Poland and World War 2 -- Many history books prior to the wars end

@GefreiterKania
Oh I'll forgive him no worries. Just so tiring with both criticism coming from both Germans and Russians complaining about Polish vices that amount to what excactly? Berteza Kartuzka? The scope and volume is extremely different. Not to mention the proportions and their effect. Yet it seems they try to find justification for their vices, yet there is no issue finding Poles who would agree that those Polish vices were bad and shouldn't have happened.

Not being able to take responsibility for crimes performed, that can be blamed on the nation as a whole IS a problem for Polish relationship with both Germany as Russia

I only used that link to point to the original report that started a whole new joint project of Polish and German scientists looking into that subject. They came up with a much higher number afterwards. The Bloody Sunday is not only restricted to victims in the city, by the way, but also incorparates the surrounding areas as far north as Więcbork Wyrzysk to the west, and Toruń in the east. Nakło was another hotspot for violence against ethnic Germans who had CHOSEN to become Polish citizens and stay in Poland after 1921. Look up "Optanten" to understand the background, unless you know it already.


No comparison to Stalin and Hitler; of course not. But what happened during the ethnic cleansing of Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia wasn't for the light-hearted either. So many victims. What I'm saying is that Poland or any other nation cannot claim the moral high ground when they committed the same or similar crimes as their hated opponent. "We had the right to bomb Dresden and Hamburg because the Germans did it first", said the Brits. "We had the right to treat Germans civilians like animals and kill hundreds of thousands of them in the process because they did it to us first", claimed the Poles. It's understandable from a human perspective, but go down that path and you will not earn any respect as a nation.

My hope still is that all this sick hatred fades away one day and people will finally get along with each other. Unfortunately, the tide seems to have turned recently. My country is so divided at the moment that liberals and conservatives are pretty much at each others' throat. Germany in the early 1930s comes to mind.


Read the definition again, especially the part about "to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations." Poles don't give a fu*ck about others at all? No empathy if it's to the advantage of Poland? I'm having a very hard time to believe that.

Forgot to ask. What is the Polish definition of a nationalist?

You sound like the typical insane East European meathead.


Okay, what moral stance does Poland have to demand reparations for WW2 from Germany after almost 80 years?

@Pawloff
« Okay, what moral stance does Poland have to demand reparations for WW2 from Germany after almost 80 years?»

Read up on Poland's history 1945-1989
Maybe that will give you a clue?

Your reading comprehension skills suck. Ironside said that we shouldn't mention something that happened a long time ago, and now you are telling me it's okay to talk about German and Russian atrocities but it's not okay to talk about Polish ones? How about this? Poland stole 1/3 of German territory, illegally annexed the Free City of Danzig and was responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians, and your politicians have the audacity to demand reparations? Eff them.

I'm holding a mirror to your face, in case you don't get it. So no need to tell me about the Soviets who were ultimately responsible, or that Germany and Poland signed several treaties regarding this topic.

@Pawloff
I am just bewildered about your audacity to complain about anything that was done by the Polish side AND adding situations and events created or were a consequence of German or Soviet actions.

You have a problem with Poland's existance or something? You have a problem with a boxer punching you back after shooting at him?