Bratwurst Boy
20 Jun 2025
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Bad idea.....
however politicians in Israel have mentioned federalising Iran.
Bad idea.....
Bratwurst Boy
20 Jun 2025
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@Jon,
...you know more about them than me....is there a mood for partitions in Iran? I never heard of anything like it....
@Jon,
...you know more about them than me....is there a mood for partitions in Iran? I never heard of anything like it....
Bratwurst Boy
20 Jun 2025
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BILD has new infos from Amos Yadlin?
archive.ph/mXZev#selection-2177.0-2185.52
According to US media, US President Donald Trump (78) has released his military's attack plans against the mullah regime in Iran and its military. All that's missing is the order to attack, according to the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times.
The question, however, is how deeply the US will engage alongside Israel in the fight against Iran.
Amos Yadlin (73), a former general in the Israeli Air Force and former head of military intelligence, outlines two possible options in BILD.
Scenario 1: Trump attacks Fordow nuclear facility in isolation
▶︎ The first is an isolated, targeted attack on the underground Fordow nuclear facility. According to Yadlin, this would massively set back the Iranian nuclear program and send a clear signal to the regime in Tehran.
.....
However, Iran would likely retaliate against US bases in the Gulf, which is why Yadlin considers a second option more likely.
Scenario 2: Comprehensive US military strike
▶︎ According to Yadlin, who flew the attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor in Osirak as a fighter pilot in 1981, this second option would involve a more comprehensive military strike. This could prevent a possible Iranian retaliation for the attack on Fordow in advance.
According to Yadlin, this would also require targeting Iranian missile sites that could threaten US targets in the Persian Gulf, as well as forces preparing to blockade the Strait of Hormuz.
"A broader US attack as a means of anticipating Iranian retaliation would also target missiles threatening US interests in the Gulf, as well as Iranian forces potentially seeking to block the Strait of Hormuz," he explains.
It is unclear whether Donald Trump will give the green light for the operation. The reason: Unlike Israel, which is located about 1,000 kilometers from Iran, Iran could retaliate massively against US bases in the region, some of which are only 100 kilometers from Iranian territory.
BILD has new infos from Amos Yadlin?
Possible war scenario for the Middle East: Trump's Iran attack could be bigger than expected
archive.ph/mXZev#selection-2177.0-2185.52
According to US media, US President Donald Trump (78) has released his military's attack plans against the mullah regime in Iran and its military. All that's missing is the order to attack, according to the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times.
The question, however, is how deeply the US will engage alongside Israel in the fight against Iran.
Amos Yadlin (73), a former general in the Israeli Air Force and former head of military intelligence, outlines two possible options in BILD.
Scenario 1: Trump attacks Fordow nuclear facility in isolation
▶︎ The first is an isolated, targeted attack on the underground Fordow nuclear facility. According to Yadlin, this would massively set back the Iranian nuclear program and send a clear signal to the regime in Tehran.
.....
However, Iran would likely retaliate against US bases in the Gulf, which is why Yadlin considers a second option more likely.
Scenario 2: Comprehensive US military strike
▶︎ According to Yadlin, who flew the attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor in Osirak as a fighter pilot in 1981, this second option would involve a more comprehensive military strike. This could prevent a possible Iranian retaliation for the attack on Fordow in advance.
According to Yadlin, this would also require targeting Iranian missile sites that could threaten US targets in the Persian Gulf, as well as forces preparing to blockade the Strait of Hormuz.
"A broader US attack as a means of anticipating Iranian retaliation would also target missiles threatening US interests in the Gulf, as well as Iranian forces potentially seeking to block the Strait of Hormuz," he explains.
It is unclear whether Donald Trump will give the green light for the operation. The reason: Unlike Israel, which is located about 1,000 kilometers from Iran, Iran could retaliate massively against US bases in the region, some of which are only 100 kilometers from Iranian territory.
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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Yes....the human history is full of mass murder....ethnic cleansing...pogroms....but a genocide stands out for very good reasons!
may only reach up to "ethnic cleansing", or "pogrom"?
Yes....the human history is full of mass murder....ethnic cleansing...pogroms....but a genocide stands out for very good reasons!
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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Not only that....it should be industrial...like ovens....
What nowadays gets called as "genocide" is totally mocking the real one!
I didn't know that you need to lose millions, before you have a solid moral claim.
Not only that....it should be industrial...like ovens....
What nowadays gets called as "genocide" is totally mocking the real one!
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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...no seriously Bobko....300.000? And most of them refugees? That's what nowadays counts as a genocide??? Bad joke!
...no seriously Bobko....300.000? And most of them refugees? That's what nowadays counts as a genocide??? Bad joke!
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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I dunno....a population loss of about 6 million? Not 6%....would be a start....
How many percent do you need for genocide? Let me know, so I can keep track.
I dunno....a population loss of about 6 million? Not 6%....would be a start....
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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There is no use for calling something "genocide" also....it has become burned out...like calling someone a Nazi or similiar.
It's worthless now! Overuse does that....
There is no excuse for genocide ever.
There is no use for calling something "genocide" also....it has become burned out...like calling someone a Nazi or similiar.
It's worthless now! Overuse does that....
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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...maybe they are able to learn and start leaving Israel alone....
...maybe they are able to learn and start leaving Israel alone....
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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What Israel is just doing for all of us.....taking the possibility out of the hands of nutters which can't be trusted with them.
What is the alternative?
What Israel is just doing for all of us.....taking the possibility out of the hands of nutters which can't be trusted with them.
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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I would like to listen to these Hamas-arseholes....how they yammer and whine and cry and regret...heh:)
Maybe soon they will lose their biggest supporter in Teheran...too....I bet that wasn't on their minds as they danced and cheered on the streets after the massacres!
until Israel decided to turn Gaza into a parking lot.
I would like to listen to these Hamas-arseholes....how they yammer and whine and cry and regret...heh:)
Maybe soon they will lose their biggest supporter in Teheran...too....I bet that wasn't on their minds as they danced and cheered on the streets after the massacres!
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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Interesting!
But frankly that is for the Iranians to decide....and absolutely not my problem. The West has only one problem: no nukes for the Mullahs!
The Pahlavi dynasty are a bunch of lowborn Mazandarani usurpers (not even Persians).
Interesting!
But frankly that is for the Iranians to decide....and absolutely not my problem. The West has only one problem: no nukes for the Mullahs!
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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bild.de/politik/ausland-und-internationales/usa-sollen-schlag-gegen-mullahs-planen-iran-ruestet-sich-fuer-trump-angriff-6852743d5cc1ca15643e07a6
....gets popcorn....
Attack reportedly imminent: Alert in Iran!
Trump releases attack plan
Iran aims missiles at US troops ++ "Doomsday plane" lands near Washington
Trump releases attack plan
Iran aims missiles at US troops ++ "Doomsday plane" lands near Washington
bild.de/politik/ausland-und-internationales/usa-sollen-schlag-gegen-mullahs-planen-iran-ruestet-sich-fuer-trump-angriff-6852743d5cc1ca15643e07a6
....gets popcorn....
Washington/Tehran - US President Donald Trump (79) could soon join Israel's military operation against Iran's nuclear program. The Wall Street Journal reports that Trump has already approved the attack plans. If Tehran does not completely abandon its nuclear program, he will strike.
Thousands of US soldiers stationed in the Middle East are preparing for retaliatory strikes from Iran. The New York Times reports this, citing military officials and intelligence reports: "Iran has prepared missiles and other military equipment for attacks on US bases in the Middle East."
Thousands of US soldiers stationed in the Middle East are preparing for retaliatory strikes from Iran. The New York Times reports this, citing military officials and intelligence reports: "Iran has prepared missiles and other military equipment for attacks on US bases in the Middle East."
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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What I seek?
I don't want a terrorist-attack with a nuke anywhere in Berlin, Paris or New York....is that so unfathomable???
If Iran kept to themselves, only torturing and opressing their own population, they would have a much better chance to get away with it. But they don't, and made lotsa powerful enemies with that. Some lessons need to be learnt the hard way....it isn't as if they have never been warned!
It's a delusion, pipe dream and no solution to what you seek.
What I seek?
I don't want a terrorist-attack with a nuke anywhere in Berlin, Paris or New York....is that so unfathomable???
If Iran kept to themselves, only torturing and opressing their own population, they would have a much better chance to get away with it. But they don't, and made lotsa powerful enemies with that. Some lessons need to be learnt the hard way....it isn't as if they have never been warned!
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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Sponsoring a terrorist network!
congress.gov/crs-product/IF12587
Lebanese Hezbollah
Hamas
The Houthis
Iraqi Militias
Cutting off the "head of the snake" is quite fitting! The whole region will be better off without Teherans meddling...
Now BB, would you add Iran to that list? And why?
Sponsoring a terrorist network!
congress.gov/crs-product/IF12587
Lebanese Hezbollah
Hamas
The Houthis
Iraqi Militias
Cutting off the "head of the snake" is quite fitting! The whole region will be better off without Teherans meddling...
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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There are lotsa other people who know better than you or me...I accept their judgement!
I personally don't want the Mullahs to throw around nine nukes, I'm grateful for Israel to take care of that problem! Thank you!
??? Heeeeeey! :)
Don't turn an IF into a WHEN
There are lotsa other people who know better than you or me...I accept their judgement!
I personally don't want the Mullahs to throw around nine nukes, I'm grateful for Israel to take care of that problem! Thank you!
S-Bahn to Warschauer Straße
??? Heeeeeey! :)
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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....and then what?
and just in case they need to ever build a bomb. (which would take years.)
....and then what?
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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...whereas you keep on burying your head in the sand I'm glad some don't!
....With its current stockpile, Iran could be capable of producing "more than nine" bombs....
...whereas you keep on burying your head in the sand I'm glad some don't!
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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...now I guess Tel Aviv and Washington have already the necessary details, why else would they attack NOW?
....According to the IAEA, the only international body authorized to inspect facilities on site, Tehran is now capable of producing 34 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60% per month. In its March 2025 report, the agency estimated, based on data provided by the Islamic Republic, that the country then had 274.8 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60%....
lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2025/06/19/how-close-is-iran-to-nuclear-weapons_6742494_8.html
...While uranium enriched to 60% is not usable, Iran's nuclear program is approaching the 90% threshold required to produce nuclear weapons. With its current stockpile, Iran could be capable of producing "more than nine" bombs, the European troika (France, Germany and the United Kingdom) told the IAEA Board of Governors on Thursday, June 12. According to European diplomats, there is no doubt that "Iran has continued its nuclear escalation unabatedly, even further beyond any credible civilian justification."....
Waiting till the inteligence says Iran is making a bomb.
...now I guess Tel Aviv and Washington have already the necessary details, why else would they attack NOW?
....According to the IAEA, the only international body authorized to inspect facilities on site, Tehran is now capable of producing 34 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60% per month. In its March 2025 report, the agency estimated, based on data provided by the Islamic Republic, that the country then had 274.8 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60%....
lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2025/06/19/how-close-is-iran-to-nuclear-weapons_6742494_8.html
...While uranium enriched to 60% is not usable, Iran's nuclear program is approaching the 90% threshold required to produce nuclear weapons. With its current stockpile, Iran could be capable of producing "more than nine" bombs, the European troika (France, Germany and the United Kingdom) told the IAEA Board of Governors on Thursday, June 12. According to European diplomats, there is no doubt that "Iran has continued its nuclear escalation unabatedly, even further beyond any credible civilian justification."....
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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....whats your alternative then? Waiting till the bomb is ready?
....whats your alternative then? Waiting till the bomb is ready?
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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The threat of nukes in the hands of west-hating terrorists?
But anyway, why intervene in Iran but not in Ukraine ? What's the reasoning ?
The threat of nukes in the hands of west-hating terrorists?
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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....don't forget the US plus the whole West!!!
They produce extra israeli and US flags to burn during their regular marches....
why is Iran 110% committed to the destruction of Israel?
....don't forget the US plus the whole West!!!
They produce extra israeli and US flags to burn during their regular marches....
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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That the opposition returns from the enemies of the system isn't that crazy but rather normal in the past, wouldn't you say?
The idea that the son of the kleptocratic torturer could lead a new Iran after aligning himself with a genocidal regime attacking the country
That the opposition returns from the enemies of the system isn't that crazy but rather normal in the past, wouldn't you say?
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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....Trump caution on Iran strike linked to doubts over 'bunker buster' bomb, officials say
Exclusive: The likelihood of a successful US strike on the Iranian nuclear facility buried deep underground at Fordow is a topic of deep contention, defense officials say...
theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/19/trump-caution-on-iran-strike-linked-to-doubts-over-bunker-buster-bomb-officials-say
You won't know it before you don't try it! I would say....
....Trump caution on Iran strike linked to doubts over 'bunker buster' bomb, officials say
Exclusive: The likelihood of a successful US strike on the Iranian nuclear facility buried deep underground at Fordow is a topic of deep contention, defense officials say...
theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/19/trump-caution-on-iran-strike-linked-to-doubts-over-bunker-buster-bomb-officials-say
You won't know it before you don't try it! I would say....
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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Maybe thats not necessary! It's doubtful that Mullah regime would get enough supporters on the streets to fight for them....
....When Mehnaz*, a 24-year-old student activist in east Tehran, heard the news, she did not think of Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei. Instead, she thought of her fellow students who were detained, shot and executed by Iranian security forces during the "woman, life, liberty" protests in 2022.
"After Mahsa [Amini]'s death, we tried to stand up. Teenagers were shot point blank, our compatriots were hanged. We could never get rid of the Islamic Republic on our own. Now, someone from outside is helping us," Mehnaz told the Guardian via text on Wednesday after a sleepless night of Israeli bombing.
First responders attend a bombed area covered in dust and rubble
'You worry what's going to come next': Iranians brace themselves as war looms
The prospect of imminent US involvement in an Israeli bombing campaign, which is suggested to be in pursuit of regime change, has laid bare deep divides in Iran's population, even among the opposition. Many are deeply suspicious of the US's intentions in Iran, which has a bitter history of foreign adventurism gone awry. Others do not care who is the one to topple the government.
A large portion of Iran's population is bitterly opposed to the government, which has only grown more repressive as the country slips deeper into economic crisis. Just two weeks ago, much of Iran was paralysed by a nationwide strike in protest at the dismal economic situation.
To some of the opposition, anything that could topple the Iranian government is welcome, whether it comes from street protests or US bunker busters.
Mehnaz said: "Yes, we'll probably have massive destruction in Tehran and other cities, but this regime will fall - and then we can rebuild everything again."....
theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/18/iranian-opposition-supporters-grapple-with-us-and-israeli-regime-change-plans
Ending the problem will require at least 50,000 Americans troops
Maybe thats not necessary! It's doubtful that Mullah regime would get enough supporters on the streets to fight for them....
....When Mehnaz*, a 24-year-old student activist in east Tehran, heard the news, she did not think of Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei. Instead, she thought of her fellow students who were detained, shot and executed by Iranian security forces during the "woman, life, liberty" protests in 2022.
"After Mahsa [Amini]'s death, we tried to stand up. Teenagers were shot point blank, our compatriots were hanged. We could never get rid of the Islamic Republic on our own. Now, someone from outside is helping us," Mehnaz told the Guardian via text on Wednesday after a sleepless night of Israeli bombing.
First responders attend a bombed area covered in dust and rubble
'You worry what's going to come next': Iranians brace themselves as war looms
The prospect of imminent US involvement in an Israeli bombing campaign, which is suggested to be in pursuit of regime change, has laid bare deep divides in Iran's population, even among the opposition. Many are deeply suspicious of the US's intentions in Iran, which has a bitter history of foreign adventurism gone awry. Others do not care who is the one to topple the government.
A large portion of Iran's population is bitterly opposed to the government, which has only grown more repressive as the country slips deeper into economic crisis. Just two weeks ago, much of Iran was paralysed by a nationwide strike in protest at the dismal economic situation.
To some of the opposition, anything that could topple the Iranian government is welcome, whether it comes from street protests or US bunker busters.
Mehnaz said: "Yes, we'll probably have massive destruction in Tehran and other cities, but this regime will fall - and then we can rebuild everything again."....
theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/18/iranian-opposition-supporters-grapple-with-us-and-israeli-regime-change-plans
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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I have no idea about that....but in countries which failed revolutions the former monarchs are at least a chance....on the way to something better. That's why Stalin killed the russian ones....
But anyhow, the Iranians should decide, nobody else!
The problem is that the Pahlavi family were far from loved
I have no idea about that....but in countries which failed revolutions the former monarchs are at least a chance....on the way to something better. That's why Stalin killed the russian ones....
But anyhow, the Iranians should decide, nobody else!
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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I guess he is a figure head...more or less....not that the Shah comes back immediately, but the proof that the rule of the Mullahs is definitely over!
I guess he is a figure head...more or less....not that the Shah comes back immediately, but the proof that the rule of the Mullahs is definitely over!
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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Reminds me abit about the german years after WWI (if we had another king or something like that)....at least one person people could agree with and who gets to say whats happening instead of the chaotic sinking in a civil war or worse...
Why him?
Reminds me abit about the german years after WWI (if we had another king or something like that)....at least one person people could agree with and who gets to say whats happening instead of the chaotic sinking in a civil war or worse...
Bratwurst Boy
19 Jun 2025
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Who else?
I dunno but I doubt there is a fully functional opposition ready to take over by now....
Comedy isn't it.
Who else?
I dunno but I doubt there is a fully functional opposition ready to take over by now....