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Bratwurst Boy   
29 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Is there someone in Russia who would be interested to find out about the murderers and would he be successful taking them to trial?

...
MALBORK, Poland, Jan 14 (Reuters) - Polish authorities have unearthed the remains of 1,800 bodies and expect to find even more in a mass grave first discovered three months ago and believed to date back to the final days of World War Two.

The site is in a corner of northern Poland that was part of Germany until 1945 and the authorities suspect the remains are of ethnic German civilians, at least some of whom were probably killed by advancing Soviet forces.

"We are dealing with a mass grave of civilians, probably of German origin. The presence of children... suggests they were civilians," ...

Bratwurst Boy   
29 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Should we blame our old veterans of WWII in any crimes? It will never happen.

Even if some of them are guilty? One example:
uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLE459966

What if one of those veterans took part in this? Are you absolving him too?
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

But it is not politically correct to remember it and now Russians are the only guilty in all those crimes

It's like with Germans and Austrians...;)
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Correct me if I'm wrong I read that Hitler held referendums regarding his handling of Germany's affairs, and each time had a 98% yes vote from the public.

I never heard of that but I would distrust any outcome that high...it doesn't sound democratic.

During the war in Britain Stalin and the Red Army were hailed as the saviours of the free world.

War time propaganda..isn't it lovely. But once the West accepted that they needed Stalin, what else should they have told their soldiers? It was a crazy time...
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

I don't think banning symbols and certain topics is a good thing either.
But the allies started it during the occupation and later there was not much will/interest to go through the moves to "re-allow" it again.

I don't believe there exist a group which really could become dangerous, with Swastikas or without.
Not many people left who believe Hitler was a good thing for Germany in the end.
Without him we would had very probably reached our current status much earlier and more peacefully.

No, Hitler started it by declaring it.

Well, GB and France started it with declaring war on Germany. YOU started the war Seanie! So...there...
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

We are trying to do the same without external force by ourselves.

Good luck...:)

(It's quite nice and refreshing to talk to some real Russians instead of getting all the info solely from the media - the image one gets can become skewed easily)
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Is there a need to do that?

If history books for the young ones are changed and rewritten to paint a white washed, sanitized picture, then yes.

Would you accept if Germans would start differentiate the Nazi history and point out that most people liked actually living in the Nazi era and that Hitler had so much support till to the end and why? Officials praising Hitler in the media???

If Swastikas would be allowed etc.?

I could see Germany's neighbours getting nervous...so Russia must accept that their neighbours watch modern Stalin-praise equally suspicious.
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Hitler plans for Slavs and other "lower" race people are in his published books and he had no opportunity to complete his plans. But his failed start was very impressive.

He was very sick at '45 already...he would had died soon and another one (more sane) would had taken over.

I don't think this "all Slavs would be killed" scenario would had come through...

There were to much initial support and collaboration only Hitlers madness failed to utilize but the commanders on the front had no problems to work with anti-soviet/anti-stalinist fighters, Slavs or not!

When you look at german propaganda of that time you will always read only about the fight against Bolshevism, not so much against an slavic "Untermensch"...

Victory or Bolshevism

Europes victory - your prosperity

Europes victory - your prosperity
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Well, for you - may be. I don't know who are you but it's even possible Hitler would be even good for you – if you belong to the right race from Hitler’s point of view (nothing personal).

Of course...;)

But then I would not have liked to live as entrepeneur, academic or well off peasant under Stalin, it would have been very probably a miserable and short life.

Personally for me and for all other Russians and Slavs Hitler name means death or slavery without any hope. With Stalin we somehow survive and may now talk to you.

Honestly I don't think so....it's a big "what if" and the Nazis used Slavs as helpers and willing collaborateurs too.

They both were devils but they had different criteria for mass murders - race and nationality for Hitler and economic classes without any relation to nationality for Stalin.

Agreed!
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

BB, Hitler started WWII. Stalin merely reacted later and joined the war to tan Nazi hide.

I thought they met in Poland...
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Well, I personally don't think Hitler was worse than Stalin....he didn't prey on his own people at least and Stalin killed many more people!

But then...it's a matter of perception....
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Certainly grates on my ears. I only cherish a hope that this piece of art is not what they write in your press.

I apologize!
But there is a certain amount of puzzlement in Germany, especially as in recent times (as the media reported) a kind of white washing of Stalin and his era in the history books and national discourse seems to take place.

I especially became puzzled as in the build up to the coming May party there were shown and interviewed people who had no problems to praise and to adore Stalin and his deeds, many of them old veterans. Excuse me for getting ideas...

(And you need more than just a handful of NKVD's to kill and to deport MILLONS!)

We are talking here a regime which killed MILLIONS of your own people Sasha.

ROA - Russian Liberation Army - colaborated to Nazis and were our enemies.

Were they?

They wanted to remove Stalin and his regime, didn't they....
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

There was a civil war in 1918-20 - White movement lost, most educated people were killed. Any resistance was supressed with mass murders.

Many of those fighted with the Wehrmacht later to have a go at their red oppressors, didn't they...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Army
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

May be it would help us to remove Stalin and communism earlier and save more lives.

Was there resistance? Who could have done the "removing"?
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Don't misunderstand me Sasha...it's not about me, my Opa or Germany.
We came clear with our past.

It's the russian way of thinking what puzzles me...you are the most opressed, murdered, abused people in Europe and instead of fighting this you still revere and honor your opressors!

We will see that in May again.

Many of those veterans were also part in killing Russians (I mean it wasn't the Marsians which killed and deported so many millions of your own), I'm sure of it....but you cheer them like...well....brain amputated, stockholm syndrom suffering, idiots, sorry to say that!

Stalin and his helpers killed much more of your own than the Germans ever could...
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

The problem was who was more evil - and in that period of time even Stalin was better than Hitler.

At least he didn't concentrate on killing his own people..
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

They won war. Losers can call them "criminals" - I can understand it but it doesn't matter.

Well, you are right...as long as your people don't start yourself nobody can help you...
You have to live with it, not us! After all they oppressed and killed their own people more than any other...*shrugs*

PS: You would probably call the victims of Stalin's russian "Katyn" losers too... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

Losers, yes?
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

My opinion?

That isn't a matter of opinion...aren't you yourself not interested in finding out and punishing war criminals?

But then...most of your people were also murdered by your own people, not the Nazis, it must be hard for a Russian to accept that and ignoring that past and denying that must be much easier.

You are good at that!

How many of those still marching stalinist veterans had been in the murdereous NKVD? The plague of your own people for much longer than the the war and the Nazis existed!

You think you won? For Germany it was over '45, you got 50 more years of oppression, secret police and Gulags...
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

There are not criminals - they are true heroes and winners. Criminals - forever - are those who lost WWII.

How do you know? Where there any trials? Ever?

Little or nothing.

How do you know?

Were war criminals, murderer and rapists ever punished?
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

I wonder how many of the old veterans marching in the victory parade every 9th May are war criminals, maybe even were there in Katyn or raping their way till Berlin...
Bratwurst Boy   
25 Apr 2010
History / PRUSSIA - Former Vassal of Poland later occupant | Nowadays Germany? [33]

Prussia lives on! In my heart!!! *wipes tear from eye*
One day it will rise again...jawoll!

...But no, today's Germany is not Prussia...to many Bavarians, Thuringians, Saxonians, Swabians and whatnot innit....

Of course the german national team wears still the prussian black and white colors...the sign of the army is still the cross of the order and prussian virtues are still seen as very admirable and are the base of many german stereotypes...the traces are all there...
Bratwurst Boy   
24 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]

Why do you think so many Germans, Jews, Tartars, Ruthenians, Scots, Irish, Hungarians and Czechs settled in Poland?

We know that in the case of Krakau and other towns that Germans were invited to settle here as the mongol invasions left these lands practically depopulated and devastated.
Bratwurst Boy   
24 Apr 2010
History / Poland is great Mother of all Slavs from Baltic to Balkan [211]

I don't want to pick a fight with you...just asking because of honest interest as I don't see how you can only defend your interest and your culture using a western enemy. I just don't see Europe this way...it's not realistic in my opinon. Also good luck with trying to make all Slavs speaking with one voice! ;)

Good night :)
Bratwurst Boy   
24 Apr 2010
History / Poland is great Mother of all Slavs from Baltic to Balkan [211]

ps: sry for Kopernik spam didnt kno that there is topic bout it already :blush:

No problem! :)

to be honest im not sure how this case ended

I have not so much knowledge with this special case either but it seems as if the eastern countries worked together because they had the same base problems as rather less developed countries than the older members...not because they were Slavs!

See what I mean?

with this last part of my post, i mean it a joke, i though it is easy to see it is a joke. OFC we will drain as much as we can keepin in mind that if it collapse we wont be able to drain anymore xd

*phew*

:)
Bratwurst Boy   
24 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]

Read some Scottish history books, BB, they'll reveal all.

Help me out here! :)
(I have no scottish book at hand)

I can't remember a scottish Empire and the last time I looked you melted into England...but maybe I'm missing alot here?
Bratwurst Boy   
24 Apr 2010
History / Poland is great Mother of all Slavs from Baltic to Balkan [211]

borned in Poland, got elementary education in Poland, Studied Astronomy in Poland by Polish profesor, yet he is half german coz he studied LAW in Germany? wow cool logic xd

ah lets not foget that his surname is Kopernik! His father was Kopernik so he is Kopernik :D

The Coppi thread is this way =======>

and if we will speak with one voice

Well...if you would be realistic then you would agree that this is never going to happen!
Not with Slavs, not with Germanics, not with Marsians, not within the EU, nowhere...

You just can't make millions of people speak with "one voice" (besides using draconian measures aka a brutal dictatorship).

You seem to have the opinion that the EU is against the "East", that the Slavs must unite to help each other against the West etc.

Why is that so? Can you bring some practical examples?

we will drain from EU till it collapse buaahahahahahaha

And then?

You prefer an unstable Europe? With every country out for it's own again? With alliances who gang up on others again? You miss the last century???

You liked war and unrest this much?

I'm glad the majority (yes, also the slavic majority in the EU) sees it differently...:)