Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


Yes - like the Russian Bratva or "Brotherhood". Emerging from Stalin's camps, they have now been so successful that they imposed their prison mentality onto all of us.

F*ck "subcultures".

I don't respect any turd that tries to sell me criminality as mainstream.

I am with the Reds. The cops. The KGB. The army.

While someone steals to feed his ass, others sacrifice beyond measure. This cannot be so.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


If there were, I'd be highly surprised. Largely - we pretend they don't exist, until something bad happens. Then, there is a lot of bad blood on all sides. The gypsies are angry at us for stealing their children, and we are angry at them for allowing children to grow up in such an environment.

I'm sure they themselves are not happy being who they are.

A kid born into that environment has no chance. The Russian state or some kindly local Russian - are their only way to becoming contributing members of society.

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Completely off topic... but back home - we had a famous Gypsy that was my age. In fact, he was born in exactly 1989 - same as me. His thing was standing in the middle of traffic, begging for money from cars. His schtick was that he pretend to have cerebral palsy.

In the evening, when I saw him off work, the motherf*cker had an iPod Video (which I didn't have), and an amazing set of headphones. He would also go to the mall, and stroll through Zara and H&M.

One day - people got tired of him, and beat him so hard he almost became a genuine handicap. Guess what? Next day he showed up at work, as though nothing happened.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


I've watched Guy Ritchie's "Snatch". I got a small dose of what English attitudes towards Pikeys are.

If Jason Statham and Guy Ritchie are representative of what the average Englishman thinks about Pikeys - then spare me your melodrama.


Right. Every depiction of Irish Travellers and English Gypsies I've seen - shows them as thieving bastards.


Good for him. I have a female friend that is 75% Romani - she is a credit to her history faculty.


Alright well this went too far and was uncalled for.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


Turned into normal, non-thieving, non-scamming individuals.

Will you argue that parasitizing on good English folk and Russian folk is a good way to live?

Do their own kids not feel self conscious about this way of life their father is imposing upon them?

Do they not see - how their mother has no rights and is treated as less than human?

They carry the same blueprint within their souls as me - so I assume they want the same thing.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


Kind of zero, I'm afraid.

The central government has no gypsy policy. The Kremlin does not know Gypsies exist.

Policy is determined locally, by municipal leaders and governors.

Usually the methods are coercive. Some kind of murder or other gruesome crime happens within a Gypsy tabor, and the government cracks down. Takes away their children, places them in Russian boarding schools, and forcibly Russifies them.

If it doesn't go the extreme boarding school route, they still insist on educating the kids - sometimes under convoy and armed guards.

This is the only way that Gypsies ever reform - if you steal them away from their family and immerse them in secular Russian education.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


Nope.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]

They are surprisingly polyglot-ish.

The "uncle" who first confronted me - first spoke English to me. Then Italian. Finally he spoke Russian.

Amazing language skills.

When I heard his Russian accent, I knew immediately he was not from Romania or Bulgaria, but from Moldova, or somewhere in Odessa Oblast. Asked him if he's proud of himself, and whether the family back home knows how he feeds himself. Mentioned the name of a couple famous tabors that settle around Odessa and Chisinau.

He immediately sh*t his pants.

They're only good at scaring Western tourists. When confronted with somebody from the home country, they are meek as mice.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


A relative concept.

On the scale of Russian crime - they are a nuisance more than anything else.

Pickpocketing, palm readings, scam games, livestock theft - that's the extent of their criminality.

They're not selling anyone into sexual slavery. They're not bringing in shipments of heroin. They don't do murder for hire, or extortion. They don't assist rogue regimes in smuggling arms or radioactive materials.

They still irritate me. Especially their men. Sitting on their ass all day, smoking cigarettes and sipping on tea - while their wives and children beg on street corners. What kind of man is that?

What kind of man - melts away into the crowd - at the first sign of danger, and lets women and children handle his matters for him? This is what happened in that Paris incident that happened with me and my friend.

Ten beers deep, and several double whiskies - we were hoping to cause a ruckus. My friend threw the guys game into the river (and was arrested shortly afterwards), while I was just lollygagging about hoping they would escalate. Sure enough, the "uncle" of the group tried some cheap intimidation tricks on me, but then when he understood that he is dealing with a completely disinhibited person simply vanished. Then the rest of the boys vanished. All that was left were hysterical women screaming into my ear and slapping away at my back, and tearful children.

When the Gendarmes arrived, it looked like we were trying to beat up a bunch of women and children.

Disgusting.

History / "How Poles Built Russia... [26]

@Torq

It upsets me that the things Russia is good at, are not very profitable. This thing you have brought up is one such example.

Who makes a f*cking piece of machinery that works nonstop from 1969 to 2025? That's just stupid. American and European manufacturers have planned obsolescence, and make more money from part supplies over the life of a product than from the initial sale.

The things in which we're world class are super niche. A firefighting airplane. An icebreaker. An amphibious transport. All sh*t that you can't sell more than a handful of - even if you build Canada's entire icebreaker fleet. Our firefighting planes - people most often don't buy them, but just rent them from us.

Russian's don't want to make a t-shirt or nice little handheld drill like the Chinese. We only want to make things that go "BOOM!" or are good for travelling through marshes or tundra.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


Same group we have in Russia.

Crazy that they managed to maintain commonality from Russia to UK.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


What relation do your English, Welsh, and Irish "Gypsies" have to our gypsies?

I always thought that the "travelling folk" were basically English, Welsh, Irish in dress costume. That you don't have real gypsies?

News / Poland to introduce border controls with Germany and Lithuania [101]


Not necessary. Just empower the necessary people to perform the cleansing - and they will do it cleaner than any vigilante or John Wayne.

Off-Topic / Stock Market Talk and Trading - part 2 [743]


I read that renewables capacity has for the first time overtaken coal fired capacity.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


Which makes sense.

Using modern gene sequencing and linguistic analysis, scientists have narrowed down the origins of Gypsies to northwest India. Specifically Gujarat and Rajasthan.

It's speculated that it took them several hundred years to arrive in Europe (entering Europe through the Bosporus and through the northern Caspian Steppe).

But before we had DNA sequencing and other things, we had the story from the Shahnameh. The story is a mix of fact and legend, but it clearly shows they were initially called for their musical talents:

According to a legend reported in the Persian epic poem, the Shahnameh, the Sassanian king Bahram V Gor learned towards the end of his reign (421-439) that the poor could not afford to enjoy music, and so he asked the king of India to send him ten thousand luris, lute-playing experts. When the luris arrived, Bahrām gave each one an ox, a donkey, and a donkey-load of wheat so they could live on agriculture and play music for free for the poor. However, the luris ate the oxen and the wheat and came back a year later with their cheeks hollowed by hunger. The king, angered with their having wasted what he had given them, ordered them to pack up their bags and go wandering around the world on their donkeys.

To me it's mind blowing, that before airplanes, and ships, and trains, several tens of thousands of people managed to walk from India to Portugal - in what in historical terms - amounts to the blink of an eye.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]

@jon357

Ok, maybe I'm wrong. I know plenty of people that lead normal lives that are half or quarter or whatever, but never a full blown representative of the people.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


Oh stop it...

He must be a half breed. Never saw a genuine Gypsy in finance.

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]


If I only judged books by the criteria of how much their message comports with my inherent biases - I would still look and sound like Johnny Reb.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


If they are wrong - then what do they do instead?

In Russia - if they are honest - they engage largely in vegetable sales (retail), and woodwork.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]


Do they still support themselves primarily through begging and petty crime, even though settled?

Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]


Fine... I will read it.

Genealogy / Polish and gypsy traditions [140]

What's the Gypsy situation in Poland?

Life / Will Poland ever be multicultural like Sweden, Germany or France? [283]


Surprised Romania is not number 1, but instead Turkey. Also, no Bulgaria?

Maybe the type of crime gypsies are proficient at, does not result in prison sentences? Just seems strange, given that nearly every European big city center has gypsies running petty crime networks.

Recently, gypsies have made it to New York. I don't know where they came from, but one day they appeared in the subway - typically a young woman, and always with a small baby. One time, I saw a scene where an older Orthodox Jewish gentleman got into an argument with a gypsy in a subway car. "This is the richest country in the world! You have no shame! There is no reason to do what you are doing! I spit on you!". I thought this was pretty amusing.

I don't think their pickpocketing, or ball game tricks will work very well in the United States. Pickpocketing is likely to result in having your spine broken, or getting shot. Scamming people using ball games and card tricks, will work until you play against some gentlemen from the projects.

This is also why I am so puzzled at why the gendarmes in Paris or the Carabinieri in Rome seem to give zero f*cks about Gypsy crimes. In fact, they won't do anything to punish them - but they WILL drag you to the nearest police station if you go so far as to throw a scammer's equipment into the Seine (my friend did this, and to his surprise he was arrested). Not sure if he was arrested for polluting the Seine, or for destruction of property - but still kind of amazing.

If I put my "logical hat" on, I think the practical reasons may be:

1) These are Bulgarian and Romanian citizens - meaning they are free to travel within Europe. If you start cracking down on them in one place, they'll simply pick up and move to Marseille, or Milan, or Madrid.

2) They list fake residential addresses, and carry fake IDs. Arresting them is worth more administrative hassle than the trouble they create.

3) Being decentralized and solely focused on petty crime - they are preferable to say Russian or Corsican gangs running more organized rackets around tourist areas.

4) They represent a tax on idiots, and a nice little boost for the local French economy. If a tourist was planning to spend €200, suddenly he has spent €250 instead. Gypsies still need to eat and fix their cars - so the money contributes to French GDP.

But honestly - how can it be normal to arrest tourists and not the pickpocket or scammer who had provoked the tourist?

Off-Topic / Hillary Clinton Doesn't want Americans birthing Children, Immigrants do this. [46]

@Torq

Conclusion - you want lots of new Poles - you have to elect either fascists or communists.

Horseshoe theory.

Or... everyone embraces Mormonism.

Off-Topic / Hillary Clinton Doesn't want Americans birthing Children, Immigrants do this. [46]

@Torq

But just like the fascists in Spain and Chile, the Communists in the Warsaw Bloc knew something about demographics. How did they do it? Without Church? Without monasteries? Where taxes did not play a role?

Off-Topic / Hillary Clinton Doesn't want Americans birthing Children, Immigrants do this. [46]

Some easy explanations - without knowing anything:

1) some kind of assault on contraceptives

2) ban on abortions

3) elevation of the church's role in society

Off-Topic / Hillary Clinton Doesn't want Americans birthing Children, Immigrants do this. [46]


It's true, that you see some kind of anomalous stabilization of birth rates under Francisco Franco and Augusto Pinochet. You can confirm this for yourself, I don't have the time now to find the papers.

These Catholic dictators somehow managed to stop the trends of history and industry.

I'm not a specialist in this space, so can't really flesh this out. But I have seen this in papers and data.

Edit: I found one graph

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Off-Topic / Hillary Clinton Doesn't want Americans birthing Children, Immigrants do this. [46]


It absolutely is marriages.

Even Koreans and Japanese - once securely married - produce the necessary amount of kids.

So many people are now unmarried, or married once but disastrously.

Off-Topic / Hillary Clinton Doesn't want Americans birthing Children, Immigrants do this. [46]

@Korvinus

Transgender got nothing to do with it.

Gays don't either.

All that matters is marriages. Get marriages back on track, and you will see kids again.

Off-Topic / Hillary Clinton Doesn't want Americans birthing Children, Immigrants do this. [46]


If you are interested in the actual answer - it's not gays.

What seems to be the problem is marriages.

Marriage rates are low, and when people do marry - they often do it late or divorce quickly.

Married people still make the requisite number of babies. Just not so many people getting married anymore (early) or doing a very good job at maintaining those marriages.

Thanks Boomers - for being toxic assh*les that turned everybody off from the institute of family!

Your dysfunctional approach to family has doomed humanity.

Off-Topic / Hillary Clinton Doesn't want Americans birthing Children, Immigrants do this. [46]

@Joker

Population is power.

Demographics is destiny.

If you don't make kids, and you don't want foreigners - you must be prepared to vanish into obscurity, or pull off some heretofore unseen miracle of productivity growth.