much less than 1000 - 1500. So it's actually the Jews themselves who brought it on? Hm, haven't heard that one before. Nonsense of course, but always fun to hear how ppl re-chew what they have been told to chew.

Here's an example of what "some bad Poles" were capable of:


Same link as earlier on.

Now get out of my sight as I want to go to sleep. Tomorrow's another day, another day for more fun with you guys.

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M-G (coming soon to you on their "War On Terror"-tour of Poland and Russia: ...The Stalin Jews! with special guests The Babcias! They will play all your favourites, like the International and will do requests!)

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Oh look, one has gone, and another one pops up! The fun is never-ending, it seems :) I never stated that anybody controlled it, nobody controlled it, de facto it was the lack of control that allowed it to happen.

I am aware of all the points you mention, yet it's no explanation as to why grown ups let themselves carried away on the basis of a story of an 8-year old who wanted to stay a little bit longer with his friends and in order not to get punishment made up an elaborate story about Jews kidnapping him and hiding him in a non-existing basement. Besides, it sounds all like giving excuses. There is no excuse for it and there doesn't have to be an excuse for it. Just an admittance is needed. Needed in order to restore or normalize relations between Poles and Jews. As long as incidents like this get sweeped under a cover of who-knows-what reason, there will always be friction somehow. Incident-impact-repercussions, remember?


Mind if I laugh with you? But I am probably not laughing for the same reason as you do. I laugh because you try to minimize an incident that has shaped how the outside world has seen the Poles since. Thank God there are reasonable and sensible ppl in Poland, who are embarrassed and are most willing to admit that it was wrong and that it were their fellow countrymen who did this and don't try to hinge everything on some past of 1000 years ago. I have no problems with ppl like that as they are decent ppl, however, it's scumbags like you who continue to give Poles a bad name abroad. But I guess you have to be smart to understand that and I have my doubts about you.

You still haven't shared with us the name of the film. For all I know this could be a Polish film. But you claim it to be Jewish, so enlighten us about the name and we will look it up.

Edit, but it's time to go to bed now. It was fun and tomorrow there will be more fun, at least for me, I'm not so sure about you, though.

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M-G (tiens)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]



Quick link from Wiki.

So we never will know. But then again, we're not talking about Jedwabne, which took place in 1941, but about Kielce and the period immediately after WW2. And we de facto not even talking about that. The reason why we do is that some apparently don't understand the meaning of the word "illustration".

Anyhow, you're still very entertaining, ender; keep it up.


I'm actually having trouble what you try to say with this sentence. Is this Polish? No, the words look familiar, but yet in an unintelligable order. Perhaps you want to do that sentence again? Thanks :)


And I don't blame anybody either. It's well established already who were the perpetrators. I just want the Glorious Defenders of the Glorious History Of Poland Gloriously admit this.

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M-G (tiens)

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I see that ender is at it again?

Thank God for Google Translation:


So yet again all the standard nonsense comes out of the box. You claimed that 1600 went into the barn - I simply looked it up and it stated that based on the facts it could never have been more than 250 to 400 in the barn; the rest was murdered elsewhere.

Classic little story full of clichés again. Come up with sth better. I'm still enjoying myself dearly with the standard things you come up with :)

And for your information: I do understand perfectly. I am smart enough to understand that some weird story caused a mass hysteria that resulted in the deaths of 1000-1500 ppl in the period immediately after WW2, ppl who had just survived the biggest organised killing in human history. Only to find a hysterical mob infuriated by imaginairy paranoya killing them.

@MediaWatch: I seem to remember that I already responded to that column, after all, you post it every other post you do, so it must be somewhere. Don't feel like looking it up, excusez moi.

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@Ender:

Darn, I can't look on this forum or you're at it again. This time you should get your facts straight: 1600 was the total number of deaths in Jedwabne, of which between 250-400 were put in the notorious barn and burned alive.

The Nazis managed to put more than that in cattle wagons which were smaller than that barn, so it's not really spectacular.

Anything else you want to share with us?

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M-G (darn, having so much fun, it's probably going to be late before I finish that report)

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@MediaWatch:

Oh no no no! You have no new material? Here they are again...The Stalin Jews! That link to that column I have seen pass by for about 500 times by now. Is this the only source there is for....The Stalin Jews! ? Also, everybody knows that there were loads of Jews in Poland. Question is why relationships detoriated since the 1600's. Yes - it's not sth that just came to be in the 20th century, no! It's already 400 years old! So of the 700 years the Jews were in Poland, about 300 years were happy and peacefully with no friction whatsoever. Then sth must've changed as they weren't friends anymore for the biggest part of that time. Under Pilsusdki they were pretty much emancipated again, but after that it was party time again with Endecja and all the fun that happened in the 1940's and after. In the 20th century a new script came into play: the Jewish Communist! This was a new club, mainly alive in the heads of non-Jews, who looked in envy to the better-off individuals of "THEM". Nobody really knows where this myth comes from, but it is assumed that this pamphlet by the White Armies of the Russian Civil War lays at the bottom of it:

It was an invention of the White Anti Communist Propaganda who abused the fact that Leon Trotski was of Jewish descent in order to put a nice new flavour to the war: random killing of Jews. And it happened: tens of thousands of Jews were randomly murdered during the Russian Civil War, as well as with the Polish - Soviet War, which of course was a part of the Russian Civil War. You have to hand it to the propaganda machine of the Whites: they did a very good job; nearly 100 years later ppl still believe their story.

Your referral to Gross' book is proof that he is as neutral as can be - so Neighbours and Fear weren't such lies after all? Or is Gross only a good guy when he writes convenient things?

The elite in Poland has long admitted that the things at stake here were committed by Poles, now only the common man has to admit it and we can go all smilingly through one door. Here's another part from Gross:


powells.com/review/2006_09_28.html


Nobody is asking anybody to go on their knees. Only open admittance that it happened and was perpetrated by Poles. Not by Soviets, Tommy James and the Shondells, Eskimos or alien invaders from the 3rd moon of Jupiter. Only thing you have to do, and what the entire world wants from you, is to say: "yes, it was us. We did it and we are deeply ashamed of it that we have done so." Nobody will kill you for it. Nobody will humiliate you for it. Example: the Dutch have admitted many times that they invented the slave trade of black Africans to the Carribbean, North- and South America. Nobody killed us for admitting that and we're doing pretty well ever since this admittance. But they will keep killing you if you keep blaming others for it. Luckily the group ferociously denying it or blaming on some other group or on the group themselves is getting smaller and smaller. Thank God for progress.

Anyway, I would write more, but I have a report for work to finish tonight and I have to do some other stuff as well. It has been fun for today, come again, all of you. I'd be happy to rebuke all of the myths and other nonsense used to justify the murder of innocent survivors of history's biggest organised killing. But that was the quintessential point of this discussion anyway: Kielce as a precendent as to why the whole world thinks Poles are notorious anti semites. Too bad the example started to lead a life of it's own and that not has been focused on the mechanisms I posted in that respective post.

But feel free to spill some more. It's been very entertaining so far, I'd love to see more of it :)

Edit:


True, but a good way as well is to use humour :)

Edit 2: Doctor! Doctor! Come quick! Ender is doing it again! He needs his medication!

M-G (tiens)

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You know, I will talk to your doctor to increase the dosage as the one you're getting now doesn't seem to work enough. My stupid little boy, you would not recognize sarcasm even if it hit you right in the face, now wouldn't you? And besides, I never said that Hitler started the war to kill Jews.

You still haven't mentioned the title of the film. And upon which do you base that it was made by Jews? On one of the comments to this clip at YouTube? Hardly a reliable source, isn't it? You can mention that before you leave this thread.


That it was them who committed the Pogrom in Kielce. Besides you and a few others on here, the usual suspects all deny it. And admitting that one's history might not be as glorious as one always has thought it was, is the first step to accepting that it was just that, which in turn means coming to terms with it, which in turn means letting the past go and move forward instead of remaining in the past.

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M-G (from under every stone and rock they come crawling)

From your link:


And even more:


And I could go on to show you how your own link undermines your statements :D

Now go away before I pee in my pants laughing.

Edit: oh, and I could report you for that last remark about my mom, but I won't; I am sure everybody else can read it too. Now fcuk off.

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M-G (hahahaha, next!)

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Ah well, I hear they feed you three times a day in the institution.

According to ender the Communist régime in Poland consisted solely out of Jews and the Jews were out for the kill. Well, you get deluded minds like that all the time. You know, a skewed view on history is not that bad, but if you blame other ppl for what you did to them, it gets malicious. I never denied there were Jews amongst the Communists back in the days, but there were also Poles and there were many more Poles amongst the Communists than Jews and it's not other than logical: there were simply not enough Jews left after WW2 to fill the entire ranks of the Communists. They were murdered in WW2, remember that? So this is where the myth of the Communists in Poland consisting of mainly Jews end. They couldn't come out of the Soviet Union, for as you know, the Nazis killed Jews there too! And Stalin as well as the Russians weren't that big a fan of the Jews either. Still strikes me that a group is being punished by another group because of some of that first group were part of yet another group, while there were more members of the second group part of the third group. I guess it makes sense to the insane mind.

One day the Poles will admit and then the road lies open for acceptance. But until then, there will be sick minds maintaining the most glorious nonsense known to mankind.


Ah, your favourite (and only) example. How many times have you posted this single example? 13290 times? However, you never seem to mention the title of the movie, so we can actually check whether it's made by Jews or not.

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M-G (tiens)

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Told you, I am busy, I'm just here for a few minutes while I drink my coffee. This weekend I have more time and I will provide you with some useful material.

Don't be so impatient!

@Paulina: here ender states it:



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M-G (darn kids!)

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Weren't you the one that was proud to be an anti semite? I seem to remember that you said that - how in the world do you think anybody will take you seriously after claiming to be proud for hating other ppl?

Now go away - I can already guess your "contribution". And by the way I don't read kosjer newspapers. I read a lot of newspapers.


Like I said, go away and leave this thread for ppl who don't openly proclaim to be proud to be anti semite.


Well, it was a period of widespread violence against Jews with of course the culmination in the Kielce incident. Most of them in Eastern Poland, however, there was violence in Western Poland too and in Krakow, which doesn't really lie in Eastern Poland.


Paulina, ender is an anti semite, not covertly but openly. He even proclaimed himself to be proud of it. I mean stupid is as stupid does, but to be actually proud of it, takes the biscuit :)

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M-G (tiens)

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First off, I find that a bit hard to believe, but secondly...Just why would they do that? Because they were treated so nicely in Poland? But I think we have to send this back to the land of fairy tales as most, if not all Jews knew what Hitler stood for.

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M-G (shadaroba)

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Oh look, ain't it cute, defending your brother in arms. Maybe you want to read all posts back to see who started insulting? But then again, since you are so stuck in your ways, you probably don't want to know.

The mods probably know that I get more insulted on here than anybody else, so don't start crying you wuss. And I said already before that I don't have any tolerance left for idiotic attacks and ditto statements.

Oh btw, the list you present have all been classified as myths. "The vast majority of the Jews were commie" Woah, if entire tribes of Jews joined their ranks, the Polish line at the office of registration for the CP must have been from Gdansk to Zakopane. The rest of your statements fall all under the label "victimisation".

And I asked before to come with arguments that are not based upon any of the 5 standard myths that seem to haunt some Poles' perception of history. Now, if you don't have anything useful to contribute, don't participate anymore in this thread, your statements are getting pretty boring, they're like a infinite tape.


It has been stated on this forum that Jews helped the Nazis in the KZ's to round up Poles for execution.


Martians :) Good one, although it wouldn't surprise me that some would actually consider that an option :) Oh, I don't need ET to prove that, I just let him prove it while he thinks he's falsifying it :)

And about the spark: Henryk Blaszczyk claimed he was kidnapped and held by Jews in the basement of Planty street, awaiting to be sucked out of his blood. So I would say that this is blood libel. However, when police arrived at the building in Planty street, they very easily found out that the boy was lying: the building had no basement.

But then again, the Kielce pogrom was originally meant as an example of incident - direct consequences and later reverberations - it was an illustration, unfortunately there were some that didn't understand this and now we're talking the whole godgiven time about Kielce.

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M-G (tiens)

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He does so here:


But you're right, we don't know if he is actually Polish or just some pretender who wants to undermine things a bit further. If he wants to do that, he's doing an excellent job. But having said that, one can conclude he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, that's for sure.

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M-G (tiens)

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You prove exactly that it was indeed Poles who performed the Kielce pogrom. If this mentality you're showing us is still alive, it would surely be alive in 1946. Woah, didn't think it was so easy to prove. But sad mofo's like ET and a couple of others make it all too easy to assume that it's true. But he has left us, which is a pity, would like to hear more of his rants - more proof that myself and others are right in our statements.

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M-G (too bad, sorry ass nitwit)

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If they didn't do it, prove it, instead of showing me and the rest of this forum what pathetic idiot you are.

I haven't seen any proof from you, so far.

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Hm, in all your non-existing wisdom, how would you explain his latest book?

The reaction to Neighbours and Fear were proof that he must've hit some truth, a truth that has been hidden away as dark secret from the past. The harder the resistance, the more truer it is. Common psychology.

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M-G (hates waiting)

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See, this is the type of ignorant, vile nonsense that is thrown against the evidence and proves that anti semitism is still very much alive.


Gee, evidence however shows that you did do it, though. But of course, they are all liars.


Have you ever considered professional help, excruciating loser?

Behaviour like this is well described and thank God all decent Poles are embarrassed to bits and disgusted by the deeds and words by some of their fellow countrymen.


Doesn't surprise at all :)

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M-G (still waiting for the Americans - must be a hold-up at the airport or sth)

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It's gets better and better. Not only do you miss the point repeatedly; it now turns out that you also lack the capability to recognise sarcasm.

And for the rest you're like a broken record. Repeating the same over and over again, still gloriously failing the point over and over again.

I have no time to go into this deeper today, but admittance is the first step to acceptance and acceptance is needed in order for Poland to move on and as long as there are idiots like you and others who keep justifying these incidents, be it based on

myth A: the Jews were commies, a myth that apparently still lives today, remarkably;
myth B: the blood libel (where the hell did this nonsense come from?);
myth C: Poles have been good to Jews and yet Jews betrayed them;
myth D: Jews welcomed the Soviets (especially a popular myth in Eastern Poland - only partly true but represented as whole nations of Jews were welcoming the Russian troops) and:

myth E: the most remarkable myth of all: Jews helped round up Poles for the slaughter.

As long as ppl base themselves on rumours and myths like the above there will be no acceptance as there is no admittance. None of these myths are true and is based either on the Catholic Church or the gullibility of the Polish masses, have to figure that out yet, but I will, given enough time.

In the meantime, you and those other idiots that keep repeating the same irrelevant BS, pls refrain from doing so and come up with arguments that aren't covered, based or motivated by any of the 5 above mentioned myths. As long as you don't, I won't take you seriously.

Edit: Poles love to victimize themselves. But rememember, even victims have to take responsibility if they commit crimes.


Still wrong :) The word is whiner.

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M-G (breaktime is over; back to busy again)

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Oh look it's the dwarf shouting sth again. You got some nerve for sb who claims that Germans, Dutch, Scandinavians and English are not related to eachother.


What are whainers exactly? The same as fainders? Or remainders?


Oh look, yet another irrelevant, but standard, factoid is being thrown at the table. Jews have lived for 100.000 years in Poland, so that gives the Poles the right to just go and kill them off. Oh, there they are again: the Stalin Jews! Ladies and gentlemen, can I pls have your attention for.....THE STALIN JEWS!!! Pls give them a big hand!

Can you come up with sth else that justifies Pogroms? And copying me doesn't help your case. Oh sorry, forgot that Polish ppl have no fault at all. Darn! It's hard to find ppl that are so excruciating good on this planet, but ppl, listen up: we've found them! They are called Poles and they live in Central/Eastern Europe and about everybody else in Europe is taking advantage for years of them.

My dear boy, you have shown that you didn't understand what I was saying and come up with the same arguments you come up with over and over again, yet it's no explanation or justification. But the point you so gloriously miss (after all, everything Poles do is glorious, so when they fail, they also fail glorious) is that I was explaining Ironside about cause, consequence, long-term reverberations and repercussions and how they are handled in contemporary history. But it's ok. Now just pls go away and don't interfere anymore. Thanks.

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M-G (tiens)