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Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Just curious. That would explain a lot.

That I know where your story has it's cracks?

They left in 1968. 23 years of hard work of transforming Poland into a commie paradise.

Why should they leave their paradise they ruled supreme???

/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland#Communist_rule:_1945.E2.80.9389

...Polish Jews began to leave Poland soon after the Second World War ended for variety of reasons.[133] Many left because Poland became a communist country they did not want to live in, or because all private property has been confiscated by the new communist government.
Some left because they did not want to live where their family members were murdered and instead chose to live with relatives in different countries. Many wanted to go to British Mandate of Palestine soon to be new state of Israel. Yet others left because many Poles viewed Jews with hostility due to anti-Semitic prejudice.

What is Ossi?

Short for Eastern Germans :)
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Bratwurst Boy
Are you from a former West Berlin or DDR Berlin?

I'm a born and bred Ossi, and I know all the arguments...
You can tell maybe a stupid Wessi from the US or GB about the bad communist from Mars (or Jews as polish specialty) who somehow got to power to oppress the brave Poles/East Germans/(insert any other eastern bloc country of your choice)

But we know better, don't we? It weren't Marsians!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

As in every society, my guess not enough Russians spoke good enough German to be mistaken for one.

Come on... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_United_Workers%27_Party

In the crowning time of the PUWP's development (the end of '70s) it consisted of over 3.5 million members.

How many of them were Jews, huh? I can tell you, not many: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland

war period, many of the approximately 200,000 Polish Jewish survivors chose to emigrate from the communist People's Republic of Poland to the nascent State of Israel and North or South America.

200.000 survivors left, most of them packing their bags already, the communist party hostile....but you want to tell me that the omnipotent Über-Jew was able to terrorize the whole of brave Poland???

Sorry, I don't buy it!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

M-G (Bratwurst has earned some salmon with horseradich and mintsauce - yummie)

Oooh...*sits down to feast*

:)

Some were, most were implants that changed their name to reflect Polishness even if they had nothing to do with Poland.

Oh please....after the Holocaust there just weren't enough Jews left to terrorize all the people even if every one of them left felt the burning desire to do so. Not to mention that many of the survivors couldn't wait to leave the killing fields for Palestine.

Plain logic speaks again "the Jews did it all" theory!

No, it was our own people, opportunists, believers, cold beaureucrats whatever....Poles are humans like anybody else. You don't sh*it gold!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Nobody killed more Slavs than Stalin (Do count Georgians as Slavs???) and there couldn't be that many Jews left in Poland after the war (communist or not) to single handedly terrorizing the Poles.

Face it guys, the biggest part of the terrorizing after the war did non-jewish Poles, your very own people, I don't know why some of you have such a problem with admitting that. Your constant "The Jews did this! The Jews did that!" starts to sound unnerving....

In East-Germany for example the worst bootlickers of the Soviets were ex-Moscow hardcore Stalinists...Germans! (There might be the odd Jew there too but it hardly matters).

As was the case in all newly incorporated soviet republics....
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

According to you who was the camp commandant?

I would say the Chief of the Criminal Police of Lodz...at least that's what the source calls him.
The misunderstanding seems to be that he also held the rank of an SS-Obersturmbannführer.
And it is a fact that the SS tried to grasp as much of the state police under her influence as she probably could during her rise in Germany but when Himmler complains of the use of SS-guards and demands that this camp comes under the ruling of the criminal police then that is what happened.

Listen Jola, this camp was a crime and horrible as it is but in the context of the topic there hadn't been comparable camps for jewish kids at all, they never even got this chance...maybe we should stop here.

Poll was in communist Poland.

Yes?
And communist Poland wasn't interested in hunting war criminals?

And no...I'm not interested in your polish text...that is rude!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

You mean Eugenia Pohl?

Interesting facts about her too:
/wiki/Jugendverwahrlager_Litzmannstadt#Nachkriegsgeschichte

....
Die stellvertretende Lagerleiterin Eugenia Pohl änderte nach dem Krieg ihren Namen in Poll und begann unerkannt in £ódź als Kindergärtnerin zu arbeiten. Es wird spekuliert, dass sie einen einflussreichen Beschützer in der Stadtverwaltung hatte. Erst am 12. Dezember 1970 wurde sie verhaftet. ..

...The deputy camp leader Eugenia Pohl changed her name after the war in Poll and work undiscovered in Lodz as kindergarten worker. I is speculated that she had an influential guardian in the city council.
Only at the 12th of December she got arrested.

Curious...no leaving for Germany at the wars end? "Influential guardian" in the polish city council???
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Our sources say they were transfered to Ravensbruck or Auschwitz.

What sources? Bring them please....

And as I took the pain to translate german texts into english you could do the same for the sake of a discussion on an english-language talkboard, thank you very much!

Especially this here:

Załoga obozu była dobrana z całą starannością. Komendantem od chwili utworzenia aż do wyzwolenia był szef policji kryminalnej w £odzi, SS-Sturmbannfeuhrer Karl Erlich.

Again...your historians must have some sources...they should be in german so no need to translate them for me!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

That is clearly wrong.

Look at the sources....the documents are all there!

You mean it is not mentiond on the one German wiki entry which basically downplays it

There is no downplaying...it's all there, in all their horribly "glory". Inclusive links to further
information and sources.

That's nice to know, but we are not interested in Nazi propaganda at the moment.

Read the sources.

It is described by a Polish historian

Just show us his sources...(or we can put it into the same drawer like the infamous but never seen "Generalplan Ost")

PS: The camp worked on after the war did you know that?

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Jugendverwahrlager_Litzmannstadt

Original mail:

...

My translation:

"...About Jugendverwahrlager Lodz. There is told that the leftovers of the camp
were removed 1947. That is absurd! My brother and I were admitted on a Friday
the 23th April 1948. That is my name day, this has a special meaning in Poland, that's
why I remember the date.
On Sundy the 9th May our mother was allowed to get us home again.
We were admitted because our mother refused to work the whole day because of us.
Only the unflinching support of her "Kierownicka" is it thanked that we came free..."
Bratwurst Boy   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Here is the german wiki link:
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugendverwahrlager_Litzmannstadt

My translation:

"...The planning for a "camp for protection of Minors East" begun already 1941.
The idea came, after own admission, from Hans Muthesius who was annoyed/disturbed that because of "lack of special care institutions" foreign (especially polish) youth got send to german care institutions.

Ont 15th November 1941 Heinrich Himmler ordered the accelerated building of the camp.
With a memo from the 30th. May 1942 the told SS-Obergruppenführer Oswald Pohl that it isn't justifiable to use SS-guards and that the overseeing has to go back to the criminal investigation department.

The camp was being build under the overseeing of the SS, but ruled and run was it by the Reichs departement for the fight against youth criminality, a special departement of the female criminal police...."

All of the sudden the Nazis are Germans, and the concentration camp is an orphanage(sic) for orphaned Poles.

No, it was definitely not an orphanage (even if very young children were tested if they were able to become adopted by german families).
It's official goal was to protect Germans from criminal polish youth.

The only thing they got right is that the internees were transfered to Ravensbruck or Auschwitz on their 17th birthday.

That doesn't seem to be true...at least it isn't mentioned anywhere.
Bratwurst Boy   
8 May 2010
News / What is strategic meaning of Poland in Europe and in the world? [59]

She is just one of the countries controlled by Germany and France in EU.

Our control sucks! :(

Remember the Kazcinsky Twins? If we had had one ounce influence they could never had made Germany's diplomatic life as miserable as they did...
Bratwurst Boy   
8 May 2010
Genealogy / IS SWAROVSKI POLISH? [19]

I'm sure Swarovski, like many Austrians, wished he were Polish.

Heh:)

Wishful thinking! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Now go and enjoy the hot women in my clip and let me get on changins, will ya!

:)

Will do! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

But, according to testimonials of captured German militairy after the war, they'd never met such general hatred towards them anywhere in Europe as in NL.

Tja, what does that say about the Dutch?

Opportunists par excellance? First cheering the invaders, running to work with them like no other...once the invaders are losing terrorizing the "collaborateurs" like nobody else? Posing themselves all as brave resisters???

A phenomenon that could be also observed in boot-licker/surrender/collaborateur country France btw.

What does that say about the state of your minds...
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

actually if everybody thinks that NL was such a sympathising country,

Well, Holland had the percentual biggest participation in the Waffen-SS...

Indeed, I was aiming at the groups of collaborators, traitors, cowards and fascist groups as there were in most countries of Europe

And Volksdeutsche not to forget...why should they not cheer their own troops coming to rescue them at last!
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Heh:)

Now how do we find our way back to the thread topic...*scratches head*
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

It was objectively proved through the investigation of the German psychologist Hilde die Wasserrübe, who devised Lovleness Quotient, or LQ. Just compare:

"Objectively", ha! I've heard Hilde was a Brownie herself...and her assistants had all been Greenies...
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

I love your positive thinking!*hearts Jola* :)

You racist you!
Bratwurst Boy   
7 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Your 'theory' would have been very useful to show Alfred Rosenberg that most Germans had Jewish ancestry; a great tragedy would have been avoided.

All blue eyed guys (and gals) are related...doesn't matter if germanic, slavic or jewish! We share the same ancestor.
We are all one family and should start to act like it!!! :)

sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080130170343.htm
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Not again! Is he dead?

If only...
How can we win the trophy without a world class goalie???

*breaks down in despair*
Bratwurst Boy   
4 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

We just lost our goalie for the South Africa! That's far worse!
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Also already did, got a bit of a German

Ha! C'mon here brother! *hugs Sok close*
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [187]

It's 2010 and that guy is most probably dead, so your argument fails, for the party could have already been banned.

Here is more: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany#The_2001.E2.80.932003_banning_attempt
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [187]

That happened in the 70s.

Read on...it was mentioned in the course of the current try to ban the party (2002/2003)...
I wonder if the NPD ever was independent at all!

You are not really frightened of little 'ol NPD, aren't you....What's it to you, far away in..in...in...wherever you are! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [187]

I would love a trustworthy article on this topic. Care to post a link to it, in English or Spanish LOL

guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/13/johnhooper

Neo-Nazi leader 'was MI6 agent'

Germany's government is currently trying to ban the NPD on the basis that its policies violate the constitution.

But the government's case is in danger of collapse after the disclosure that some senior NPD members were agents of the Verfassungsschutz.

Google is your friend! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [187]

Where did you get that kind of "Information"? What would these undercover people do for the state?

Because there was a trial where they tried to get the party banned...there the whole affair came to light. The state couldn't very well ban their own servants...what a posse!
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [187]

You believe the NPD to be undercover state agents?

Half of them at minimum!

Astounding that you know so much about them over there in your Argentina....or Columbia...or whatever...
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [187]

They tried...it failed embarassingly so...to many state agents undercover innit....

PS: There is nothing wrong with being nationalist...the Hitler worship is what puts people off...it's sooo stupid and yesteryear!