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Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

I said there are words in the Polish language from Yiddish.

Okay...let me see if I get that right:

Some words IMPORTED from another country and used by an isolated minority found their way into the polish language somehow count in your world as "having jewish roots in Poland"???

You've got to be kidding!

Doner kebabs are a culinary innovation of Germany. One day they'll be part of Germany's cultural roots

It is already commonplace and even yummy but I don't know anyone who would call THAT german culture (compared to the currywurst or the Bratwurst for example).

The same with equally popular chinese food or similiar...all very nice but Germans can normally differentiate very well between german culture and non-german culture...

If you have a problem with that....your problem, really! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

And for those roots coming out of Germany it would even be true! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

These are the Jewish roots of Poland.

Maybe we should redefine the meaning of the word "root"???

Germany too has alot of kebab shops and turkish culture...doesn't mean german culture has turkish "roots"! ;)

There are words in the language from Yiddish.

PS:

Yiddish (ייִדיש yidish or אידיש idish, literally "Jewish") is a non-territorial High German language of Jewish origin, ...
The language originated in the Ashkenazi culture that developed from about the 10th century in the Rhineland...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiddish_language

Belonging to the roots of Poland? Don't think so....;)
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

The man walks away, the woman brings the child up.

But the child has the genetic heritage of both, it is not fully jewish. If it grows up as Pole it will never be part of the jewish roots of Poland.

The DNA influence from outside is small. Important to them.

Fully agree, all historians say similiar.
That's why it was possible for Jews across Europe to NOT have any significant impact on the genetic pool of their host countries. As I say again - DNA influence goes BOTH ways!

It is really a curious way of thinking to believe intermingling of Jews with the native people has only consequences for the non-jews! ;)

For the European gentiles, with DNA from here, there and everywhere, that isn't so clear.

There is not much difference in the first place as there are only 3 big tribes (Celtics, Germanics and Slavs) in the first place.
Celtics and Germanics intermingled and mixed for millennia, the same there where Germanics and Slavs meet and mix - but all are european natives, Jews were not!...

'Dilute' means 'to weaken'. Do you think mixing DNA weakens something and therefore 'racial purity' strengthens it?

I can use the word "mixing" instead if you like this one better?
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Don't you agree?

Where is your logic jonni?
You spoke of adultery...breaking of rules of the society...yes it happened. But as you say it it sounds as if only the christians are left with the aftermath, not the Jews...that is just not logical..always both parts "dilute" their gene pool (if they make kids that is).

And the law still stands, a tiny minority suffers much more from diluting of their genes than the majority.
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

there must be plenty of Jewish DNA in the Polish genepool

Well...it goes both ways jonni.
Who do you think dilutes it's genepool more? The overwhelming majority or a tiny minority???
Easy math here...not the tiny minority will imprint itself on the majority but to the contrary, they will become assimilated into the majority (if they don't isolate themself).

Aren't these the real roots, much more than bits of ancestry?

Well, if that one is rarely existent in a society (besides some exotic restaurants) can you then still speak of "important part of the roots and heritage"?
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

There's such a theory?

Points to thread topic
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

DNA tests were invented.

Well, till now no DNA tests on european populations found a significant "jewish gene" in them, so we can scratch that theory too! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

You are losing me here Plastic,
You just talked about jewish traditions as the core of being jewish, not genetics!

And didn't JoeP say that the eastern Jews ARE actually from the East (Khazars) and not from the ME in the first place???
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Food is a big part of being Jewish.

The topic was about genetics, ja?

If you point at culture and food and traditions then there is even less reason to say that most of the Poles (or Germans for that matter) have jewish heritage today...

That would also mean that all those jewish kids who grew up as non-jews to save them from the Nazis are still lost to the jewish tribe..
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Not according the Orthodox Jews.

Well, their funny interpretions aside...if two different parts get a child together it will always have both sides in their heritage, if they like that fact or not! ;)

Another common fact is that always the smaller group assimilates into the bigger group (besides examples if the smaller group has and uses means to totally over come the majority in some way OR the smaller group isolates itself from the majority)

The Jews paid a high price all their time in Europe for not assimilating...
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

A jewish woman can marry anyone and all her children will be Jewish.

But that would then only be "half-jews", wouldn't they? ;)

The race laws work here also...there are always big discussions between the rabbis, even today "who is a jew"? Intermarriage with non-Jews seen as biggest danger to world jewry!

Fact is, had the Jews intermingled with the native Europeans that much they would had stopped to be Jews.

judaism.about.com/od/interfaithfamilies/a/intermarr_jew_2.htm

...
In the past, Jewish intermarriage was rare.
It generally occurred when a Jew deliberately rejected his/her religion and heritage and sought to assimilate into Christian society.
In response to this rejection, the Jewish community disowned intermarried Jews. It was common for Jewish parents to sit shiva (Jewish mourning ritual) for children who intermarried.

It wasn't for nothing that even after many centuries of living side by side, even experiencing times of nearly full assimilation, accepted integration, Hitler was able to pluck most of them out of the native Germans at the first try...
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Are you sure it's always been that way, or just until recently? What about the story of Esterke?

There were always exceptions of the rule (what only shows the rule). Of course the situation changed after WWII but then there weren't that many Jews to intermarry with left...

After all IF the Jews had integrated into the christian majority in that way as it would need to seed their genes that much there wouldn't had been a jewish culture to speak of for centuries anymore.

They needed their isolation to survive as culture...

And on the other hand, the other foreign, wandering culture in Europe are the Zigeuner (Sinti and Roma), next one will say the most Europeans have actually Zigeuner roots??? ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

There was a topic some times back telling the same about Germany....

According to some people 90 percent of Europe MUST be some kind of jewish....really astounding if you look at such a tiny people repeatedly kicked out and harassed over the centuries.

And totally crap too, especially as most Jews prefered to keep "pure" to keep their religion and heritage alive and lived mostly voluntarily in their sthetls/ghettoes most of the time anyhow!

After all a Jew is only a Jew if his mother is jewish, right? And I doubt there were many christian women ready to convert to Judaism before...at least not in such huge piles as it would had been necessary.
Bratwurst Boy   
31 Dec 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Normans were Germanic people

Hell, the Anglo-Saxons before that were a Germanic people! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
31 Dec 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

get a life, learn from history don't keep argyuing about it.it happened.

Again....tell me more about this "position" Germany isn't allowed in? ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
31 Dec 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

germany can not be allowed to be in that position again.

What position???

And who do you think is going to do this "allowing" or "not allowing"? Britain??? ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Dec 2009
News / Dalai Lama says: "POLAND HAS RETAINED ITS SPIRIT" [77]

Poles didnt give the world so many thinkers and scientists i give you that but as far as military achievement we surpassed everyone, going so far as to occupy Moscow, twice and having our prince becoming a Tzar so i guess we must have not been so dysfunctional after all.

Heeey....it's you declaring others for "dysfunctional"!
(I found that funny all the time) ;)
That's a strange concept after all, generalizing whole peoples like that....

Not really you're just rich and you've always been bordering someone who had you on edge, first it was powerfull Poland, then it was powerfull Austria and then Russia so you never let your society slide like France or Italy did.

Well, richness doesn't come easy to a country without many natural resources to speak of..
And France and Italy were "überfunctional" in their heydays too...

You are just to crass in your judgement...
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Dec 2009
News / Dalai Lama says: "POLAND HAS RETAINED ITS SPIRIT" [77]

Say's a grandson of a Nazi soldier, how does it feel to have the greatest genocide in the history of the human race in your non-dysfunctional nations history books:))))

Well...we are an exceptional people...
Germanics conquered the globe, no other people has given the world so many thinkers, scientists, writers, poets, musicians....and even in war and killing we are the best!

It fits somehow!

We are just to good and successful when we put our minds and energies to it....so beware! ;)
(We are "überfunctional"!)
Bratwurst Boy   
7 Dec 2009
Life / Famous Polish people (that we have actually heard of) [231]

Konrad Robert Falkowski

Ahem....again one of those germolish mongrels!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Conrad#Early_life

...Conrad was born as Robert Conrad Falk (some sources indicate Conrad Robert Falk) in Chicago, Illinois. [1] He is of English, German and Polish descent.

Bratwurst Boy   
29 Oct 2009
Genealogy / Polish Gypsy Roots & Roma ancestors in their families [205]

showing other people how to love children and families

Oh please!

In german town centres we know Gypsies as using and ABUSING their little ones for stealing and begging. Mothers sitting with babies in especially windy corners to gather sympathies, meaning for them more money...

Sorry, I can't detect any love for their children at all!
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Oct 2009
History / What Was Happening in Poland around 1905? [73]

I've thought so too but there are more people than one would think who are not mixed and if then only in their cultural group...

This census asked about this too...more people than not claimed both sides one heritage only!

PS: Did you know that even Obama has german roots???

...Genealogists at the No.1 family history Web site revealed that President Obama's German ancestor was born Johann Conrad Wolflin on January 29, 1729. He immigrated in 1750, sailing to America on the ship Patience. Johann Conrad changed his last name to Wolfley once he settled among other German immigrants in Pennsylvania. His son, Ludwig Wolfley, President Obama's 5th great-grandfather, was born in 1766 in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. This research confirms that President Obama is one of the 17 percent of Americans with German ancestry.*

Bratwurst Boy   
16 Oct 2009
History / What Was Happening in Poland around 1905? [73]

They look at the records it said German therefore I’m German.

Oh please....then why didn't they became Germans, Austrians or Russians during the partitions??? Even today after centuries in Polonia they didn't forgot their roots (nor did the Germans)!
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Oct 2009
History / What Was Happening in Poland around 1905? [73]

Well, that may be but the census we are talking about (where the german heritage group is the biggest in the US) was recent. People where asked about their heritage, I doubt that any Pole was forced to say "German"....

So the numbers should quite correct!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American

German Americans

50,764,352
17.1% of the US population (2006) [6]

Bratwurst Boy   
28 Sep 2009
History / Polish military in 1939 in pictures. [107]

Also who says only Germans had monopoly on cool propaganda posters:)

What does it say?

(Please not "Berlin in one week" or so....)