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Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

HRE WASN`T a GERMANY...

Why do you think the HRE is called the "first Reich"??? ;)

And back then there wasn't a Czech but only a Bohemia and a Moravia...that is mainstream history, sorry...

So you agree with this idea :

Roman Empire 753 BC = Italy 19 century AD ???

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire#Legacy

The Germans more or less took over....;)

....
Several states claimed to be the Roman Empire's successors after the fall of the Western Roman Empire.
The Holy Roman Empire, an attempt to resurrect the Empire in the West, was established in 800 when Pope Leo III crowned Frankish King Charlemagne as Roman Emperoron Christmas Day, though the empire and the imperial office did not become formalised for some decades.

Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Thanks for the info, but I already know that.

Just for those who are not as knowledgeable as you and still think Germany hatched from an egg out of the blue only a few years back:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Germany

Bundesadler

....
Together with the Austrian coat of arms, which has the same history, it is the oldest extant state symbols of Europe and is among the oldest insignia in the world

Names can change...
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Germany was officially formed and unified in the 19th century.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany

Formation

- Holy Roman Empire 2 February 962 - 1806
- Unification 18 January 1871
- Federal Republic 23 May 1949
- Reunification 3 October 1990

crwflags.com/FOTW/flags/de_roman.html

Flag of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation till 1401:



Bundeswappen of modern Germany:

It wasn't called German because there were no Germany in XIV century.

Well, there wasn't a "Czech" either...it was a town in Bohemia, belonging to the HRE....:)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia#History

....
After a decisive victory of the Holy Roman Empire and Bohemia over invading Magyars in the 955 Battle of Lechfeld, Boleslaus I of Bohemia was granted the March of Moravia by German emperor Otto the Great.
... once he re-occupied Prague with a German army in 1004, ending the rule of Boleslaw I of Poland.

An Empire with an army...ah ja!

Plus lotsa Germans already there:

....
The mid-thirteenth century saw the beginning of substantial German immigration as the court sought to replace losses from the brief Mongol invasion of Europe in 1241.
Germans settled primarily along the northern, western, and southern borders of Bohemia, although many lived in towns throughout the kingdom.

Reminds me about Poland at the same time....the so called much talked about "eternal Drang nach Osten" seems to be some centuries of invited, peaceful of repopulation of the East after the mass murders by the Mongols...(as in Cracow) instead of something sinister...

In XIII century there were produced only 4 000 documents in theodisc (in all dialects and flavours) while 500 000 in Latin. So how do you feel?

I blame the church!
It needed a german Luther to make the main language native again...
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Simple as that the university in Prague is and was Czech...

Founded by a HRE King in Bohemia wich was part of the HRE with 90 percent non-czech students??? Okaaaay.... :):):)

As far as I know anything "Czech" is an artificial thing carved out of the Empires in in Europe after WW1...but you will surely see it otherwise.

*takes helmet*
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Oh look:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3906253?dopt=Abstract

The German University in Prague was founded in 1348 by the German Emperor Karl IV

Heh:)

We are talking abot university not about students...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Karl_IV

He was king of the HRE not of the Czechs....

On 11 July 1346 Prince-electors had elected him King of the Romans (rex Romanorum) in opposition to Emperor Louis IV.
Charles was crowned on 26 November 1346 in Bonn.
After his opponent had died, he was re-elected in 1349 (17 June) and crowned (25 July) King of the Romans. In 1355 he was also crowned King of Italy on 6 January and Holy Roman Emperor on 5 April. With his coronation as King of Burgundy, delayed until 4 June 1365, he became the personal ruler of all the kingdoms of the Holy Roman Empire.

Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Ofcuz that kingdom of Czech was a part of Holly Roman... but As I said before it wasn`t exactly the State.

There were only 10 percent Czech students though...and the HRE ruled at that time! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Feb 2010
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Interesting: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_University_in_Prague
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Feb 2010
History / Kashubians are nation in Poland? [124]

Well, I don't. It wouldn't serve Europe well if we were to have hundreds of tiny
statelets of every historical region in our continent. There's no coming back to
Middle Ages,

Of course not.
But the future of the EU lies in the regions, and there is surely place for a kashubian region too! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2010
History / 'Battle of Britain' won thanks to Polish aces !! [158]

I usually prefer books written by "the other side" - the enemy; for some reason I always prefer to study their reasoning.

Here you have the epitome of "the other side":

Admirable Adolf Galland's "The First and the Last".

He was not only there during the Battle of Britain, he was the friend of aces like Werner Mölders, Erich Hartmann and even british aces like Douglas Bader, the intimate enemy of Hermann Göring, he also founded and led the first jet Jagdgeschwader in the world.

Loved this book!
Bratwurst Boy   
1 Feb 2010
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

so what do you expect from people who lived in 1968??? Brotherly feelings? After 6 million victims of German folly? :):):):)

For their chzechoslovakian slavic brothers who too had been victims of Nazi-Germany?
Who were about to shed the shackles of yet another dictatorship? As the Poles wished to do also?
For sure!
Bratwurst Boy   
31 Jan 2010
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Na ja....but you wrote yourself that the majority of Poles were quite pleased with the invasion because of their fears of Germany.

That's not quite brotherly, freedom lovingly etc. at all.....
Bratwurst Boy   
31 Jan 2010
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

FURMAN: from German Furhmann (carter, waggoner); could be a Jewish name but not necessarily.

It's most probably "Fuhrmann" if I'm allowed to help...

Fuhrmann
mittelhochdeutscher Berufsname "vuorman" => "Fuhrmann, Schiffsmann"
Erstes bekanntes Vorkommen:
Furman (um 1350)

Bratwurst Boy   
31 Jan 2010
History / Communism fell 20 years ago, Poland led the fight since WW2 [341]

...
On the night of 20-21 August 1968, Eastern Bloc armies from four Warsaw Pact countries — the Soviet Union, Bulgaria, Poland and Hungary—invaded the ČSSR.[35][36]

Note, no Germans! ....this time.... ;)

...
That night, 200,000 Warsaw Pact troops and 2,000 tanks entered the country.[37] The troops first occupied the Ruzyně International Airport, where air deployment of more troops was arranged.
The Czechoslovak forces were confined to their own barracks and were surrounded until the threat of a counter-attack was assuaged. By the morning of 21 August Czechoslovakia was occupied.[36]

Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [231]

I think people seem to forget that innocent Germans died in WWII too.

Who dishes out should take it...
The real problem I have is that many people want to have it as if the Germans woke up one morning and decided to run amok...it wasn't that way!

I still believe we Germans had just and fair reasons to be pissed off....I'm not judging my ancestors.

Well, we should say thanks, our bobsleigh team use them to practice (you couldnt make it up if you tried!) also one guy has turned another tunnel into a fish farm...so they've been useful :D

Our pleasure! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [231]

we lost many of our provinces and major cities - just like Hungarians did.

Eh...Poland got land - Hungary and Germany lost land last time I looked.

some German allies ;)

Well, yes, they were! ;)
Since 1879

wwi.lib.byu.edu/index.php/The_Dual_Alliance_Between_Austria-Hungary_and_Germany

It was to honor our alliance with Austria-Hungary that Germany got to war 1918.
It was Polands allies who defeated us and took land away from Germany AND Hungary as punishment.
This grudge (between others) led to a new alliance between Germany and Hungary in WWII, to regain what was stolen.

How you are able to build from that an eternal friendship between Poland and Hungary is beyond me...

But maybe it's a slavic, romantic-polish thing! ;)

I'm leaving now....

A beer for all brave participants!
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [231]

That is quite possible (but you would still be stealing our football players ;)).

Probably...:)

Well, if Martians invaded Ethiopia and great snow avalanche fell on Hollywood while
the Chinese emperor was having his lunch... ;)

What lunch!

*get's hungry*
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [231]

The friendship was, is and will always be very
much real.

I tell you what Torqi....if Germans and Poles were not such close neighbours we would probably too be best friends - on the other hand if Hungary had lost huge towns and big stripes of land to Poland after the war they would barely regard you as friends nor wouldn't you any hungarian group remembering their lost lands watch and observe with hate and suspicion.

That is a given!

It was the same grudge as the Germans felt what made the Hungarians natural german allies...I find it always curious that your "understanding" of Hungarians is sooo great....just exchange the names, Hungarians and Germans have much more in common than Poles and Hungarians! ;)

Turkey never acknowledged the partitions of Poland. Archenemy from the past
had more decency than our dear, Christian neighbours.

Another far away country...isn't it interesting that your bestest friends where always from "far away"????
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jan 2010
History / remember, forget, forgive, blame ... Holocaust Memorial Day in Poland [231]

As for Mandel i can understand his point of view thought it would have been different if he was Polish,

Well...that is a universal statement, isn't it!
It's hard to exchange your own viewpoint stemming from your own heritage and past with another one...

Austro-Hungary is wholly different and more complex.

Why? Because Hungarians and Poles never shared disputed borders? Could hence uphold their "friendship"?

Real interest here...

And you have cheap-tasting white wine too!!!

Oh, now you are getting mean!