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Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [187]

It's 2010 and that guy is most probably dead, so your argument fails, for the party could have already been banned.

Here is more: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany#The_2001.E2.80.932003_banning_attempt
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [187]

That happened in the 70s.

Read on...it was mentioned in the course of the current try to ban the party (2002/2003)...
I wonder if the NPD ever was independent at all!

You are not really frightened of little 'ol NPD, aren't you....What's it to you, far away in..in...in...wherever you are! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [187]

I would love a trustworthy article on this topic. Care to post a link to it, in English or Spanish LOL

guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/13/johnhooper

Neo-Nazi leader 'was MI6 agent'

Germany's government is currently trying to ban the NPD on the basis that its policies violate the constitution.

But the government's case is in danger of collapse after the disclosure that some senior NPD members were agents of the Verfassungsschutz.

Google is your friend! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [187]

Where did you get that kind of "Information"? What would these undercover people do for the state?

Because there was a trial where they tried to get the party banned...there the whole affair came to light. The state couldn't very well ban their own servants...what a posse!
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [187]

You believe the NPD to be undercover state agents?

Half of them at minimum!

Astounding that you know so much about them over there in your Argentina....or Columbia...or whatever...
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [187]

They tried...it failed embarassingly so...to many state agents undercover innit....

PS: There is nothing wrong with being nationalist...the Hitler worship is what puts people off...it's sooo stupid and yesteryear!
Bratwurst Boy   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [187]

Nope...only a few hundred (and most of them informers of the Verfassungschutz anyhow)

But I would like our veterans having their day in the sun too...they were the best!
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Russia basically used a WWII "Sudetanland land" type argument to seize Georgia's northern territories.

Some other arguments: spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,570829,00.html

....
After the recognition of Kosovo, the situation intensified and Georgia understands that it is losing South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Further talks will only serve to distance the two republics even further from Georgia. That's why the Georgians themselves have started to aggravate the situation, violating previous agreements and applying constant pressure.

spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,578273,00.html

...
But then Saunders qualifies his statement: "More and more people are realizing that there are two sides in this conflict, and that Georgia was not as much a victim as a willing participant." Members of US President George W. Bush's administration, too, are reconsidering their position.

Bratwurst Boy   
30 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

I'm not going to justify the Poland's invasion by Soviets.

Well...you don't have to. But do you think many of those young red armist ordered into Poland did that because they wanted to? Doubtful at least...they did what soldiers do in any army...even worse....disobeying had meant sure death. Do you think it was different in any army at that time?
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Romanian, Austrian soldiers along with German ones under Stalingrad… were they oppressed too? They simply thought the fascist would win and they would be able to share the pie.

Believe it or not Sasha, most of them had been also clueless 18 years old without a choice like your grandfather....
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

It wasn't Putin, FYI, it was Gorbachev. Does "glasnost" ring a bell?

I don't remember him bowing to the victims personally...

simply because after 70 years Russia finally admitted to the Katyn massacre

There is nothing "simply" about it....Such a gesture can't be seen in a vacuum. Putin is the Leader of modern Russia. He stands for changed views and at least a will for reconciliation between the russian and polish people.

I'm sure he got much flak from the stalinists in Russia....what you are doing right now with downtalking/ignoring this gesture is supporting the real enemies of peace and Poland in Russia.

Those kind would prefer another freeze between your two peoples to any acknowledgment of past crimes!

It's a slow process and people need to know they can rely on Russia being their true friend

Why not going for civilized relationships before? Nations can't be "friends"...they can have different kind of relationships and be sometimes allies if they share the same interests. Friendship is for people....
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

I had no idea that you are such devoted Russia's lover, Bratwurtski :)

I'm trying to be fair Bzibzi...and I admit I can emphasize with the russian fight to come clear with their past, it is not easy.

Also I know all about polish stubbornness and aversion against reconciliation...;)

Well, we still have to wait for that part.

What do you think was that?

Putin at Katyn

Remember that? Chancellor Brandt in Warsaw:

Sometimes we too thought...WHY? Why apologizing if the Poles will never forgive us anyhow?
If they want hostile relationships and ongoing fights and animosities they can have them...we give up!
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Honestly...why are you ignoring that Putin did more for the official acknowledgement of Katyn than any other before?

Is there some kind of demonization going on? I can emphazise with Russians in this case I think....when all your tries to come to term with your crimes and acknowledging them and apologizing for them are faced with a wall of refusal, being turned down...you will just stop trying one day, knowing it futile, letting resentments grow again.

This is not in Polands interest I think!
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

It's good to be cautious, especially when it comes to dealing with a country that has been brutal toward Poland (and other nations) so many times.

Not more than others I would say...and hadn't it been Poles who once conquered Moscow or invaded with Napoleons troops?

Would modern Poles like to be treated as hostile conquerer and invaders by modern Russians?

In my view, the process of forgiveness has been severely stalled by Putin but will eventually resume once he's gone, and one day he will be.

Well, if I remember it correctly it was Putin who was the first official Russian ever bowing before the polish victims of Katyn.

Did that escape somehow your attention? *seriously puzzled*
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Well, I think it was a great step what happened recently in the Katyn affair (Putin admitting that it had been Russians, acknowledging and regretting openly and officially)...demanding more and more and still blaming and hating them is a sure way to make the Russians regret what they admitted already. You cannot go from 0 to 100...such a process needs time.

If you want to stop any beginning reconciliation...go on Olga, you are on the right path!
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

"principled"???

Stop demanding more from the Russians than you do from others...they have their own problems and surely some things are seen differently over there...heaping scorn and contempt at them is not helping!

Putin has an astounishing number of voters and supporters, so what he says and does seems to be seen as good and positive with the majority of Russians, we have to accept that.

Germany did put up with years of rule of the polish "terrible twins", it was bad for our mutual relationship but we endured, after all it was the decision of the Poles.
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Russia isn't North Korea...differentiation is needed here too.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Russia

The Government of the Russian Federation (Russian: Прави́тельство Росси́йской Федера́ции) exercises executive power in the Russian Federation. The members of the government are the prime minister, the deputy prime ministers, and the federal ministers. It has its legal basis in the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the federal constitutional law "On the Government of the Russian Federation".[1]

There are goodies and baddies, conservative, hard core stalinists, communists, liberal, progressive...whatever you want.

And they have regular elections...hardly a dictatorship.
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Saakashivili didn't start anything.

He wasn't an innocent lamb either!
He tried to play games and lost...

Russia likes to twist history to suit its over-inflated ego. The truth of the matter is, Russia is just a big sh*t-disturbing bully.

Nothing beats a generous one-sentence judgement of millions of people, doesn' it....

I know it's cancelled, but the decision for such to begin with certainly says a lot about the Communist mentality pervasive in your country's government.

It says alot about the open discussion about this for many people uncomfortable, difficult topic...the outcome of that is a good sign and should be seen as such even by the most determined russophobes!

Acknowledging such signs and developments isn't going to kill you, you know?
Or else progressive Russians might come to think: "Why struggling so hard to come to terms with our past if they keep on hating us?"

In Germany such a thing would had been forbidden by law without any open discussion whatsoever. That is worse in my opinion!
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

The crimes we speak about are accepted as crimes by everybody and put to history books as crimes.

That's what I would ask you Jed....are such massacres by the Soviet Army known in Russia today? Are they talked about? Or is it only the german crimes which are known....
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Yes, our fault that they found the mass grave that late....sorry, so sorry!

There are still more mass graves to unearth....it will follow us for a long time I fear.
What do you advise Seanie....you find a grave with murdered people and just let it go?
Would you do the same if it were scottish women and children?
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

I would want to leave it for history and historians. We are not able to save lives and even not able to punish criminals. Time passed and it is too late.

So...you think it would be better to let it rest? No investigation? Not finding out what had happened to these civilians? Who did it what?

Would you see it the same if it were russian civilians murdered by the SS?

The international community must hold its hands up in shame and acknowledge that the time has passed. Punishing people after 70 years is plainly absurd and it would send out a very bad message to would-be wrongdoers.

Would you say the same to Poles who so long fighted that Russia acknowledges the crime of Katyn? All these NKVD murderers are dead...should they stop caring?
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

But what if we start to investigate all Nazis crimes on FSU territory? There are still a lot left without any investigation.

I don't think there is an army which was as much investigated as the german.
You are free to investigate all the crimes, you did already.

but I also don't trust to any German or Polish investigator in this case

How about doing that yourself?

Why don't people punish crimes when they happen?

Because it wasn't possible?
How could the Germans and the Poles demand a trial and punishment for the murderers in the Soviet army after the war? Katyn needed 70 years.....

The only other possibility is to start a war again. I wouldn't like the idea, but if you insist...

I don't understand you....
You would want to go to war to defend some war criminal who murdered women and children?
You think because you won the war there is no need to go after your war criminals?

Boy...you are further away from any true reconciliation than I thought! In case you don't know, waiting till the problems and questions are dying away won't work. Your skelets in the closets are only going away if they are out in the open. Be it in 50 or 100 years.

PS: Look in a mirror when you next time want to heap your anger at some little baltic parade...they honor their veterans as you do.

They care about the crimes they possible did as much as you do!
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Is there someone in Russia who would be interested to find out about the murderers and would he be successful taking them to trial?

...
MALBORK, Poland, Jan 14 (Reuters) - Polish authorities have unearthed the remains of 1,800 bodies and expect to find even more in a mass grave first discovered three months ago and believed to date back to the final days of World War Two.

The site is in a corner of northern Poland that was part of Germany until 1945 and the authorities suspect the remains are of ethnic German civilians, at least some of whom were probably killed by advancing Soviet forces.

"We are dealing with a mass grave of civilians, probably of German origin. The presence of children... suggests they were civilians," ...

Bratwurst Boy   
29 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Should we blame our old veterans of WWII in any crimes? It will never happen.

Even if some of them are guilty? One example:
uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLE459966

What if one of those veterans took part in this? Are you absolving him too?
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

But it is not politically correct to remember it and now Russians are the only guilty in all those crimes

It's like with Germans and Austrians...;)
Bratwurst Boy   
29 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Correct me if I'm wrong I read that Hitler held referendums regarding his handling of Germany's affairs, and each time had a 98% yes vote from the public.

I never heard of that but I would distrust any outcome that high...it doesn't sound democratic.

During the war in Britain Stalin and the Red Army were hailed as the saviours of the free world.

War time propaganda..isn't it lovely. But once the West accepted that they needed Stalin, what else should they have told their soldiers? It was a crazy time...
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

I don't think banning symbols and certain topics is a good thing either.
But the allies started it during the occupation and later there was not much will/interest to go through the moves to "re-allow" it again.

I don't believe there exist a group which really could become dangerous, with Swastikas or without.
Not many people left who believe Hitler was a good thing for Germany in the end.
Without him we would had very probably reached our current status much earlier and more peacefully.

No, Hitler started it by declaring it.

Well, GB and France started it with declaring war on Germany. YOU started the war Seanie! So...there...