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Bratwurst Boy   
21 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Again:

Tell me Rafal/Elbi, do you think your postings get any better if you repeat them often enough???
Do you fear to get overlooked? That you need reinforcements? Man...you are really a Schizo...

What did he send you? A greeting card?

So desperate....It hurts...really...
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

"No real German"? What's that supposed to mean?

As a German you would know. But as a nationalistic, germanophobic Pole you are much better in tune with how some Poles call some Germans...there your "pseudo-junkers" etc. fits very well!

You apparently didn't understand the point, that's the problem.

Oh but I understood to well...you were speaking of "dying out" people, not some banking problem..again only rafalistic clichès and empty phrases which I countered with info and statistics. And even Darius' experiences speak another language...

Manno Rafal, you are so recognizable and predictable it get's boring!

Guten morgen, mein Herr!

Hello Filios! *waves*

(Brathwurst Boy: don't you think this is a little pathetic to throw this accusation? I had a better opinion of you)

My opinon of you didn't change at all...
What took you so long?

Oh...and you Schizo can stop sending me desperate PM's too...
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Somehow I come to think "Elbprinz" is our "Rafal"....give up, I found you out...you write to similiar!

All you produce is cliché ridden crap.

Nope...I even give you links...as usual!
And as usual YOU are the one producing just clichès, Rafal!

No real German would call them "pseudo junker" or "noblemen" and at the same
time call himself "Elbprinz"! :):):)
And working in a bank, applauding tax fraud...you lived in Hamburg for some years, didn't you? ROFL

"Elbprinz"="Rafal"

*waits for Rafal running back to his other account to protest*
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

So what?

You have no idea at all or you wouldn't talk such nonsense.
Back to stealing a poor Oma her pension for you...

I have a degree in political science.

A common sense and a brain would be of more use for you!

Eastern Germany and what is now western Poland was for centuries a heavily mixed territory...as Poles now come over to live here Germans go over to live there, often to their families roots, bringing money with them, often opening chances and offering employments...there is nothing wrong with that but getting back to the natural state as it once was.

"...pseudo junker..."

"...noblemen..."

Do you have an idea how commie and ridiculous that sounds?

PS: Polen is one of the most favourite emmigrant countries for Germans! 4th place overall...topping even the UK!
Now guess how many of those many thousands did chose Poland for heritage reasons?
It couldn't be about the higher living standards or the great employment market possibilities, now can't it!
"very few dying out pseudo junkers" my ass!

auswanderer-blog.de/auswanderer-ziele-2007
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Germany will become tropical probably soon anyway...the Ostsee it is!

There's a bunch of senile and/or confused people who fantazise about lost property in Poznań or Śląsk, but that's gonna be solved biologically in at least one generation.

But I wouldn't be so sure about that (and what does a wessi banker knows about such things anyhow...)

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/1334910/Polish-welcome-back-Germans-to-restore-their-stately-homes.html

There are more of them already...
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

But don't worry for my money: I'm a banker, I know my shit ;) That's why, in return, I'm so glad that people like are so easily deceived...

A banker...eeeek!
Now that explains it all...your kind got us in all this shit in the first place...thiefs and deceivers by profession!
Tell us more about your frauds from the last week...
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Of course historically and against all odds it seems that Poles are too stubborn (by nature?) to give either up.

Why should they want your soul? What does that mean?
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

My God, man, you're so self-important that it hurts. Of course I tranfer my money to a Swiss or Lux bank account if it pays! And most people I know try to evade our high taxes (with the help of their local German banks, that is!), and certainly that's normal behaviour! Steinbrück is a joke!

That says all one needs to know...really!
A self-righteous, egoistical tax evader, but most people are not like you, sorry!
Or our society would had collapsed long ago...
But most people are honest and don't sympathize with criminals and thiefs and leechers...I'm so glad people like you are going to be pissed off!

Oh and I for sure don't apologize for your gramps if he was part of an "immoral soldateska"...your problem, not mine! My gramps wasn't!

Steinbrück=Hamburger! There are good ones too...

an Ossi

PS: Another sign of great things to come! :)

Steuerfahnder Steinbrück nimmt deutsche Banken ins Visier

spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,614692,00.html

Getting nervous already?
Bratwurst Boy   
19 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

All parasites...

*nods so hard that helmet flies*
Bratwurst Boy   
19 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

It's unbelievable but Swiss doesn't love you too!

Yeah...it always get's ugly if it's about money.

Man I admire our Steinbrück, he says what so many only thought for so long.
All these leeching tinies around us like Luxemburg, Liechtenstein and also the Suisse who do not much else but leeching the money out of Germany getting now what they deserve.

At least a man who stops this! YAY, go Steinbrück!

And look how they rant and sputter...YAY!
Believe me Germany is behind him and all real honest, hard working people in the world too...it's about time.
Maybe this crisis has something good after all...
Bratwurst Boy   
19 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

lol.. I am a sick man...

No just a Pole...you can't help it!

PS: That isn't the same horse you lend me for Siberia, isn't it...

(you lost WWII because of the Yankees :-])

And they forgot about you after the war and left you to the Russians...what is worse?
I would think about that twice if I were you!
Bratwurst Boy   
19 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

I'm shaking already!

NATO is 'paralyzed' by Germany and France. They do not like American political and military presence in Europe.

Under polish leadership it would be so much better, I gather?
Bratwurst Boy   
19 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

I believe we will all see each other in Lusatia ;)

You can come visit Germany any time...:)

I meant a bilateral military alliance

For what?

The NATO is for all that...there are no "extra" alliances!

Did you ever heard of the Euro Corps? The core of the new future european Defense?
Look who is working there together...yup! Germans and Poles too...imagine that! *gasp*

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocorps
Bratwurst Boy   
19 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

In few years Serbia will join the EU...the SAA is already initialized.

See you in the civilized world Crowie!
Bratwurst Boy   
19 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Oh wait...you are sharing the reality of the Crow!

Okaaay....
Bratwurst Boy   
19 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Well, we are in a economical and political alliance together (EU) and in a military alliance (NATO), it doesn't get much closer than that...

In what world are you living Rafal?
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

I'm spreading the only true views by means of sarcasm, demagogy, trained eristic.

Thanks for letting me in! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Leberwurst-Boy, reading your posting gives me a strange deja vu feeling.
Your kind of argumentation reminds me of the German "Dresden" movie.

It isn't so much MY argumentation...I took care to post non-german sources, even russian ones....and what could compare to Stalins original orders?

I just don't need as much "interpretation" of facts....the same facts you seem to have problems with...because they are pointed out to you by a German?

Till now you only seem to be able to answer with bad jokes or sarcasm...no counter arguments, nothing to show were I was wrong.

(But accusing the adversary of being a neo-nazi or a nazi apologist is still a last "weapon" when everything else failed, right? Right! How lame...)

But you are right...the so called history "mainstream" in Germany changed abit during the last years...concentrating more on our own german stories...I see nothing wrong with that...every country does that...and this has zilch to do with "rewriting" history, because all these stories really happened too and nothing get's rewritten but only now talked about!

Dresden", "Eine Frau in Berlin", "Gustloff"

All of those things happened...what do you care as a Pole if Germans talk about it?

PS: You should try "Stauffenberg"....not bad at all! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

I'm not sure if it's the Germans duty to make the articles in english also...maybe to lazy....sometimes it is just better to be bilingual :)
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Of course you know about Katyn...but do you know about Winniza?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinnytsia_massacre

...Most of the bodies were found in the fruit orchard (5,644 bodies). Altogether, 91 mass graves were discovered at the three different locations and 9,432 bodies were exhumed;

...A monument was also erected to the "Victims of Stalinist Terror". Later the Soviet authorities rededicated the monument to the "Victims of Nazi Terror", finally completely removing it and creating an entertainment park in its place.[4...

Propaganda/history is still full of Winniza's....massacres by the Soviets but blamed on the Germans!
So please excuse me if I find offense with that and don't want to accept that quietly...that has nothing to do with white washing real atrocities done by german troops (there were already enough of them).

And I can't see a russian exhibition about russian war crimes forthcoming, can you?

However to give you a justice (translation):

Thanks...

Just saying... the murder and terror in the Sovietunion didn't start with the invasion of the Wehrmacht (and it didn't end with it).
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

I didn't know about this facts. Thanks

You know german Rafal, don't you?
For you the same...

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmachtsausstellung#Kritik_von_Historikern

Google Translation: German » English

... 1999, the Polish historian Bogdan Musial for errors in the assignment of ten photos that are not German, but Soviet crimes in summer 1941 show. "He asserted, moreover," approximately half "of the photos showed acts that nothing to do with war crimes had to be done [10].

The Hungarian historian Krisztián Ungváry declared a six pictures shown Distraint Serbian youths in a Yugoslav town was not of the Wehrmacht soldiers, but members of the Hungarian army were executed.

Only ten percent of all involved 800 photos actually showed Wehrmacht crimes, the other acts were of Hungarian, Finnish and Croatian soldiers, "assistant willing" from Ukraine, Russia and the Baltic States or members of the SS and the Security Service (SD). [11 ] Dieter Schmidt-Neuhaus doubted four photos of the victims of a massacre in Tarnopol should show [12].

The military historian Rolf-Dieter Müller of Militärgeschichtlichen Forschungsamt took this criticism on the issue and threw authors before the mass audience to have misled [13].

------------------------------------

PS: There is nobody who would deny the partaking of some german military in atrocities and war crimes it happened...but please, keep it realistic! It happened

on all sides. Stalin used his own civilians as human shields, that accounts for most of their deaths, not the german army!
I mean when even russian historians like Lomov and Epifanov start to doubt all this propaganda about the inhuman german "beasts" that should give you a hint...
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Did nobody teach you to discuss seriously Borrka? Only sarcastic blah blah instead of arguments? Again...what are you fearing?

Apropos Reemtsma:

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmachtsausstellung#Kritik_von_Historikern

Learn Borrka, open your eyes and learn...
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

I have nothing to say.

Just go and read and learn...the world of information is now open for you too!

(And exactly that will hinder the start of a new war or the overwhelming power of propaganda being able to whip up hate against another country...because everybody can now get information for himself not dependent on official, selected feedings)
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

More "lies":
It doesn't get more direct!

...
To deny the German army the possibility of settling down in villages and cities, to chase out the German occupiers from all settlements into the cold of the field, to smoke them out of all living quarters and warm shelters and to force them to freeze to death under the open sky - that is an task not to be postponed, from the accomplishment of which the acceleration of the shattering of the enemy and the destruction of his army depends to a great extent.

The Headquarters of the Supreme Command orders:

1. To completely destroy and burn down all settlements in the rear area of the German troops in a depth of 40 to 60 kilometers from the main line of combat and 20 to 30 kilometers to the left and right of the roads.

That was an official order! There are your thousands of burned towns and villages!
But go on, blame the Germans...

The above is a rendering of the full text of Stalin Order 0428 of 17 November, 1941.

books.google.com/books?id=PGANqVNdjKQC&pg=PA56&lpg=PA56&dq=Stalin+Order+0428&source=bl&ots=hhDQsRWTQX&sig=Ua8bjcCj1IIGo-6QBto3mgCx3hA&hl=en&ei=bje6SfDZKIq1-QaxteHLBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result

For some reasons I'm not going to use sarcasm or irony in this topic.

The last outlet of the helpless, bad jokes against uncomfortable truths...but it's not really a funny matter.
But when even russians and ukrainians today openly doubt the soviet narrative about the darker truth's of this war, why can't you even start to think for yourself?

What are you fearing?
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

He is lying on purpose

Where am I lying Borrka? Prove me wrong...I post objective links, not opinions.
It must be hard wading through decades of propaganda but the truth is worth it, believe me, give it a try!

wumag.kiev.ua/index2.php?param=pgs20071/80

...In the soviet times, the history of the second World War was a very sensitive subject and one-volume and many-volumed histories published then were heavily biased; very many facts were suppressed or twisted in an attempt to hide the appalling truth about the war...

...One of the reasons the truth was prevented from being revealed in the soviet times was the unjustified deaths of millions of soviet soldiers and civilians in that war - deaths which resulted from mistakes made by soviet commanders at all levels and from the pressure exercised by Stalin and other soviet leaders to have a city defended or captured, or a battle won at all costs by certain dates, important for propaganda reasons.

You start to sound like a Jew crying "ANTI-SEMITE" every time one criticizes Israel.
Only for you it's either neo-nazi or nazi-apologist...poor sod!
Is Stalin still such a hero for you? Do you really believe his utterings to be the truth?
I never knew Poles believed all what the Stalinists told them...or did the Stalinists only lie about Poland and the Poles and told the truth about the Germans???

...
Stalin called upon the soviets to pursue the scorched-earth policy in his address made on July 3. Not only military installations, factories and other things that could be put to military or other use by the invading forces were to be destroyed, but also all the foodstuffs too. A great many people were indeed evacuated - but millions remained in the territories occupied by the Germans. Without food, they faced starvation. There were many civilian casualties when the soviets blew up factories and other facilities without warning the people who lived nearby - the way it happened, for example, when the soviets blew up the dam of the Dniprohes power station on the Dnipro.

Untold number of the helpless wounded and sick were left behind or physically destroyed. These harrowing things are described in the recently published book, Velyka Vitchyznyana Viyna. Spohady ta rozdumy ochevydtsya (Great Patriotic War - Reminiscences and Reflections) by Fedir Pihido-Pravoberezhny. But in the postwar years, soviet propaganda and servile soviet historians claimed that the evacuation was well-organized and omitted mentioning the horrors of the scorched-earth policy.

All liars of course...
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

You are juggling with facts. There was nothing similar with scorched land from Stalin's side.

Man....you can read, can't you? Google for yourself...
One can lead a horse to the water but can't force it to drink!

Here I am speaking about the facts I know from my grandma who had lived in this time in small village near Moscow.

PS: Be glad Stalin didn't raze Moscow to the ground just in case the Germans got even nearer...but then I remember you telling that a proud and right thing to do even if it would had meant to sacrifice your grandma!

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3568041/Stalin-planned-to-destroy-Moscow-if-the-Nazis-moved-in.html

PS: Stalin didn't need the Wehrmacht to destroy the land and kill millions of people!
It didn't start with the invasion and didn't end with the fall of the Nazis...

artukraine.com/famineart/mace12.htm

....The further work with this material we leave to posterity. We simply could not endure the pain and horror. Stalin's sociological scorched earth policy maimed Ukraine to such an extent that it created a discontinuity in the normal development of the Ukrainian people, producing a unique situation....

Bratwurst Boy   
13 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Are you out of your senses? And what about thousands and thousands of burned villages and towns?

Ever heard of Stalins "scorched earth" order? What do you think that meaned?

...In case of forced retreat of Red Army units, all rolling stock must be evacuated, the enemy must not be left a single engine, a single railway truck, not a single pound of grain or gallon of fuel. Collective farmers must drive off all their cattle and turn over their grain to the safe keeping of the state authorities, for transportation to the rear. If valuable property that cannot be withdrawn, must be destroyed without fail.

The peasants were left with nothing, the rest took the partisans (and beware if the peasants didn't want to give their last cow)...
And when the red army came back many of them got trialed as alleged collaborateurs and murdered!

(Of course in the still prevailing soviet WWII narrative EVERY burned house, every murdered peasant is the guilt of the german soldiers, isn't it...)

What a great opportunities to lay all blame even for your own murders on the feet of the enemy....remember Katyn? And you can I believe even today still find museums in Russia who show "human soap" and present it as truth...

The war propaganda never really ended!

infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-06.html

...As the Soviet authorities and army retreated from Ukraine in 1941, Stalin's scorched earth policy left a trail of destruction including the Dniprohes Dam on the Dnieper River, which was the largest hydro electric power dam in Europe, countless mines and major industrial factories, and Khreschchatik Street in the capital city of Kiev. On November 3, 1941 the famous architectural monument, the Dormition Cathedral in the Pecherska Lavra built 1073 in Kiev, was destroyed.
Moscow tried to blame the Germans for destroying this superb example of medieval Ukrainian architecture but it was proven to be the work of a Soviet bomb squad which had mined it before their retreat and later set it off killing Germans...

....many, many of such examples when you go searching!

news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/22/newsid_3526000/3526691.stm

...At the same time, the retreating Soviet troops destroyed crops and burnt entire villages under Stalin's "scorched earth" policy to prevent supplies falling into German hands.

Bratwurst Boy   
13 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Is there any comparison between Haditha and WW2?

Of course...as you yourself throw the "collective guilt" around that freely every lone polish soldier is also responsible for the massacre in Haditha just because of being a member of the same coalition!

What's good for the goose...

If your noble troopers would win i wouldnt even be here because most Poles would be dead/germanized/on Syberia in work

I don't think so.....some things just don't fit, you know?
But this was an unwinnable war anyhow...the third Reich used war not for
a means to an end but as a reason for it's existence...

Did he ask for medical help for the victims of Treblinka? Belżec?

You still don't get it...

you want to respect him fine, everyone's entitled to an opinion but i sure as hell am not going to respect any Nazi trooper from WW2.

I think we can compromise on that! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Poles fight together and for a gov which made the rapes and the massacre of Haditha and Abu Ghraib possible...do all polish soldier suck now?

Once, after an especially successful fight against russian tanks, what saved the day for his unit (again), his superior asked Wittmann if he had a wish, it would be granted...Wittmann only said that there are still wounded russians on the field and asked for medical help for them...

What a bastard!