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Ah, and to continue on the topic of male right-wing hypocrisy - this Papjeż pOlak in his posts was also sh1tting on "fat women" while he himself looks like this :):




Are you talking about yourself here??? :D

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As I wrote - you're not too bright :))) The fact that I'm asking questions doesn't make me "slow" :)))) It means I have a reason to ask that question. The fact that you don't know that reason doesn't mean I'm stupid :)))


We don't know that woman's views though and if she claims to be "tolerant and open". Besides, it isn't about being open to different views, but whether people who profess those views actually live by them. And my observation is that right-wingers often don't but they eagerly judge and condemn others.


I don't.


Well then, the Church has been very forgiving towards those more serious crimes too for years and that's a (very serious) problem. I'd say that's the darkest stain on the Church's robe.


Yes, hypocrites. Waging wars against "LGBT propaganda", making people hate gays, being against sex or health education at school, but at the same time moving literal rapist peadophiles, sex and drug addicts from parish to parish, sweeping the Church's sins under the rug is hypocrisy. And simply stupid.

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Yes, it is also my observation that hypocrisy is very common among rightwingers.


How so?


They should strive for sainthood though. All Christians should, but "shepherds of the flock" - even more so.


You contradict yourself then. You wrote the opposite before.


Your "dislikes" aren't that important though. What does matter is the reality. And the reality is that people won't follow hypocrites. That's the crux of the matter. If the Church will be building its walls on sand (bad priests), instead of on a rock (good priests who lead by example), it will keep crumbling.

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A nonsensical comparison. A priest isn't a car mechanic, he is a kind of "public trust figure". Just like politicians, police officers, etc. - we expect certain moral standards from them. Priests are even more than that - they're "Christ's witnesses", heirs to Apostles and they should lead by example. Not just by words, but by deeds. People listened to Jesus because, apparently, he lived by what he preached.

"Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, ,'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash." When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law."

Matthew 7:20-29


I definitely used to be like that, but not as much anymore as in the past. I guess you're not up to date :)))


Consider - yes, accept - not necessarily *shrugs*


That's not my statement, but my translation of a sarcastic comment from the internet:

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@mafketis, thanks for the links, I'll check them out when I have more time.


It matters because they're breaking a vow given to God and yet they lecture non-clergy Catholics on keeping their vows (marital vows) and punish them for "breaking" them (divorce) by denying them the Holy Communion while the priests breaking their own vow have access to it all the time. That's hypocrisy.


Then post them :)


I don't have the time to check how many studies have been done concerning this (apparently not many) - I had a quick look at Wikipedia and judging by that both in case of gay and lesbian couples the difference with heterosexual couples isn't that big. Additionally, in case of lesbians a third of them experienced that domestic violence from at least one male perpetrator so that study is a bit confusing.

Either way, what does it have to do with gay priests who are all males? Is there a study out there showing that gays make worse priests? Does it show gay priests being less likely to observe celibacy and more likely to display pathological behaviour?

Btw, at the end of the secondary school we were signing each others' souvenir books with our classmates and one of the boys from my class who was an altar boy in our church wrote in mine: "I want to be a priest like my father" lol So it clearly has been a running joke for years...

Another scandal of lesser degree :) but also touching upon hypocrisy:

So there's this Polish, apparently popular, controversial, right-wing influencer who has over 100 000 followers (among them Polish members of parliament, Deputy Speaker of the Sejm, TV Republika reporters) called Papjeż pOlak. In his posts he's been sh1tting on women with tattoos, on women over 30, on single mothers, on men who get into relationships with single mothers, etc. But it turned out that his current girlfriend is OF COURSE NO OTHER but a single mother over 30 with tattoos and piercing and a sh1tstorm on the internet has ensued, hahahaha :D :D :D:

donald.pl/artykuly/ahPUf9cF/zwiazek-prawicowych-influencerow-wstrzasnal-konserwatywnym-internetem-padly-oskarzenia-o-zdrade

Of course the comments on the social media are like:

"Rightwingers being hypocritical? News to me."

😂

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I would prefer to eat a dinner at your house in order to check if your wife is real/OK lol I conversed with you enough already, so I'd have some serious questions for her. Of course, I'd have some serious questions for you too, but I doubt you'd answer them honestly or at all.


Now that's what I call "a joke" ;D You literally made me laugh out loud. 😂😂😂🤦


Of course not, just like the nonsense that you posted about homosexuals in this thread isn't based on anything but your prejudices :)))


Just like that article about the history of tattoos in Europe that I posted recently? :) I myself found it to be very interesting and educational. 🤔


Research, data, statistics. You haven't posted any.

For example, earlier on this thread I wrote that according to research majority of Polish priests don't follow celibacy. Here's the link:

natemat.pl/25743,60-proc-ksiezy-jest-w-zwiazkach-z-kobietami-prof-baniak-autor-badania-prawdziwa-skala-jest-jeszcze-wieksza

You see? This is how it works in a discussion among normal adults. You make a claim, you provide a link.

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I think someone who's been as long as you on PF knows the answer to this question - probably even those who dislike me do.

What is going on with you, maf?


No, it won't. It does matter to me though if you respect me enough to provide sources for your claims when I'm asking you for it, because this is what I'm always trying to do myself when I'm discussing with others. So it's actually fair of me to expect that from people I'm discussing with.


Sorry, but we women have enough of doing work for lazy men :))) You make the claim, you provide the proof - that's the most basic rule. I'm not going to waste my time and do your job for you. Until then I'm just going to assume you're talking out of your ass.


And that's one of the reasons I'm not writing on regular basis on PF anymore. It takes too much time for me. It's quick and easy for trolls and psychos here to spout nonsense and lies, but in order to refute all their crap I have to do research, usually read multiple sources, choose the most credible and reliable ones and often make some summary and write the more important stuff in bold, because I know they most probably won't read what's in the link and pretend they "missed" my comments, so I have to throw it in their faces.

And unlike some of them and mafketis I'm writing in a foreign lanuague which means checking spelling and making sure there are no serious mistakes in my posts.

So, no, considering all the work I've been doing on this forum and how much time I wasted here I'm not going to do other people's job on here on principle. No f*cking way.

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Life in prison with no parole would be enough in my opinion.


Good to know o_O


Thank you for the answer. Some sanity and empathy coming from a Trumpist at last.

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Next time read the whole discussion then hopefully you will understand better what is being written and why.


So you think abortion should be legal in case of rape, correct?


But we're discussing Charlie Kirk's views. And he said that he would force his daughter to give birth to a rapist's baby even if she was only 10 years old.


Imho there are nutcases both on the right and the left side of the political spectrum and I'm not interested in your generalising rants about the left.

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My God, are you dumb or something?
It's a hypothetical scenario that we're discussing because of what Charlie Kirk said. Are you paying any attention at all to what we've been writing here??


Meaning? What are your views exactly?


No, I am not. Not that I think there's anything wrong in having left-wing views, it's just those are not mine. And, btw, my impression is that in some aspects left-wingers are often actually more Christian than right-wingers.

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And I feel for your daughter if you have one.

I care more about children who are already alive and sentient.


I don't care, because it's a rapist's DNA in the body of my 10-year-old daughter, you sick f*ck. My own 10-year-old daughter would be more important to me than a cluster of cells made by a rapist. Any normal parent would feel the same way the way I do - and the polls in my country reflect that.


I'm not "left" and we're not talking about destroying cities or mass immigration (which I don't support anyway), but about forcing your 10-year-old child to carry on with pregnancy and deliver a baby.

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By "affect" I mean their psychological health and the resulting longterm outcomes that you mentioned. I'm asking because I had a classmate at highschool who lost both of her parents and she had to be on antidepressants all the time. She complained that they made her sleepy and "slow" (she meant thinking, learning). Of course, it's not the same as losing one parent, but still...

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How is that "disingenous"? You made a claim and I'm asking you to prove it with links (research).


Then provide link to that data.


And what about children of mothers who aren't single "by choice or fecklessness" or due to becoming a widow, but due to their fathers dumping their family?


I'm guessing the same can be said about children from "whole", but pathological/dysfunctional families. I'm afraid that if priests were to be chosen only from perfect families the list of candidates who'd be allowed would grow very thin ;) There aren't many willing already as it is...

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Why "again"? Could you explain?

And, no, I'm just making fun of Ironside's views.


The death of a parent doesn't affect kids in any way? Really? Links?


Like becoming priests who don't follow celibacy? ;D


Yup.

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And from this link - this is what Kirk said:

"What makes the West great is that we do good after evil, not evil after evil."

This is coming from a man who thought that executions should be public, televised and that kids should watch it as a form of "initiation."


No, it wasn't. Kirk was asked about a scenario if this happened to his own daughter and he answered directly to that question.


But it does happen. And Kirk would force this upon her own daughter. That's enough for me to know anything I need to know about him as a human being.

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Why are you attacking me, maf? Because I don't like what Kirk said? I did google the whole fragment, but it didn't come up in my google search. I always google first.


Don't be childish. The fact that views are "different" doesn't mean they aren't evil, inhumane or sick and that they should be tolerated. There are people holding views that it should be legal for adults to f*ck 5-year-olds. There are men supporting marrying 9-year-olds, because a "holy book" says it's OK.


No, of course I wouldn't tell a kid who just lost her father that she will be better off without her father. That's because I have... you know... empathy. I am saying it to you on an internet forum - that this is my guess.


No, that's pretty realistic, unfortunately, and coming from my personal experience.

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I didn't ignore the quotation marks, I asked you if that quote was by Kirk.


Nazis had "different" views too. I'm afraid I'm not able to "tolerate" or stomach their views either. They can kindly go f*ck themselves.


I've read the whole thing from your link and I don't understand why you think the context helps Kirk in any way. I stand by my previous opinion that empathy-deprived sociopaths like this who don't love their kids don't deserve to have daughters (and I'd rather they didn't procreate at all). My guess is also that his daughter will be better off without him in the long run.

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The pro-life world is dangerously retarded then. It's scary that people who are this stupid (or ignorant?) are allowed to vote. 😳

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@mafketis, what "context" did Feniks leave out? What you quoted was said by Kirk or what?


Are we still talking here about a 10-year-old???


First and foremost a 10-year-old child shouldn't be forced to be a "mother" and be subjected to pregnancy and delivering a child (cesarean section is a serious surgery) and ANY risk connected to pregnancy and giving birth, especially that there is no other way for a 10-year-old to get pregnant than due to rape.

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Then a lot of "anti-abortion rights people" are sick f*cks. What's your point again?

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And that makes it "reasonable" how?? Try again. 🤨

That statement alone would make me wish him to drop dead. No, I wouldn't kill him and wouldn't call for killing him, but forgive me if I'm not shedding any tears. 🥲 The less messed up people like him on this planet the better - that's my honest opinion and I won't change it.


First and foremost that creep didn't deserve to be a father. 🤮


No, that depends on whether you're a normal human being with empathy or not.

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