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Nope, this is what you wrote:


"No other country" = only Poland.


Yes, a failure on your part to not communicate bullsh1t :)


Ah, so it's again "lies=sarcasm" according to johnny_reb lol 🙄


I don't think that's a coincidence... Fortunately in my city Trzaskowski won :)

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I'm not taking it out on you - Ptak continues to needlessly drag this out and I'm just responding to his unnecessary bullsh1t.


You haven't shown us anything. You haven't provided any proof for your claims that the US is sharing any military equipment or technology only with Poland.


I don't single you out. When you were suspended/gone I had my clashes with jon357 and the most notorious liar on this forum - Novichok.

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So how old were you when you moved to Australia?


PiS is the epitome of hypocrisy. 🤮

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It is really funny that you're literally lying about what johnny_reb wrote even though his posts are here in this thread for everyone to see. Do you think people are blind or what? lol What is wrong with you? Are all MAGA people pathological liars? o_O


No, it's not any "denial of reality". PiS president would veto such a bill and Trzaskowski wouldn't.


Which opinion of mine are you talking about?


Does your wife agree? 🤨

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@Ironside, I usually "argue" if I have evidence to prove my point or there's no evidence coming from my opponent's side. So it's not just about my "opinions".

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@johnny reb, I "argue" until you (or anyone else) stop writing stuff that aren't true. It's usually that simple.


And what kind of nonsense is this? lol


I see I have to feel embarrassed by your ignorance again o_O They're in a coalition with more conservative parties:

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/psl-torpeduje-ustawe-o-dekryminalizacji-aborcji-ogromne-poklady-zlosci/4mcr315


I am not delusional and you're being ignorant again:

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/polacy-dostali-pytanie-o-liberalizacje-prawa-aborcyjnego-zaskakujace-wyniki-sondazu/41nry1n


Not true at all.

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No, but I feel embarrassed by your ignorance :)


No, he isn't. In the right circumstances - if Trzaskowski won and the more conservative parties in the coalition didn't oppose it - they would pass the bill. There would be no reason for them to not do so, because majority of Poles support a more liberal abortion laws.


Do I though? What do you know about my personal views on this matter exactly? And what do you mean by "fringe minority" if majority of Poles support a more liberal abortion laws?

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Yes, but your attitude reminds me a lot of that sentiment/mentality. Those pro-Putin RuSSians were saying the same thing about Poland - all parties in Poland were "the same", according to them, because none was pro-RuSSian ;D Very RuSSian-centric.


Well, they are - they are against the way EU is now and where it's supposedly heading - getting more integrated. That's not the case with Tusk's party - they're pro-EU with no such reservations as far as I know.


He's not "falling over himself" - Tusk simply stated facts.


You're wrong though.

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Yes, your view is strikingly similar to that of RuSSians (that I've discussed with) talking about the US politics who were claiming that Democrats and Republicans are like Coca Cola and Pepsi just because neither of them was pro-RuSSian (at least at that time when I discussed with those RuSSians) lol


Not PiS.


Not really.


And... that's "no biggie" according to you? lol 🤦


Tusk's party is in favour of legal abortion up to 12 weeks.

You're not so well informed on Polish politics, it seems o_O

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He probably copied some random stuff that came up in his Google search (like "zwiedzamy wałbrzyskie") lol


Haha ;D


Well, I know that American military personnel don't share classified information even with their spouses (or at least they shouldn't), so how would you have access to such info?


The fact that there are things that American military uses that are secret doesn't automatically mean that they share it only with Poland ;D🤦

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:D

I didn't realise we have "ghettos" in Kielce ;D Do tell where they're located! :)))


Yup.


Is it because there are no such places in Poland like "Zwiedzamy" and "Bramy" and "wałbrzyskie" is a whole region and not a town or a city? ;)

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I'm not arguing, I'm just correcting your non-factual information :)


If you're talking about boots on the ground then even that isn't 100% free.


The democratic transition in Poland started already in 1989 actually.


If they were so "secret" that there would be no mention of it in the media whatsoever then you wouldn't be privy to such classified information, so cut the bullsh1t :)

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My point is that what johnny_reb keeps claiming about only Poland getting this or that isn't true. He wrote that "Trump gave Poland the latest technology in equipment and training that no other country was offered." That's simply not the case. I don't know what is the point of him making such claims.
Also, Poland has been buying American military equipment not only under Trump, but also under Biden and other American presidents. So Trump just continues what other American administrations were doing - allowing an ally buy their military stuff. As I wrote - I'm just setting the record straight.


No, it isn't "irrelevant", because it isn't true. If the truth isn't relevant for you then that's a problem.


Then why won't he just write that instead of lying about it?

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But you did - here:

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-karol-nawrocki-new-president-88922/4/#msg2030725


Ah, so you're talking out of your ass :D


When Poland wasn't even in NATO yet - American elite special forces were training and sharing their tactics and equipment with Poles :)


Poland, Japan, Australia, Canada, Denmark, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and the Czech Republic, "as well as other NATO countries that leverage the WGS system when needed".

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@johnny reb, again, Poland isn't getting any "cutting edge weapons" from the US "for free", so what are you talking about?


I will gladly say "Thank you" to any American president who contributes to the security of Poland, including Joe Biden :) who in 2022 announced that the first permanent American garrison would appear in Poland and he kept his word. It's in Poznań and it's called Camp Kościuszko. Poland has been asking for American permanent presence on Polish soil for years. Mariusz Błaszczak, the Minister of National Defence during the PiS rule, called it "a historical moment" back then.


I'm really curious then what kind of "latest technology in equipment and training" Trump gave Poland that no other country on this planet was offered :) Could you name those things? Because all of what you mentioned earlier (Abram tanks, F-35 fighter jets, Apache and Black Hawk helicopters, HIMAR rocket launchers and Patriot missile systems) are in possession of quite a few other countries, not only Poland.


You must know something that I don't then, because I am not aware of any "advanced cutting edge weaponry the United States protects and keeps for itself" which the US would share only with Poland.


Don't get me wrong, I am (and probably majority of Poles) very thankful for what the US did for Poland for years* (and not just one president). I'm just setting the record straight - there's a number of countries that have the same American military equipment that Poland got and it isn't thanks to just one American president.

*For example, I don't know if you're aware, but Polish GROM special forces unit was basically built from scratch with the help/training provided by the British and American special forces. And that happened already in the 1990's. There's even an alley at the GROM base in Warsaw named after one of the Delta instructors who trained the very first GROM snipers :)

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@amiga500, I hope it's a joke... lol 😳😂

So were you or were you not born in Australia?

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I didn't follow that thread and didn't see your comments.
How is my question "dumb" though? You live in Australia, don't you? And judging by your poor level of Polish I assumed that you were born in Australia. Weren't you? 🤨

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@amiga500, "our new president"? Do you have the right to vote in Polish elections?


Um... I will believe it when I see it... lol

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Ah, so PiS decided to make it even worse and create unprecedented problem of "legal dualism" in Poland? That was supposed to be that "good change"? lol Completely taking TVP over and changing it into something on the level of RuSSian state TV - that was OK, according to you? Taking over and trying to shut down independent media? That was supposed to be that "good change"? PiS has authoritarian tendencies and that's been hurting the state of democracy in Poland on a scale that I haven't seen since the fall of communism.


I really doubt it - there's no legal reason for that - Nawrocki wasn't somehow nominated by PiS as the president against the law - he was elected by the people. So his vetoes will be legal. End of story.


I don't know about that - Bobko was defending his hooligan past, so I'm guessing he prefers Nawrocki over Trzaskowski. 🤔

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If you're talking about Dariusz Barski then according to the Ministry of Justice he was appointed by his buddy Ziobro illegally, so... I guess you could say he wasn't the national prosecutor in the first place.


What "numerous times"?
As for TVP - I was against that and I wrote about it on the forum. I'm afraid that's the new "quality" that PiS has introduced into Polish politics - they started breaking the law and Constitution from the very beginning of their rule in 2015, even passing bills under the cover of the night - hoping that noone will notice or care. You didn't complain back then, did you? Now, I'm afraid, we're all reaping what was sown by PiS back then.

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@amiga500, you are talking complete bollocks lol


They will say no such thing lol :))) You seem to be really detached from Polish reality over there in Australia or you're projecting your PiS mentality on others.


What are you even talking about? lol You can't "quietly" pass bills if the president vetos them - they simply don't become the law. That's it. End of story. 🤨


Nah, you don't know that. Nobody knows what will happen in two years time.

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@amiga500, nothing in that quote says that the government will be somehow ignoring presidential vetos. It's not legally possible, so what are you on about? lol


It means that they will continue working as they did under Duda - that's all. Did they ignore any presidential vetos during Duda's rule? No. So get a grip lol

🙄🤦

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Eh? What on Earth are you talking about?

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That Fort Trump doesn't exist though:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Trump


I am not aware of Trump "giving" anything to Poland (for free). As I wrote Poland has been buying American military equipment for years (including under Biden). So what changed exactly?


This has been happening for years.


Besides Israel? lol (and probably some others)

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I'm not sure if the "vote of confidence" is a good idea though? What's that for in the current situation? It is an elected government, they have the right to rule - I don't think anyone contests that. 🤨

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Yes, Mr Tusk, thank you - you are a fighter, I applaud that! :))):

wiadomosci.wp.pl/specjalne-wystapienie-tuska-po-wyborach-7163425305823936a

Never give up! ❤️🇵🇱👍💪

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@johnny reb, how did Trump help? What did he do any differently in terms of helping the Polish military than all the previous American presidents did? Poland has had good relations with the US since the fall of communism and we've been buying American military equipment for years. So what has changed under Trump, according to you? (It's a genuine question, because maybe there's something I don't know about.)

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@johnny reb, it wasn't Trump who helped "Poland become the most powerful military in Europe". It was Polish governments' decisions and Polish society's support for those decisions. And those were mainly a result of RuSSia's invasion of Ukraine.


Me too, but Trump didn't have anything to do with Poland's success as a country o_O

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@johnny reb, we may not like it, but we did accept the election results - unlike PiS we don't claim that elections were rigged/falsified whenever our party loses any elections :)))

Btw, I see only one plus side of Nawrocki winning - he's going to be the one who will have to kiss Trump's ass lol 🤮 May God help us survive Trump's and Nawrocki's rule... ;/

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@johnny reb, the Conservatives are not in control in Poland. The Polish government is a coalition of liberal, centrist and left-wing parties. The government rules in Poland. The Polish president can pretty much only block bills. So it's a "stalemate".


I'm not sure what you mean by "Wokies". Anty-PiS people are definitely not a minority in Poland. Nawrocki won by a very small margin - those are the official Polish presidential election results:

Nawrocki: 50.89%
Trzaskowski: 49.11%