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Bratwurst Boy   
9 Feb 2019
History / Poland - problem for Germany? (historically continual hostility of German state on Poland) [154]

You should know that the pipeline is now very controversial in Germany too. There is no "us", it's mainly Merkel.

The number of german politicians who speak out openly against it is rising.

And yes, it's also a question of solidarity. It's nuts to ask Poland and other to help us out with the refugees and otherwise showing them the finger when its about our interests only and totally disregarding theirs. That's undermining every kind of good will inside the EU.
Bratwurst Boy   
6 Feb 2019
News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

And yes, they do have a welfare system but it's minimal when compared to other Western European nations.

Are you sure?

Switzerland's AHV program is an income-replacement system for elderly citizens unable to work or their survivors. This system is funded via income taxation and redistributed to recipients to ensure the individual's ability to afford subsistence.[5] Disability insurance is similarly provided to those unable to work due to birth defect, disease or accident.[6] Family allowances are distributed to Swiss families by the government to compensate for the costs of raising children. Each child rates an individual family allowance package.[7]

That sounds well rounded....
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]

I haven`t tried ultra nationalist German sites, then it might be different.

Surely it will be different. One thing all nationalists have in common, the hate of other nations!

As long as they are on the fringe margins one can ignore them...its when they gain power and come to rule is when it gets dangerous.
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]

does nothing ever come from the heart?

Huh?

As compared to "I KNOW people X hates people Y because some Z people I know said so?"

Yes, I prefer stats to that! :)

Join Pawian in his insect theory then.

So...you really believe any individual on his/her own would be more successful than a network of people supporting each other?
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]

Yet, the time works to our advantage. The young generation of Poles is mostly EU-sceptical.

I have another survey, saying the contrary...especially about young people across the EU (including Poland):

New research indicates that young people in Britain, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Poland and Spain are, by varying degrees, not inclined to embrace populist positions, nor would they support their country leaving the bloc if they had a chance to vote on it....

dw.com/en/young-europeans-believe-in-the-eu-fear-donald-trump/a-43628425

dw.com/image/43628301_401.png

Asked to vote on whether their country should leave the European Union, 71 percent of young Europeans said "no," an increase over last year when 61 percent said they would opt to remain

...the Youth Europe 2018 study, carried out by YouGov on behalf of the TUI Foundation, found.

Question: How would you vote if a referendum on leaving the EU were held tomorrow?

Poland:
68% should stay
17% should leave
9% would not vote
6% don't know
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]

Individuals are the key,not colectiveism.

I disagree...a group of people with a common goal will always be more successful than the loner struggling for himself.

At one point sooner or later he will need support, even better a network....
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]

from the borderlands to Wroclaw (breslau for you) things are fine, plenty of Polish German interminglings, tourists etc

And Spike reported in another thread about fat, sauerkraut smelling german tourists in Danzig...so, things are maybe indeed looking up? :)
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]

*nods*

Western Europe has had decades more time get on an equal footing. I'm looking at the relationship between another set of once-arch enemies, France and Germany. Decades of sending schoolkids back and forth put an end to that. Tourism, university-exchanges etc...that all did their job.

Today it is nigh unthinkable for modern Frenchies and Germans to go back to the old hate...maybe in a few decades in the future it will be the same between Germany and Poland.

It's easier to hate an unknown country than a real life person...
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]

Wrong? ...Even you know that a huge majority of the Poles is pro-EU. These polls even make the international headlines, your "polls" don't. Doesn't it make you wonder?

For your links I have to use Google translate and there isn't even a background to these "polls"...

And then there are real polls and surveys:

Support for EU membership reaches record high in Poland despite showdown with Brussels

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-eu-membership-support-for-membership-courts-rule-of-law-mateusz-morawiecki-juncker-a8149876.html

Germany no longer seen as 'threat' in Poland: poll

politico.eu/article/germany-poland-no-longer-seen-as-threat-poll/

Majority of Germans and Poles want to focus on 'future,' despite fraught history, according to survey.

I would like to know, what do you think about Korwin-Mikke and his statements?
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]

and they would always be derogatory about East Germans, I don't have a clue why!!

The same reason why these people would make derogatory comments about Poles....plain ignorance. *shrugs*

Most of them never put a foot either into Ossi-land nor Poland...which leads me back to Tacitus' and mine main argument that this dislike stems from a lack of actual "knowing" besides hearing bad stuff about a PiS gov in Warsaw.

Germans like to travel around, but still mainly western and southern Europe. Abit more tourism eastwards would change things big in a good way...win-win situation.

Young generation of Poles has mostly right-wing and centre right-wing political views

I used Google to translate this page and it gave out such stuff like this:

...Interestingly, the majority of young people, despite their right-wing outlook, do not support the ruling party, or PiS. This should not come as a surprise, because this party has little to do with the pure right. Therefore, the young would be happy to support the Kukiz'15 group, as many as 27 percent of them, and 19 percent of Janusz Korwin-Mikke's party - Freedom.

That goes against all known surveys and Polls I know off. Korwin-Mikke is an absolute fringe outsider, even between polish nationalists. And what is "pure right"?

That reminds me more about another survey you posted a few days back...that 90% Poles are anti-EU or something like that. Also made by a Korwin-Mikke friendly party...

Frankly, I doubt that!

But I have to agree that it is the likes of Korwin-Mikke who make not only Germans shake their heads about Poland (if that is all they learn about the country and its people).

Korwin-Mikke and his statements like:

Polish politician says women should earn less because 'they are weaker, they are smaller, they are less intelligent'

During a discussion about what constitutes rape, he asked: "Raped, what does it mean raped?"

I frankly doubt that 66% of the young Poles would support THAT!
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]

The thread is about reasons why Germans might not like Poles.

The problem as I see it is that the Germans here at PF actually like Poles...me, Tacitus...Intermarium even thinks about relocating to Poland...

So it comes down to Poles (often not even from Poland at all) confirming each other about how much they dislike the Germans right back!

That leads to nowhere, I fear....
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]

Prerequisite factors for building a solid block of states in this part of the world without Russian or German meddling definitely exist.

Hmm...I doubt that.

The foundation of the V4 was an interesting step, the idea had alot going for it. But the reality shows they don't live removed from the rest of Europe on a happy island...
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]

....So he can publicly tap Putin on the back but in his Oval office he's still making decisions which hits Russia.

I don't think he makes any decisions to "hit" Russia...he wants to support US firms selling expensive LNG"s and as long as you buy from him instead from the rival you are a "goodie" in his black book...that's a small but important difference, remember "MAGA".

The same with the INF treaty....the Kreml won't be now anymore oblieged to keep to the treaty either, which opens the doors to a new weapons race.

"They announced that they are engaged in research & technological development work, and we will do the same."

edition.cnn.com/2019/02/02/europe/russia-inf-treaty-intl/index.html

How cuddly for all countries between them, right?

There is nothing pro-polish or pro-V4 or anti-russian about Trumps decisions. I wouldn't bet on him when the **** hits the fan...
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]

...and you totally avoided the core of my question, the sympathies by some of V4's members for Putin's Russia.

Russia doesn't want anymore US meddling in Europe, Trump seems to agree with that. So do the Russian-sympathizers in Europe....

I that regard the anti-refugee engine will run on empty very soon, as the quota-idea is now dead for good, and the numbers for newly incoming refugees are sinking lower and lower.

But the Russia-question still stands and will gain importance!
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]

Of course, this move is against both: Russian and German interests and they'll do anything to stop it, but with the US backing we can make it happen.

What about V4 generally? Do you think it is viable in the long run, with it's members split on Russia? How should any US backing solve that?
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]

If you don't know someone your likes and dislike are guided by stereotypes and prejudices.

Wise words! I would agree...

When you don't know anybody personally, all you have to fall back on are stories...
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]

What do you think the Germans in these surveys did? The reason why you started that thread....

Do you think disliking Poles is stigmatized in Germany?

Wouldn't that be rather cool (for Poles)? :)
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]

So...is that in truth about polish dislike of Germany?

Because I always ever meet Poles using the history as a reason to distrust/dislike Germans, never the other way around....
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Feb 2019
History / Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans? [140]

If one feels superior, it is natural to despise and dislike someone whom you deem inferior, in this case Poles.

IMHO it's the other way around....when you feel disrespected and don't get the attention you want and you think you deserve that's much more of a reason to dislike someone and call him "arrogant".

I really don't think you will find many Germans who will say they deem the Poles inferior! :)

PS: You can claim reasons 2 and 3 also for Greece (messy, unorganized, badly run etc.). But still many Germans like Greeks nonetheless and spend their holiday every year there to get fried in the sun.

I think that's the main reason, I agree with Tacitus on that. Poland as a holiday destination has surely room to grow and with meeting and getting to know each others the sympathies will rise.
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Feb 2019
History / What is Poles opinion on Intermarium (Międzymorze)? [188]

I'm not sure....I wonder about that actually.
Putin tries to break up the EU, he get's his claws into the V4, then into the Brussel-opposition of it's core members....he pays them, uses paid trolls, his RT and Sputnik propaganda etc......

What use is a hostile Poland to him? PiS is Brussels-sceptic...check...but that leaves Poland rather isolated in Brussels but not much else and his added hostility to Russia makes it not usable for the Kremlins goals actually.

Putin doesn't gains anything from a Poland which shoots to both sides...