Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Okay...let me see if I get that right:

Some words IMPORTED from another country and used by an isolated minority found their way into the polish language somehow count in your world as "having jewish roots in Poland"???

You've got to be kidding!


It is already commonplace and even yummy but I don't know anyone who would call THAT german culture (compared to the currywurst or the Bratwurst for example).

The same with equally popular chinese food or similiar...all very nice but Germans can normally differentiate very well between german culture and non-german culture...

If you have a problem with that....your problem, really! ;)

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

And for those roots coming out of Germany it would even be true! :)

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Maybe we should redefine the meaning of the word "root"???

Germany too has alot of kebab shops and turkish culture...doesn't mean german culture has turkish "roots"! ;)


PS:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiddish_language

Belonging to the roots of Poland? Don't think so....;)

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


But the child has the genetic heritage of both, it is not fully jewish. If it grows up as Pole it will never be part of the jewish roots of Poland.


Fully agree, all historians say similiar.
That's why it was possible for Jews across Europe to NOT have any significant impact on the genetic pool of their host countries. As I say again - DNA influence goes BOTH ways!

It is really a curious way of thinking to believe intermingling of Jews with the native people has only consequences for the non-jews! ;)


There is not much difference in the first place as there are only 3 big tribes (Celtics, Germanics and Slavs) in the first place.
Celtics and Germanics intermingled and mixed for millennia, the same there where Germanics and Slavs meet and mix - but all are european natives, Jews were not!...


I can use the word "mixing" instead if you like this one better?

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Where is your logic jonni?
You spoke of adultery...breaking of rules of the society...yes it happened. But as you say it it sounds as if only the christians are left with the aftermath, not the Jews...that is just not logical..always both parts "dilute" their gene pool (if they make kids that is).

And the law still stands, a tiny minority suffers much more from diluting of their genes than the majority.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Well...it goes both ways jonni.
Who do you think dilutes it's genepool more? The overwhelming majority or a tiny minority???
Easy math here...not the tiny minority will imprint itself on the majority but to the contrary, they will become assimilated into the majority (if they don't isolate themself).


Well, if that one is rarely existent in a society (besides some exotic restaurants) can you then still speak of "important part of the roots and heritage"?

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


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Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Well, till now no DNA tests on european populations found a significant "jewish gene" in them, so we can scratch that theory too! ;)

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

You are losing me here Plastic,
You just talked about jewish traditions as the core of being jewish, not genetics!

And didn't JoeP say that the eastern Jews ARE actually from the East (Khazars) and not from the ME in the first place???

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


The topic was about genetics, ja?

If you point at culture and food and traditions then there is even less reason to say that most of the Poles (or Germans for that matter) have jewish heritage today...

That would also mean that all those jewish kids who grew up as non-jews to save them from the Nazis are still lost to the jewish tribe..

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Well, their funny interpretions aside...if two different parts get a child together it will always have both sides in their heritage, if they like that fact or not! ;)

Another common fact is that always the smaller group assimilates into the bigger group (besides examples if the smaller group has and uses means to totally over come the majority in some way OR the smaller group isolates itself from the majority)

The Jews paid a high price all their time in Europe for not assimilating...

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


But that would then only be "half-jews", wouldn't they? ;)

The race laws work here also...there are always big discussions between the rabbis, even today "who is a jew"? Intermarriage with non-Jews seen as biggest danger to world jewry!

Fact is, had the Jews intermingled with the native Europeans that much they would had stopped to be Jews.

judaism.about.com/od/interfaithfamilies/a/intermarr_jew_2.htm


It wasn't for nothing that even after many centuries of living side by side, even experiencing times of nearly full assimilation, accepted integration, Hitler was able to pluck most of them out of the native Germans at the first try...

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


There were always exceptions of the rule (what only shows the rule). Of course the situation changed after WWII but then there weren't that many Jews to intermarry with left...

After all IF the Jews had integrated into the christian majority in that way as it would need to seed their genes that much there wouldn't had been a jewish culture to speak of for centuries anymore.

They needed their isolation to survive as culture...

And on the other hand, the other foreign, wandering culture in Europe are the Zigeuner (Sinti and Roma), next one will say the most Europeans have actually Zigeuner roots??? ;)

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

There was a topic some times back telling the same about Germany....

According to some people 90 percent of Europe MUST be some kind of jewish....really astounding if you look at such a tiny people repeatedly kicked out and harassed over the centuries.

And totally crap too, especially as most Jews prefered to keep "pure" to keep their religion and heritage alive and lived mostly voluntarily in their sthetls/ghettoes most of the time anyhow!

After all a Jew is only a Jew if his mother is jewish, right? And I doubt there were many christian women ready to convert to Judaism before...at least not in such huge piles as it would had been necessary.

History / Polish-German alliance. [489]


Hell, the Anglo-Saxons before that were a Germanic people! ;)

History / Polish-German alliance. [489]


Again....tell me more about this "position" Germany isn't allowed in? ;)

History / Polish-German alliance. [489]


What position???

And who do you think is going to do this "allowing" or "not allowing"? Britain??? ;)

History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [239]

What IS the polish cause???

News / Dalai Lama says: "POLAND HAS RETAINED ITS SPIRIT" [77]


Heeey....it's you declaring others for "dysfunctional"!
(I found that funny all the time) ;)
That's a strange concept after all, generalizing whole peoples like that....


Well, richness doesn't come easy to a country without many natural resources to speak of..
And France and Italy were "überfunctional" in their heydays too...

You are just to crass in your judgement...

News / Dalai Lama says: "POLAND HAS RETAINED ITS SPIRIT" [77]


Well...we are an exceptional people...
Germanics conquered the globe, no other people has given the world so many thinkers, scientists, writers, poets, musicians....and even in war and killing we are the best!

It fits somehow!

We are just to good and successful when we put our minds and energies to it....so beware! ;)
(We are "überfunctional"!)

News / Dalai Lama says: "POLAND HAS RETAINED ITS SPIRIT" [77]


"Bad luck"?
Not inherent dysfunctionality??? ;)

Life / Famous Polish people (that we have actually heard of) [231]


Ahem....again one of those germolish mongrels!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Conrad#Early_life

Genealogy / Polish Gypsy Roots & Roma ancestors in their families [205]


Oh please!

In german town centres we know Gypsies as using and ABUSING their little ones for stealing and begging. Mothers sitting with babies in especially windy corners to gather sympathies, meaning for them more money...

Sorry, I can't detect any love for their children at all!

History / What Was Happening in Poland around 1905? [73]


Well...I esteem the Poles all around very conscious of their heritage...

History / What Was Happening in Poland around 1905? [73]

I've thought so too but there are more people than one would think who are not mixed and if then only in their cultural group...

This census asked about this too...more people than not claimed both sides one heritage only!

PS: Did you know that even Obama has german roots???

History / What Was Happening in Poland around 1905? [73]


Oh please....then why didn't they became Germans, Austrians or Russians during the partitions??? Even today after centuries in Polonia they didn't forgot their roots (nor did the Germans)!

History / What Was Happening in Poland around 1905? [73]

Well, that may be but the census we are talking about (where the german heritage group is the biggest in the US) was recent. People where asked about their heritage, I doubt that any Pole was forced to say "German"....

So the numbers should quite correct!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American

History / Polish military in 1939 in pictures. [107]


Not boring...funny!


Yeah me too!!!

History / Polish military in 1939 in pictures. [107]


Also true...

Thanks for the translation!

History / Polish military in 1939 in pictures. [107]


What does it say?

(Please not "Berlin in one week" or so....)