News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [379]


No, we were discussing abortion after rape. That's why I wrote:

"The point of contention is what are those situations that warrant abortion."

Are you against abortion if the woman's health (not only life) is in danger?

Are you against abortion after incest rape?

Are you OK with even young girls being forced to give birth after rape?


So? Doctors are still obliged to prioritise the mother's life over the baby's after eight weeks of pregnancy.


Then according to people like you it is also a murder when abortion is saving the mother's life or health. That was my point.


Or by the actual teachings of Christ? Sorry, Torq, but I think you're an idiot.


Then the Bible doesn't state anywhere that a mother isn't allowed to abort her own baby.

And as for Romans 13:4 - Paul just states that people should obey the government and its laws, which is... stupid? Because what about evil governments and evil laws? Should people obey Nazi and Stalinist governments and laws then? 🤦


...who have more empathy for a few cells than for a fully developed human being who's suffering.
People like you who want to punish women for getting abortion after rape should be raped multiple times by multiple men in the most disgusting, humiliating and violent ways for a prolonged period of time. Maybe then you'd develop some empathy and compassion not only for a fetus, but also for raped women and girls. 🤮

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*child's


*any


lol
*a cat or


And not when it's just a fetus, but at every stage of development during pregnancy.

Travel / Is Poland safe to visit now (considering the war)? [15]

@EU_visitor, yes, life in Poland is completely normal.

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Yes, people like him make me laugh lol They pick what they want from their religions and at the same time consider themselves "good Christians/Muslims/Jews, etc." and sh1t on those people who don't make the same "pickings" as them :D 🤦


John Paul II would be surprised to know that he was "a mason, a protestant, leftard and a retard" :D

pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/angel/procon/popestate.html

"While the vast majority of U.S. Catholics support capital punishment, Pope John Paul II has declared the Church's near total opposition to the death penalty. In his encyclical "Evangelium Vitae" (The Gospel of Life) issued March 25, 1995 after four years of consultations with the world's Roman Catholic bishops, John Paul II wrote that execution is only appropriate "in cases of absolute necessity, in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today, however, as a result of steady immprovement in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."

Btw, Torq, if you are in favour of death penalty then
that means that in your worldview not all human life is sacred and not only God has the right to decide who lives or dies. But that means the lives of unborn children aren't sacred either.


That's clearly not what I wrote, so don't play dumber than you are.

It was my response to what johnny_reb wrote about abortion: "Murder is not a choice nor is it ethical."

My point was that there are instances in which even people like you, johnny_reb and Torq support or at least don't oppose "murdering unborn babies" - when the mother's life or health is in danger and abortion is necessary, right?
It is generally accepted by both parents, societies and probably majority of religions in the world that the mother's life is more important than that of an unborn baby.
Noone normal expects the pregnant woman to
sacrifice her life for an unborn baby. And if she has other kids already and would decide to do that anyway - she would be critised for that.

What I've noticed is that the attitude of people completely changes once the baby is born. Then both parents and the society views the vhil's life as even more important than that of a parent. Both (normal, loving parents) are ready to die for their kids. If someone needs saving from a dangerous situation people choose to save kids first.
So there's a difference in how people view a baby
when it's in the womb and once it's out of the womb.
Interesting, isn't?


Of course there are laws concerning unborn children at a y state of development. For me the issue here is not whether a fetus is a human being, because it obviously isn't a Castor anything else. The issue also isn't about whether an unborn baby has the
right to live or not. The thing is, in certain situations, as I think we all agree, the mother's rights/well-being take priority over the unborn baby's rights/life. The point of contention is what are those situations that warrant abortion.

That's all for now, I'll get back to commenting on
the rest when I feel like wasting my time on cruel,
heartless people. 😢

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Yes, Poland is one of the safest countries in Europe apparently.


Are you serious? ;D

Where are you from, btw?

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That's cool :))) My mother likes it too.


What's the question/riddle though?

News / Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2 [379]


And a pathological liar at that.


Says who? You? lol So you're the God Almighty now? :)))


It is - that's an ethical choice doctors have to make every time a pregnant woman's life is in danger due to pregnancy. If terminating pregnancy (aka "murdering the unborn baby") is the only way to save the woman's life doctors are obligated by the law to save the woman. This is also the society's general expectation. The pregnant woman's life is considered more important than that of an unborn baby.


And yet on this very page you wrote that you are in favour of death penalty for a second time rapist.

Since I was a kid I was raised in this Christian conviction that all human life is sacred and a human has no right to decide who deserves to live or die. Only God can decide about this.

And yet it's usually right-wing, conservative, supposedly religious Catholics (usually men from what I've noticed) who are in favour of death penalty. Even though the Catholic Church is against it. Make it make sense...

You're hypocrites.

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It seems you missed that part where I wrote that not all people are religious. There are people who don't believe in God Almighty.

But if you want to talk religion then... the Bible doesn't prohibit anywhere an intentional abortion performed by the mother or on her request.

Another thing... For example, Rabbinic Judaism doesn't consider a fetus a full human being (a quote from Wikipedia):

"In the reading of Biblical homicide laws, rabbinic sages argue that homicide concerns an animate human being (nefesh adam from Lev. 24:17) alone, not an embryo... because the embryo is not a person (lav nefesh hu)."


No, the decision should be made by the rape victim. Just like your wife women usually think about those things beforehand. How they would handle the rape, how they would handle giving birth to the rapist's child. Those women who can't handle it should be allowed to get an abortion.


Maybe you should ask the Rabbinical Assembly Committee this question then lol: 🤦

"The Rabbinical Assembly Committee on Jewish Law and Standards has ruled that an abortion is justifiable if a continuation of pregnancy might cause the woman severe physical or psychological harm, or if the fetus is judged by competent medical opinion as severely defective"

(Source: Wikipedia)

So, as you can see even among religious people there are different opinions on this matter.


The mind boggles that you can't comprehend that there are women who would suffer a greater trauma from being forced to give birth to a rapists' child than after terminating a few days pregnancy o_O

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With all respect to your wife - she was never raped, right? Imho, you never really know until this happens to you. I don't know what I would do myself. And I hope I and your wife and your daughter will never find out.

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I disagree. Nowadays I think that the well-being of a woman or a girl is more important for me than the existence of a cluster of cells. It should be the woman's/girl's decision. That's the end of story for me already.


Not everyone is religious though and not everyone views a cluster of cells as a "child".


Well, yes, but children "from rape" may often not get that. And what are you going to do about it? Will you adopt them? No, you won't.

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As I wrote - men just don't get raped often enough. Really, you don't.


And why would I do that?


You're the type of a man that cares more about religion than about your wife or daughter. A type better avoided, imho.


A gang-rape by a few men who just got out of prison done in the most humiliating and violent manner that gets your anus ruptured to the point that you can't sh1t in a normal way. That kind of rape :) How about you experience something like that and then get back to me about having to give birth to a kid of one of those monsters.

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Btw:


That's funny coming from you - I remember how you wrote that women who don't want to have children must be genetically "faulty" - that it's nature's way of stopping them from procreating.


Why? Maybe if men got raped more often (by men, not women) they would show more understanding, empathy and Christian compassion towards raped women, girls and kids.

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Did you talk to your wife about it?


It's not about that. It's about prioritising the well-being of your wife or daughter.


No, it isn't. Biology isn't enough to make a parent, as I'm sure you realise. Look at all those "baby daddies."

I know of women who aren't capable of loving and properly taking care of their rapists' kids and even those who seem to resent them. Sorry, but human psychology isn't always as "logical" as you would like it to be.


Maybe, but I've seen a documentary about it and violent behaviour is actually passed down in the genes. Of course, it's not only about "nature," it's also about "nurture", but women usually don't want to raise their rapists' kids and so those kids are likely to end up in orphanages where those bad genes could get triggered. That's the reality and not wishful thinking.

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Keep it? You'd keep a kid of a man who raped your wife?


No, it isn't. In the raped woman's mind it often isn't her baby, because she didn't consent to it.


What if it happened to your wife?


Imho, it's easy to say it if it didn't happen to your daughter or wife. And what if it did happen to one of them and the thought of the rapists baby growing inside her would traumatise her even more and she wouldn't want to give birth to it? Would you force your daughter, for example, to have it anyway?

Btw, Torq, I used to have a similar opinion to you about abortion after rape. Even on this forum I argued against it. But with age came more understanding and empathy towards raped women and it's not so simple for me anymore. So nowadays I'm glad that women in Poland have the option not to give out the rapists' seed with his faulty genes into this world and may it stay like this forever.

A side thought - it looks like men just don't get raped often enough.

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1492, 1500, 1507, 1558, 1577, 1632, 1654 (the second longest war in Polish history, in the same time also Sweden invaded the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth - known as Deluge), 1733, 1772+1793+1795 (the partitions), 1794+1830+1863 (Polish uprisings), 1919, 1939.


Not really, unless your neighbours experienced a violent home invasion in the last few years during which your neighbour was killed, his wife raped and their house partially burned with their kids traumatised for the rest of their lives.


Yes, unlike RuSSians, Germans haven't invaded their neighbours since the end of WWII - that's 80 years already.


I'm waiting too, Novichok :)))

Food / Poland-Tea or coffee land? [156]


Fun fact - the first TV morning show in Poland was called "Kawa czy herbata?" ("Coffee or Tea?") :):

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawa_czy_herbata%3F

Food / Poland-Tea or coffee land? [156]


Not where I live... If you visit someone's home here and they ask you "Tea or coffee?" they usually mean some regular tea and not tea made from nettle with mango or whatever :)) If they want to offer you something else than a regular tea (most often black tea) then they'll specify that they have green tea, herbal tea, flavoured tea, etc.


Because people usually say specific name of whatever home remedies they need at the moment - "rumianek", "mięta", "melisa", etc.

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Interesting, do you know which parts of Poland they come from?

That's the data concerning drinking tea and coffee in Poland from 2014 article:

portalspozywczy.pl/napoje/wiadomosci/polacy-pija-chetniej-kawe-czy-herbate-zestawienie-badan-rynkowych,106979.html

"Tea is one of Poland's most popular drinks - 98% of Poles declare drinking it on regular basis. We drink only water more often. (...)
In Europe only Ireland (2.18 kg), the UK (1,93 kg) and RuSSia (1.38 kg) are ahead of us. (...)
On the world stage Poles are on the 9th place ahead of such countries like Japan, China or Saudi Arabia where tea is considered as a national drink.
(...)
We pick most often black tea (58.9%), herbal tea (14.2%), Earl Grey (10.2%), green tea (8.1%) and fruit tea (7.1%)."


Yeah, not my style either, but I love that fake mini food stuff - I could own them just to look at them :)))

Law / Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns? - part 2 [54]


What point and how on Earth does it prove it? :D 🤦

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How about multiple times o_O


Yeah, and why did it leave Poland? Because it stayed against the will of Polish people.


You are an old lonely man noone wants to talk to in real life who's so afraid of a home invasion that he keeps a gun on every floor of the house.


I realise it's probably difficult for Americans to understand what it's like to live in a country as safe as Poland if they haven't lived here and experienced it themselves.

You keep your rights, high crime rates and mass shootings and we'll keep our "handouts" while living in a safe country with low crime rates and no mass shootings :)

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Your paranoia is your problem though. You don't live in Poland, you live in the US and we all already know that you have a gun on every floor of your house lol So what's your problem then? Why are you obsessing so much about gun laws in Poland? o_O


Where? In my neighbours' place?


I've honestly never heard about such case taking place in Poland - robbers breaking in and raping the female home owner.

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It's your claim, not mine.


I haven't said that. You can carry a gun if you have a proper license for it.


You are allowed to defend yourself with other tools though.


Noone can outdo you in your stupidity - man or woman lol

No matter how often and how much you keep insulting me - you can't change facts. And the facts are that Poland is much safer than the US and majority of Poles don't feel the need to own a gun and they are against more liberal gun laws.

According to a CBOS poll from 2022 70% of Poles are against more liberal gun laws:

300gospodarka.pl/news/polska-dostep-do-broni-2022-cbos

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That's a lie, of course.


Poles compare what's happening in the US to what's happening in Poland and they say "NO" to American "gun culture."

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LOL

RuSSia invading countries isn't rare though. They keep doing that in recent years.


I'm not saying that's what I would do - I'm saying that in Poland usually it would be enough for thieves to realise that someone's inside the house/flat to resign from breaking in.

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I suppose so, but you'd still get arrested for owning an illegal gun.


Are you blind, purposefully obtuse or retarded? I already wrote in my previous comment that according to Polish law you don't have to "match weapon for weapon".


You mean at my place? No, I don't have a fire extinguisher (and I don't know anyone who does).
Those are not "weasel words" - that's simply the reality. Yes, sh1t happens, but because it's so rare the risk is low and people are ready to live with such low risk. Car accidents happen and yet majority of people drive their cars on the roads every day anyway.


My first question would be - if they're so high that they don't care then how would they be able to get into my place in the first place.

Secondly - robbers high on drugs breaking into ordinary people's houses to steal stuff must be something very rare in Poland, because I haven't heard about such cases.

And if it did somehow happen and they would be trying to get into the place without caring that someone's inside then police's advice is not to confront the robbers, but find a safe space (go to your neighbours, for example) and call the police.

Life / Grisly crimes in Poland [124]

@mafketis, it could be, I guess, but it's also possible that this priest was simply a psychopath. Happens.


To be honest, not much can surprise me anymore...

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A 60-year-old priest attacked a 68-year-old man with an axe in a car during an argument over a real estate and then burned his body when he was still alive on the side of the road. He admitted to what he did:

o2.pl/informacje/zwloki-w-lasopolu-zarzut-zabojstwa-dla-ksiedza-przyznal-sie-do-winy-7182208431172192a

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You must be a special kind of moron then, because I asked Google to translate that legal text into English and apart from one mistake it's all understandable.

But even if it wasn't understandable I summed up it for you in one sentence in my #217 post:
"You can use anything available to you at the moment."

To go further into details of the Polish law concerning self-defence - if someone is attacking you with fists, you can use a knife to repel the attack. If someone is attacking you with a knife and you have a gun, you can use a gun. So you can use a tool that is giving you an advantage over the attacker. Get it?


Cms_neuf doesn't live in a house though.


If those are thieves then in Poland it's normally enough to turn the lights on and they ran away. Majority of break-ins happen when owners are not at home.

Food / Poland-Tea or coffee land? [156]


Yes, it's made from grains and chicory. It's drank, for example, by people who can't or don't want to drink caffeine and by kids (my niece likes it).


Yes, herbal teas and such are used as home remedies, but herbal teas are not regular tea. Regular tea (black tea being the most popular in Poland) is used as ordinary, everyday drink that Poles consume during meals and when they're simply thirsty. Of course, you can add some stuff that will make a regular tea have some more healthy properties like honey or raspberry juice when you have a cold, for example.


It can be accompanied by a Polish donut or a cake of your choosing, of course :))):

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Maybe that's one of the reasons why Poles often add lemon slices or lemon juice to tea - to help with digestion. 🤔

"Polish style tea" earrings :):