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This isn't an "argument". It is a tragic death, almost certainly of natural causes.


The "points" that Paulina was ranting about have all been addressed. However she knows zero about the context and is basing her meltdown on one online article.

She doesn't mention the Coroner's verdict since she doesn't even know. For some reason the article doesn't mention it or ask about it, presumably because the journalist who wrote it doesn't know how the system works.


It seems that article is written solely on the basis of the "belief" of a grieving mother and a "private detective" without reference to actual facts.

Paulina should be ashamed of herself.

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Don't be silly.

Interesting that a figure linked to the PiS regime would defect to Belarus.

He must like authoritarianism.

Food / Polish cakes made in Poland [115]


Biscuits? There doesn't seem much of a tradition of them. Even Delicje are a rip off of overseas products.

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Do you mean Timberland? I bought some which looked good but the quality is poor.

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Indeed. And knows nothing of which he writes.

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Yes you did "start" this.

You "start" ridiculous arguments with periodical regularity.

And the bizarre thing is that it's on the basis of one online article.


I said the same and outlined the way each stage can be challenged.


A "private detective" who doubtless is making good money and can say what they like without consequences.

You should drop this. It is undignified l.
If there is any mystery, which there almost certainly isn't, there are correct channels to enquire. Clutching at straws, like suggesting her flatmates Lukasz and Alexander are the sons of important British people or suggesting that a Death Certificate doesn't contain a detailed cause of death are ridiculous.

It makes you look unpleasant and foolish.

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Sometimes healing (you can call it faith healing, spiritual healing and a few other things) can bring genuine relief from pain etc.

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Has she claimed that the Death Certificate doesn't give an exact cause of death? As far as I can see she hasn't said that at all.


Paulina, you really should drop this.

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Ankylosing Spondylitis is fused bones isn't it?

How did you cure it?

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Grow up Paulina. This is now the seventh time it's been explained to you that Death Certificates contain the cause of death.


There you go again.

Try to show some dignity. You are making a public exhibition of yourself, and not for the first time. You do this with some regularity...

Food / Polish cakes made in Poland [115]


Tetley's Brewery too...


I think maybe Rowntree too. They were certainly paternalistic employers who looked after their staff.


Absolutely accepting of everyone, non-judgemental, always kind and so relaxed. Unitarians can be a bit like that too.


Sometimes I think that England should celebrate Thanksgiving Day just to be thankful that they all sailed off in the Mayflower...

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The gene sequence?

I'd guess that it would be necessary to have years of experience in medical sciences. Plus of course it's very controversial and may well be heavily regulated soon in most developed countries.


That's important. Families can be frustrated sometimes however they are still like gold, even if it sometimes hurts.

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Which is why it certainly isn't the cause given on the certificate. They are generally very detailed.


Feel free to 'believe' what you like on the basis of a short online article, however you are certainly writing without any context at all about the way things work there and you are certainly trying to argue for the sake of it.

As I say, disrespectful, undignified, hysterical and perpetuating misery.

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ICU departments ask all sorts of questions. I wouldn't read too much into it.

If you're having a hard time though, it's probably easier there than in Poland. Are there people around you who care about you, even if it might sometimes seem like they don't?

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All Death Certificates contain the cause of death.

That must be the sixth time you've been told.


Yes, she does read about it online, according to things elsewhere on the internet. Did you think I made that up?

Now stop making a stupid exhibition of yourself. This is a serious matter involving a woman who died of natural causes whose grieving mother is having a very hard time accepting that.

Most of what little is findable online about it in English is down to you. Calm down and show some respect.

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You've been told several times now that it's on the Death Certificate. If you're so interested, why not ask her next of kin if she'll let you see it?


Hard to know where you pull that gem from. Especially since I criticise the authorities there all the time. In this matter though, it seems there's nothing controversial.


The matter is neither "shocking" nor "neglect"

I suggest we don't continue with this conversation since Ewa Nguyen, the deceased's mother does read things online about it and she is after all a bereaved mother.


No, and wouldn't like to be. It does appeal to some though.

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There isn't a police investigation though, is there. The matter is closed. And less of the ":D" crap. It is disrespectful.




Are you single by any chance?

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There you go again.


"Open his mouth"????

You assume it's a police matter.


As you've been told several times already, all Death Certificates contain the cause of death.

Calm down and stop arguing for the sake of it. It makes you look foolish and given that this is about someone who died, disrespectful too.

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I just watched the Polish entry again. It was painful to see.

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It's on the Death Certificate in black and white. The next of kin has a copy.


So what? It's what the police and Coroner think that counts.


I'm reading your depressing hectoring and it's offensive rubbish.

And yes, you are perpetuating her grief by writing crap online.

The matter has been investigated fully.

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According to your online article.


She certainly reads anything she can find about it online you argumentative stirrer.


Probably not the best way to go.

It's a tragic death which appears to be of natural causes. That is doubtless the worst thing to happen to the woman's mother in her life. It must be very hard for anyone to accept.

As mentioned here, the procedures around sudden deaths are rigorous. The Death Certificate contains the cause of death. If it appears in any way suspicious, the police have to act. Evidently it is not suspicious.

Bringing up online conspiracies about it on an internet forum just perpetuates the mother's pain.

Food / Polish cakes made in Poland [115]


I had one that wasn't shiny or crispy. It was just wrong.

But yes, separating them to eat is always the best way!


I didn't know they were from Ireland. They make cream crackers too. Out of fashion a bit but still good.

And Club biscuits were theirs too. Nowadays it probably belongs to a huge conglomerate who make them wherever.


Sadly very true.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [286]


All Death Certificates contain the cause of death.


So someone claims a neighbour said something about the state of a corpse that had been dead for days.

Rather than trot out things you've read online, perhaps show a bit of decency and don't perpetuate a mother's grief.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [286]

A quick look online shows a comment from the woman's mother. She was informed by the Coroner that the bruises occurred while the body was being moved.

She does not however mention the cause of death which is on the Death Certificate. Nor does she suggest that the flatmates Aleksander and Lukasz were not interviewed. She does mention that the police and Coroner ruled out suicide and homicide and were satisfied that the death was not suspicious..

Interestingly, the deceased woman had to have an ECG test twice yearly which suggests that she had heart problems.


Cobblers. And the fact that you know about the issue in that small town suggests very much that it's in the public domain.


Death Certificates are somewhat more detailed than that.

You are clutching at straws and are insulting both the dead woman and the professionals involved.

The grieving mother is free to believe that everyone is lying to her without motive; this is not rare. Perpetuating her grief by posting nasty conspiracy crap online shows you up badly.

But you just like making arguments for the sake of it.

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By whom? A serving British Police Officer? I suspect not; he, she or they would certainly be fired.


He (or she) would't. That is on the Death Certificate.


Perhaps there were none.

Sometimes, the most likely explanation is the most obvious one. What cause of death is listed on the Death Certificate?

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As you were told, the cause of death is on the Death Certificate.


Girl? The woman's next of kin would be given this information after the post mortem and would be required to inform the BDM Registrar when reporting the death and obtaining the Death Certificate. She would need a hard copy of the Death CErtificate to arrange burial/cremation or to have the body shipped abroad.


The UK is not Poland and this is irrelevant. For such a conspiracy to take place, it would need to be multi-agency and involve many people of different professions.

If there's anything seriously amiss, there are procedures to deal with that; those procedures are probably the most transparent in Europe if not the world.

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A strange and pointless comment; also a spectacularly ignorant one.

Don't assume that all police are male. Nor do they make value judgements about people's lifestyles. 37% are female. Roughly the same percentage are univerity graduates.


You tell me. It's on the Death Certificate which the deceased's next of kin is given when reporting the death to the BDM Registrar and of course the Coroner's verdict is a matter of public record.


Feel free to think.


Evidently it isn't a "case". Has the woman's next of kin been in contact with the local MP?

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Not "healthy" if she's dead, and the police don't "explain" causes of death.

Perhaps there's a factor in this that both you and I are unaware of. The most likely factor is that the death wasn't suspicious.

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They have to if a case is brought to them.


She would certainly be supported by Polish speaking police staff. London does not lack Poles, including people who have moved there and are serving as police officers. She would also be entitled to support from the Polish Consulate.


The police don't. The Coroner does, and it is a matter of public record. Coroner's verdicts canot be concealed. And of course all Death Certificates contain the cause of death.


Do you think they weren't?

Food / Polish cakes made in Poland [115]


I was actually going to say those as favourite however sadly I never see them in the shops and haven't for a long time. As a kid, I loved them. Especially the light and shiny biscuit part.

At home, it was mostly Rich Tea or 'Nice" which I never much liked. Sometimes ginger biscuits which I did.

I've never seen Royal Scot though Kerry Creams sound very much like one on sale in the Middle East which is nice. They also have Lime Wafers here which are pretty good!