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Bratwurst Boy   
17 Jun 2010
History / Poles as Iroquois of Europe [42]

no doubt about his main role in creating the first welfare state worldwide.

Not only Bismarck himself build and ruled a highly competetive and successful country, after WWII it was the new western Bundesrepublik who decided for a social capitalism aka Bismarck (not the commie GDR just for your information).

This model proved to be one of the most successful models for more than 60 years, not only in Europe but in the world! The basics of Germany's political peace and economical successes.

I suggest watch the German movie Das Weisse Band (White Ribbon) - it's all about Bismarck's proto-Nazi Germany.

You are spouting crap again!
Nothing surprising here...and again you get your facts wrong.
The "Das weiße Band" was about the time before WWI. The only one from this village soon going out to kill for Kaiser and Fatherland was the narrator, the "good" teacher. Should tell you something...if you would have a braincell left in your easy peasy black/white world of thinking!
Bratwurst Boy   
15 Jun 2010
History / Poles as Iroquois of Europe [42]

tell me that state school is good and progressive and I will call you freakish mass production of an misconception

True too...
Bratwurst Boy   
15 Jun 2010
History / Poles as Iroquois of Europe [42]

I don't quite understand what Bismarck meant when comparing the Polish to the Iroquois.

Show me where he did please...I can't find something!

Given the cannibalistic tendencies of the Prussian sate I think the comparison works better in reverse:)

Sure, calling the most advanced, most modern state in Europe "cannibalistic" is a thing a Pole would do! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jun 2010
History / Poles as Iroquois of Europe [42]

Well, Bavaria was to poor and broke and the North German Confederation was the forerunner of unified Germany and led by Prussia too.
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jun 2010
History / Poles as Iroquois of Europe [42]

Prussian state it was a freakish state its a pity that Germanic states were consolidated by this ugly monstrous modern state - totalitarian state

Another example of polish school teachings??? ;)

For a more correct insight I would advise this book here:

By 1947, Prussia was deemed an intolerable threat to the safety of Europe; what is often forgotten, Clark argues, is that it had also been an exemplar of the European humanistic tradition, boasting a formidable government administration, an incorruptible civil service, and religious tolerance.
Clark demonstrates how a state deemed the bane of twentieth-century Europe has played an incalculable role in Western civilization's fortunes. Iron Kingdom is a definitive, gripping account of Prussia's fascinating, influential, and critical role in modern times.

...Iron Kingdom, Christopher Clark's stately, authoritative history of Prussia from its humble beginnings to its ignominious end, presents a much more complicated and compelling picture of the German state, which is too often reduced to a caricature of spiked helmets and polished boots.
Prussia and its army were inseparable, but Prussia was also renowned for its efficient, incorruptible civil service; its innovative system of social services; its religious tolerance; and its unrivaled education system, a model for the rest of Germany and the world. ...

Yup! :)

...From the military and agricultural innovations of Frederick the Great to nineteenth-century high academic politics to Bismarck's social-security system, this magisterial and remarkably well-written history of Prussia traces back to the eighteenth century the region's surprisingly tolerant and intellectually rich culture. Clark, a Cambridge historian, suggests that the world is poorer for Prussia's absence.

"Freakish" huh? Your education seems to have been freakish...
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jun 2010
History / Poles as Iroquois of Europe [42]

but so is Kulturkampf and his anti-Polish

The Kulturkampf wasn't anti-polish! But to modernize Prussia and make it a seculare nation state...as all modern countries are today, where state and church are separated!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf

The German term About this sound Kulturkampf (help·info) (literally, "culture struggle") refers to German policies in relation to secularity and the influence of the Roman Catholic Church, enacted from 1871 to 1878 by the Chancellor of the German Empire, Otto von Bismarck.

It wasn't easy but he did it and Prussia profited from it. He nearly got killed for it...by a German, not a Pole btw.

On July 13, 1874 in the town of Bad Kissingen Eduard Kullmann attempted to assassinate Bismarck with a pistol, but only hit his hand. Kullmann cited church laws as the reason why he had to shoot Bismarck.

I know I'm repeating myself here but I really wonder what is taught about Prussia, Bismarck and other german history in polish schools...maybe they really have horns and tails in their schoolbooks! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jun 2010
History / Poles as Iroquois of Europe [42]

Amusingly enough he probably did, why? We'll never know.

Where you there?
The man was dying FFS, had his family around him....how big is the chance that he would
especially one of the Balkan mess mention during his last breath.

Would you sigh "Germany" when you die??? ;)

Just like Prussian kings before him the guy had a pathological discipline streak,

Nothing pathological about discipline....only upringing and education!

a nation where 2 people have 20 opinions and it still actually works was something a guy with his mental profile could not understand or cope with.

I doubt they lost much sleep over Poland! ;)
It was always more about France or Russia...

PS: Bismarck’s Speech to the Prussian House of Deputies on the ―Polish Question‖ (January 28, 1886)

...
The belief that we could become accustomed to the Poles, and the desire to test the difficulties of the situation, gained credibility from the fact that in Silesia we lived with a million Polish-speaking subjects without any difficulty. [Also contributing to this belief was] the memory of the era before 1806 during which time the nationalistic passions were not so clearly in evidence. There was a socially bearable relationship between Germans and Poles, a complex social intercourse with Poles here in Berlin and in society.

This kind of naive trustfulness was suddenly disturbed by the Warsaw rising of 1830 and the emergence of a Polish question, in a European sense, in which other nations were involved and which has never since then wholly disappeared....

He didn't hate Poles but wanted to keep Prussia on order as every nationstate with strong minorities did...and does.
Poland did the same.
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jun 2010
History / Poles as Iroquois of Europe [42]

You shouldn't all believe what they tell you...

I'm fairly sure Bismarck had NOT Serbia on his lips the moment he died! ;)
Also we found out in this other thread that polish princess Wanda was all made up and did
not drown because of a Teuton.

There is alot of fairytales in polish history I fear ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jun 2010
History / Lusatian-Sarmatic obsession of Poles [153]

And???

Nazi propaganda widely used Bismarck's ideas for their purposes, and that is what i meant.

What ideas would that be he got from Friedrich or Paul or Otto?
I really hope you don't think about the welfare support insurance for aging laborers Bismarck introduced...
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Jun 2010
History / Lusatian-Sarmatic obsession of Poles [153]

This is a poster of Nazi propaganda. Nazi propaganda widely used Bismarck's ideas for their purposes, and that is what i meant.

Erm....that is Hindenburg on that poster, not Bismarck!
Not every prussian moustache makes a Bismarck, you know? Even a intellectual challenged Serb should know that!

That is an election poster btw...only Hindenburgs (he was the president of Germany at that time) death freed the way for Hitler's coup for power.

If you ever take the care to have a look into a history book you will be surprised to learn that the old prussian Hindenburg hated and mistrusted Hitler and waited till the last moment to appoint him.

But the whole bruhaha in the Reichstag made ruling impossible and something had to give.

But then I doubt you will ever read a good book at all...now go back into your corner and be ashamed!

PS: For your information:

Hindenburg, Paul von:

Bismarck, Otto von:

Bismarck
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Jun 2010
History / Lusatian-Sarmatic obsession of Poles [153]

Oh pleeeeaaaaaaase....

What are you proud of??? "You" LOST the war you started.

I lost what I started, yes? But you didn't??? What a proof that you are anything but german!
And I don't know any German who would call Hitler "that Austrian decorateur" (as he was a painter).

Not to mention such historically false statements that Bismarck somehow teached Hitler.
Bismarck is one of our most famous and admired personalities...a true German would knew that!

Just living in Germany doesn't make you German!

I think your poorly educated generation is not something to show around, especially if you need these kind of media to present your attitude.

Again!

"My" poorly educated generation? You of course not as you didn't enjoy german education at all, right?

You lying SOB!
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Jun 2010
History / Lusatian-Sarmatic obsession of Poles [153]

:-(((

Yes, of course...you know best and you have all the truths! *yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn*

PS: If Hitler had done things as Bismarck did (smart alliances, brainy diplomacy) you would speak german today..
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Jun 2010
History / Lusatian-Sarmatic obsession of Poles [153]

Well... he managed politically and militarily to unify Germany and to make a european power house out of a hodgepodge of little countries... Your serbian heroes did it the other way around, didn't they....

Just look at the facts and see who IS making the calls

Serbia surely not!

Bismarck was an intro for the biggest failure in german history resulting in millions of dead. You lost parts of your country . Your country was flattened.

Last time I looked Bismarck retired before the first WW...are you mixing him up with Hitler??? I wonder where you get your history from? Or did you get any at all? You know...soon afterwards he would die with "SERBIA" on his lips!
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Jun 2010
History / Lusatian-Sarmatic obsession of Poles [153]

I'm not discussing any dream-interpretation technique but the statement that our greatest ever statesman Bismarck doesn't had anything better to do than to murmur "SERBIA" in his last minute... But I can interpret that statement very well - wishful thinking!!! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
11 Jun 2010
History / Lusatian-Sarmatic obsession of Poles [153]

You really believe that sh*it? That Bismarck's last words had been Serbia of all things??? ROFLMAO

It seems Crow isn't the only serbian nutter...
Bratwurst Boy   
10 Jun 2010
History / Why Poles love Russia [105]

You will give back ours,

What do you mean?
I don't think there is anything still to give back...

European museum!

Good idea but where should this museum be located and who should run it?
Bratwurst Boy   
9 Jun 2010
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1090]

Hmmm....let's see what Wiki says:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world

From a cultural and sociological approach the Western world is defined as including all cultures that are directly derived from European cultures, i.e. Europe, the Americas (North and South America), Israel, Australia and New Zealand. Together these countries constitute Western society[19][20][21]

All the same huh?
Bratwurst Boy   
8 Jun 2010
History / Why Poles love Russia [105]

Seems fair really, it's worse with the Sweeds ;)

Fair???

What's fair about keeping german culture hostage? It won't become polish heritage, no matter what they do or how long they are keeping it...Where is the sense in that?

cracowonline/193,Controversy_over_Germanys_cultural_heritage.htm

The collection is gigantic, with tens of thousands of documents. They include original manuscripts - some autographed - from such world-famous writers and composers as Johann Wolfgang Goethe, Johannes Sebastian Bach, Ludwig van Beethoven and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.
....
Along with manuscripts of Goethe, Mozart, Beethoven and Bach, the collection contained manuscripts of Friedrich Schiller, the German poet, philosopher, historian and dramatist, and of the composer Robert Schumann archives.

PS: The handwritten original of our anthem by Fallersleben is also part of the Berlinka!
Bratwurst Boy   
8 Jun 2010
History / Why Poles love Russia [105]

So...what to do now? Invading another time (or two) back so to balance the sheet better?

*tongue in cheek*
Bratwurst Boy   
8 Jun 2010
History / Why Poles love Russia [105]

Art moved by Germans into occupied Poland during ww2,

Well, at that time it was still Germany, not occupied Poland...
Bratwurst Boy   
8 Jun 2010
History / Why Poles love Russia [105]

Improve my knowledge :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlinka_(art_collection)

The Berlinka is known to contain over 300,000 manuscripts by individuals such as Martin Luther, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, and Friedrich Schiller. It also contains linguistic studies by the Grimm Brothers[4] as well as many manuscripts and incunables from Polish monasteries in Gniezno, Lubiń, Mogilno, Pakość, Paradyż, Pelplin and Poznań, removed by Prussian authorities after the partitions of Poland[5] between 1820 and 1840.

At least both countries know where it is and that the collection is cared for by the Poles.
Bratwurst Boy   
8 Jun 2010
History / Why Poles love Russia [105]

and not having given the vast majority that we still don't have back. (We're still waiting)

We are waiting for the Berlinka still too...
Bratwurst Boy   
8 Jun 2010
History / Why Poles love Russia [105]

There are many, many more examples of the crimes and misdeeds of a genetically flawed semi-Slavic/semi-Mongol nation which knows only intrigues and brute force against its own people and their neighbour

Well, weren't it Poles who invaded Moscow on their own too, keeping it occupied for awhile and marched again with Nappy to have a go at the Russians?

Europe was "give and take" whenever it was possible...nobody excepted!
Maybe not the reason to "love" somebody but surely not a reason to promote "hereditary hate".
Bratwurst Boy   
31 May 2010
Genealogy / Polish and Russian DNA? [52]

Bratwurst Boy's screams of indignation!

You heard me!