Bratwurst Boy
3 May 2019
History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]
...."so much suffering", not all of it!
...."so much suffering", not all of it!
Bratwurst Boy
3 May 2019
History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]
I think, since nationalism has been responsible for so much suffering in the last century yes, there needs to be a differentiation.
Otherwise you leave it to the lefties who want to do away with any pride in country and people full stop.
Right thanks for that, so haters of others can be called nationalists (sometimes)
I think, since nationalism has been responsible for so much suffering in the last century yes, there needs to be a differentiation.
Otherwise you leave it to the lefties who want to do away with any pride in country and people full stop.
Bratwurst Boy
3 May 2019
History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]
He calls himself nationalist...
He calls himself nationalist...
Bratwurst Boy
3 May 2019
History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]
I differ....you are a proud Pole without hating me and my country Germany...for me you are a patriot, like me. We both want whats best for our countries, and we would like to achieve that together....and have a beer afterwards.
But someone like Spike for example can't help hating me and my country and would love for Poland to fight Germany again, for him both countries are not equal, Poland is so much better and Germany just sucks, the Germans (all 80 million of them) suck, he is a bonafide nationalist. He would end all cooperation rather today than tomorrow.
There lies the difference, an important difference, it's just not the same!
for me Polish nationalist = patriot.
I differ....you are a proud Pole without hating me and my country Germany...for me you are a patriot, like me. We both want whats best for our countries, and we would like to achieve that together....and have a beer afterwards.
But someone like Spike for example can't help hating me and my country and would love for Poland to fight Germany again, for him both countries are not equal, Poland is so much better and Germany just sucks, the Germans (all 80 million of them) suck, he is a bonafide nationalist. He would end all cooperation rather today than tomorrow.
There lies the difference, an important difference, it's just not the same!
Bratwurst Boy
3 May 2019
History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]
Nationalism has gotten a bad rep, because of history...but deservedly so.
That's why there is the alternative of patriotism. I can be proud of my country and want the best for it without hating another one and want that to suffer....
Nationalism has gotten a bad rep, because of history...but deservedly so.
That's why there is the alternative of patriotism. I can be proud of my country and want the best for it without hating another one and want that to suffer....
Bratwurst Boy
3 May 2019
History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]
Why?
Can't you be proud of your country without denigrating and fighting others?
Patriots can work together with other patriots to the best advantage of all, nationalists can't and won't....it's always "Us vs Them".
patriotism is impossible without nationalism
Why?
Can't you be proud of your country without denigrating and fighting others?
Patriots can work together with other patriots to the best advantage of all, nationalists can't and won't....it's always "Us vs Them".
Bratwurst Boy
2 May 2019
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]
How so?
Because as I see it...the EU will only then break apart when all it's member states are taken over by nationalists.
Now I would want to see trade negotiations between a bunch of hostile nationalist governments....then it's back to the old pecking order, the bigger ones trampling down on the smaller ones, who have to take what is being offered. (Not really negotiations between equals).
That's my opinion, you must have a different outlook or you wouldn't follow that path and wish for it to come true. So please, explain it to me...
Where do you see Poland?
or we can destroy it from within and create a new trade agreement on its ashes.
How so?
Because as I see it...the EU will only then break apart when all it's member states are taken over by nationalists.
Now I would want to see trade negotiations between a bunch of hostile nationalist governments....then it's back to the old pecking order, the bigger ones trampling down on the smaller ones, who have to take what is being offered. (Not really negotiations between equals).
That's my opinion, you must have a different outlook or you wouldn't follow that path and wish for it to come true. So please, explain it to me...
Where do you see Poland?
Bratwurst Boy
22 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
Do you remember how Greece looked like before the EU membership? They used donkeys on dusty streets...till 1974 they were ruled by a military junta ffs.
Without the EU and the EURO they would still look like this! They don't need anybody to be corrupt and a failed state.
They couldn't be so successfully corrupt in a vacuum
Do you remember how Greece looked like before the EU membership? They used donkeys on dusty streets...till 1974 they were ruled by a military junta ffs.
Without the EU and the EURO they would still look like this! They don't need anybody to be corrupt and a failed state.
Bratwurst Boy
22 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
*nods and follows Dolno into the next pub*
Bye
*nods and follows Dolno into the next pub*
Bratwurst Boy
22 Apr 2019
Bratwurst Boy
21 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
Wessis make jokes like that about us Ossis too, you know.....
Wessis make jokes like that about us Ossis too, you know.....
Bratwurst Boy
21 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
Isn't that what the Single Market is for? :)
Germans will continue to build factories in Central Europe
Isn't that what the Single Market is for? :)
Bratwurst Boy
21 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
What do you mean with "it doesn't exist"?
That 1953 agreement doesn't exist.
What do you mean with "it doesn't exist"?
Bratwurst Boy
21 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
The so called "Prussian trust" and the west german Vertriebenenverbund was actually a big feared thing back then in Poland. Hence the urge to get that treaty about the Oder-Neisse-Border officially done...I remember weakly...
The so called "Prussian trust" and the west german Vertriebenenverbund was actually a big feared thing back then in Poland. Hence the urge to get that treaty about the Oder-Neisse-Border officially done...I remember weakly...
Bratwurst Boy
21 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
Everybody who supports such claims supports also populists, they are fattening their numbers. Keeping old grievances with their neighbours alive with purpose has only nationalist reasons and is only supported by people who would love to throw every unity which has been achieved in the last decades happily under the next bus.
I'm suprised to find you in their corner Jon...
Everybody who supports such claims supports also populists, they are fattening their numbers. Keeping old grievances with their neighbours alive with purpose has only nationalist reasons and is only supported by people who would love to throw every unity which has been achieved in the last decades happily under the next bus.
I'm suprised to find you in their corner Jon...
Bratwurst Boy
21 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
It has all to do with the reparations....Poland didn't put a claim up then and now its to late. This conference in 1990 was the time and place to do it, the polish government wanted the Oder-Neisse-Border secured and they got it.
There was no other demand and then it was settled for good. THAT was the polish-german treaty which cleared the last questions. Money wasn't part of it. Done!
Yet, it has nothing to do with war reparations.
It has all to do with the reparations....Poland didn't put a claim up then and now its to late. This conference in 1990 was the time and place to do it, the polish government wanted the Oder-Neisse-Border secured and they got it.
There was no other demand and then it was settled for good. THAT was the polish-german treaty which cleared the last questions. Money wasn't part of it. Done!
Bratwurst Boy
21 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
But I did that already...
un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/DEU-POL1990CF.PDF
PS: Poland never lodged any formally demand, even as they bring it up again and again, and my guess is they never will....it's useless...it's all only hot air for people like you!
Again show me your seriousness and ask Moscow for reparations...for their own and a share of the german ones...
Till then, I will file it under dishonest and hypocritical, so forget about it!
But I did that already...
un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/DEU-POL1990CF.PDF
PS: Poland never lodged any formally demand, even as they bring it up again and again, and my guess is they never will....it's useless...it's all only hot air for people like you!
Again show me your seriousness and ask Moscow for reparations...for their own and a share of the german ones...
Till then, I will file it under dishonest and hypocritical, so forget about it!
Bratwurst Boy
21 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
Love you too Iron, but that "jabbing" really happens only in these forums where some can't help themselves and bring this topic regularly back on the table.
Internationally nobody jabs (beside eye rolls and head shakes and some groans inbetween)
1953 reparations were decided. 1990 was the day all rest demands was talked over and were decided...Poland got its Oder-Neiße-Border, Greece didn't show up and that was that then...
A few years later Poland (not having any open disputes anymore with other EU members) became member of the EU and the rest is history.
Nobody could have someone like K. many years later on the radar...but there is really no way for him and his friends to breath any life in that dead horse...it is dead and stays dead!
It makes you both funny, BB in a nice way
Love you too Iron, but that "jabbing" really happens only in these forums where some can't help themselves and bring this topic regularly back on the table.
Internationally nobody jabs (beside eye rolls and head shakes and some groans inbetween)
1953 reparations were decided. 1990 was the day all rest demands was talked over and were decided...Poland got its Oder-Neiße-Border, Greece didn't show up and that was that then...
A few years later Poland (not having any open disputes anymore with other EU members) became member of the EU and the rest is history.
Nobody could have someone like K. many years later on the radar...but there is really no way for him and his friends to breath any life in that dead horse...it is dead and stays dead!
Bratwurst Boy
21 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
There is, in the accession protocol....."no running conflicts with neighbours" :)
There must an EU clause somewhere that prohibits members states from suing each other for the events prior to joining.
There is, in the accession protocol....."no running conflicts with neighbours" :)
Bratwurst Boy
20 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
So we are all lucky in that regard! :)
But I'm fairly sure would you become elected prez of Poland you would very soon learn that nothing is that easy as it first sounds. In consequence you would have to bin most of your election promises/threats immediately after taking office and coming round to the thinking that maybe having good relationships with Germany is not a bad thing at all...happens all the time! :)
Serio, Germany is soo lucky I'm not in charge in Poland. :)
So we are all lucky in that regard! :)
But I'm fairly sure would you become elected prez of Poland you would very soon learn that nothing is that easy as it first sounds. In consequence you would have to bin most of your election promises/threats immediately after taking office and coming round to the thinking that maybe having good relationships with Germany is not a bad thing at all...happens all the time! :)
Bratwurst Boy
20 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
Not really...actually only 2. The one who wants money and the other who pays it (or not).
I rather think PiS believes Germany as weak and soft, they try for their pound of flesh as long as they think they can get away with it.
Otherwise it is illogical why they don't grate on Moscows nerves too at the same time. They fear Russia more than Germany...
It's abit schizophrenic....Germany is an partner and an ally, a good, peaceful neighbour, sharing most unions and treaties...so they look for any things to pelt Germany with.
Russia is feared and depised, hated even...seen as an enemy....not a bad word from Warsaw, and for sure no demands!
Maybe Germany should become abit harsher? :)
That issue has more levels to it.
Not really...actually only 2. The one who wants money and the other who pays it (or not).
I rather think PiS believes Germany as weak and soft, they try for their pound of flesh as long as they think they can get away with it.
Otherwise it is illogical why they don't grate on Moscows nerves too at the same time. They fear Russia more than Germany...
It's abit schizophrenic....Germany is an partner and an ally, a good, peaceful neighbour, sharing most unions and treaties...so they look for any things to pelt Germany with.
Russia is feared and depised, hated even...seen as an enemy....not a bad word from Warsaw, and for sure no demands!
Maybe Germany should become abit harsher? :)
Bratwurst Boy
20 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
It get's boring...there are just no new arguments or facts or anything else what would demand a re-consideration. It's done!
Greece wasn't even part of the treaty talks in 1990, they even get less from Germany as in:
"*shrug*
Your fault that you weren't even there. You failed to put in your demands then, now it's to late. Sorry!"
It get's boring...there are just no new arguments or facts or anything else what would demand a re-consideration. It's done!
Greece wasn't even part of the treaty talks in 1990, they even get less from Germany as in:
"*shrug*
Your fault that you weren't even there. You failed to put in your demands then, now it's to late. Sorry!"
Bratwurst Boy
20 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
*sigh*
bgbl.de/xaver/bgbl/start.xav#__bgbl__%2F%2F*%5B%40attr_id%3D%27bgbl253s0331.pdf%27%5D__1555800148125
You could find it all by yourself, you know...don't play daft!
It began in 1953 in London and ended 1990 in Berlin as also Poland subscribed to make the after-war Oder-Neiße-Border officially and acknowledged for good by Germany.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oder-Nei%C3%9Fe-Grenze#Die_Oder-Nei%C3%9Fe-Grenze_als_Grenze_zwischen_Deutschland_und_Polen
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_Border_Treaty
un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/DEU-POL1990CF.PDF
You really want to resuscitate that old dead horse?
I asked for links to government sites with photocopies of sufficient documents
*sigh*
Gesetz betreffend das Abkommen vom 27. Februar 1953 über deutsche Auslandsschulden
bgbl.de/xaver/bgbl/start.xav#__bgbl__%2F%2F*%5B%40attr_id%3D%27bgbl253s0331.pdf%27%5D__1555800148125
You could find it all by yourself, you know...don't play daft!
It began in 1953 in London and ended 1990 in Berlin as also Poland subscribed to make the after-war Oder-Neiße-Border officially and acknowledged for good by Germany.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oder-Nei%C3%9Fe-Grenze#Die_Oder-Nei%C3%9Fe-Grenze_als_Grenze_zwischen_Deutschland_und_Polen
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_Border_Treaty
un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/DEU-POL1990CF.PDF
You really want to resuscitate that old dead horse?
Bratwurst Boy
20 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
And aslong as some nutters only always claim reparations from Germany and not from Russia likewise too, the whole thing just smells rotten anyhow....
And aslong as some nutters only always claim reparations from Germany and not from Russia likewise too, the whole thing just smells rotten anyhow....
Bratwurst Boy
20 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
Just in case you missed it the first 325 rounds before:
"According to a statement made by the German government on the issue, the reparations issue was resolved in 1953 as Poland declined receiving any payments from Germany."
That is the one and only answer Poland will ever get. Believe me...and come another election with K. and his followers slowly dying out that all will also fall into the fog of long gone history.
I'm sure you will provide links to those "subscribed treaties"?
Just in case you missed it the first 325 rounds before:
"According to a statement made by the German government on the issue, the reparations issue was resolved in 1953 as Poland declined receiving any payments from Germany."
That is the one and only answer Poland will ever get. Believe me...and come another election with K. and his followers slowly dying out that all will also fall into the fog of long gone history.
Bratwurst Boy
20 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
Sure....it wouldn't be the first time...this topic pops up regularly....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations#Poland
There has been compensations, there has been treaties...if Poland today wants to disrespect them then everything else will to...then Silesia needs to be re-negotiated not to mention the billions of EU-funds pouring into Poland...not to mention opening up an interesting case for others who have historical beef with Poland.
It's a two-sided sword and in Europe nearly everybody can play that game!
So, nobody will do anything about it...only nutters on some internet forum or politicians hoping to win some brownie points with a small portion of the electorate for domestic reasons.
That is not really a topic any longer at all!
Sure....it wouldn't be the first time...this topic pops up regularly....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations#Poland
There has been compensations, there has been treaties...if Poland today wants to disrespect them then everything else will to...then Silesia needs to be re-negotiated not to mention the billions of EU-funds pouring into Poland...not to mention opening up an interesting case for others who have historical beef with Poland.
It's a two-sided sword and in Europe nearly everybody can play that game!
So, nobody will do anything about it...only nutters on some internet forum or politicians hoping to win some brownie points with a small portion of the electorate for domestic reasons.
That is not really a topic any longer at all!
Bratwurst Boy
18 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
But reparations have, especially if there has been compensations and subscribed treaties about it...
But reparations have, especially if there has been compensations and subscribed treaties about it...
Bratwurst Boy
18 Apr 2019
News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]
@Weimarer
That means nothing for Germany....be it Greece or Poland such actions are meant for the home population, for domestic reasons only like an upcoming election battle...to seduce possible voters with a show of dicks...
Once that is over that reparation demand is forgotten like any other pre-election promise! It's a game...
@Weimarer
That means nothing for Germany....be it Greece or Poland such actions are meant for the home population, for domestic reasons only like an upcoming election battle...to seduce possible voters with a show of dicks...
Once that is over that reparation demand is forgotten like any other pre-election promise! It's a game...
Bratwurst Boy
23 Mar 2019
History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]
I call it Germolia...my polish friend prefers Gerpolia...so the decision on the name is still out! :)
Isn`t it so already? :) Or, it isn`t yet, if you mean the full unification.... :):)
I call it Germolia...my polish friend prefers Gerpolia...so the decision on the name is still out! :)
Bratwurst Boy
23 Mar 2019
History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]
Now THAT is nice! Thats how I would like to see our both countries...
Now THAT is nice! Thats how I would like to see our both countries...