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Royal Family still in Poland?

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4 Apr 2010  #1

Is there a polish royal family or heir to the throne or to be elected?

Just wondering or even if there were descendants of royal families still in Poland with influential controls?

thanks

Doing a history report :)

Riley

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4 Apr 2010  #2

Nope, there are a lot of rather poor ( have one palace or two) aristocrate familles in Poland but royal rather not.
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4 Apr 2010  #3

Thanks :),

I remember reading Poland had an elected king? but that was awhile back, no queen? I know that Poland use to have women kings? Who was the last, there isn't much history publish for Polish history.

So the current Aristocrats don't have much political powers?

Do you live in Poland by any chance?
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4 Apr 2010  #4

I remember reading Poland had an elected king?

Our kings were ellected from XIV century to XVIII century. We were vote fore them like now for president.( from 1569, earlier kings were elected by Senat ) But they were kings to their death.

We had 2 femals kings. Not quens but femals kings.

Kings had no power...
In XV and XVI century people ( nobilities) ruled the Country, in XVII and XVIII aristocracy had a big impact for country.

Poland is one of the oldest demokracy in the World

I`m Polish

btw where are you from?
OP RileyS Activity: 1 / 2
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4 Apr 2010  #5

Thanks alot for the info,

I'm from California.
aphrodisiac Activity: 11 / 2,465
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4 Apr 2010  #6

Poland is one of the oldest demokracy in the World

I though it was Greece.
jeden Activity: - / 257
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4 Apr 2010  #7

one of the oldest =/= the oldest
king polkagamon  
4 Apr 2010  #8

We had direct democracy not indirect through parliament like it is today.But ancient Greeks had high IQ.Imagine that every citizen was a judge for one year.Is it today sth like that possible?Are many people able to be judges?Anyway.

But then came the Romans we were defeated and they brought their barbaric ways.
jeden Activity: - / 257
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4 Apr 2010  #9

IMHO romans had better view for demokracy
king polkagamon  
4 Apr 2010  #10

If you call Calligula democracy then maybe they had.
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4 Apr 2010  #11

We had direct democracy not indirect through parliament like it is today.But ancient Greeks had high IQ.Imagine that every citizen was a judge for one year.Is it today sth like that possible?Are many people able to be judges?Anyway.
But then came the Romans we were defeated and they brought their barbaric ways.

Direct democracy is great as long as there are ground rules. Avoiding mob rule is a good thing...
labhrainn Activity: - / 1
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22 Jun 2010  #12

There are also pretenders to the throne of Poland, supporting their claims with any of the following:

* descent from the Piast or Jagiellonian dynasties in female line (there are millions of people living today who can claim the same)

http://main2.amu.edu.pl/~rafalp/WWW/GEN/sukc_pl.htm
melinda  
17 Aug 2013  #13

too all answer about the polish rolay family , to the throne: "yes some of us would like to be state to alows us to be a part of the figure of royal families , ;but some of the families that are next in line dont want be be in that sistion , they dont know how to handly that presassage an should move over to let the next in line to come forward as "the royal family of poland princess melinda W,S thank you !!
jschladil1  
21 Oct 2013  #14

I don't know if this helps but my father, along with his brother, were approached by the royal family about taking his place as a duke in Poland back in the 1980's I believe. My Great Grandmother and Father came over around 1910 and lived in the Chicago area. Their last name was Potacky. I am not sure if I spelled it correct.
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21 Oct 2013  #15

Maybe Potocki?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potocki_family

sounds likely!
jon357 Activity: 53 / 10,844
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21 Oct 2013  #16

sounds likely

Sounds unlikely to me to say the least. Poland doesn't have a 'royal family' nor any other organisation except the state who are legally competent to issue or confirm the validity of titles - and the state don't get involved. They certainly wouldn't have in the 1980s, being communist at the time, and there wasn't a royal family in exile. Nor is the title of duke common in Poland.
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22 Nov 2013  #17

>Is there a polish royal family or heir to the throne or to be elected?

no last legitimate king of poland died cild less
and decease of russian tsars have no rights for claim on polish throne

*descendants
**childless

why wont it let me edit my posts?
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23 Nov 2013  #18

They certainly wouldn't have in the 1980s, being communist at the time

I'm surprised they didn't - could've been a great source of cash from gullible Polish-Americans willing to pay huge amounts to be given a title.
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23 Nov 2013  #19

On the other hand a head start for hypothetical Polish throne would have Czartoryscy or Zamoyscy. If Zamoyscy would get back their land they would be quite wealthy.
ladymelinda  
2 Sep 2014  #20

melinda safian
waladylaw are my brother an i are next in line as poland royal family my family has been tere since the 14cenetery an still there ;"let the courts of poland deside the vote many other counrty as a figer of state country !!!!Ś
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3 Sep 2014  #21

brother an i are next in line as poland royal famil

It was an elected monarchy so nobody is 'in line' to the throne. The throne by the way was abolished 200 years ago and none of the three regimes since has decided to re activate it. Nor is there any significant movement for that to happen.
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3 Sep 2014  #22

while I have no interest in restoring monarchy in Poland, and now nothing about it, at it's end Polish monarchy was to become hereditary, with the 3 May Constitution

The constitution also changed the government from an elective monarchy in its unique Polish variant to a hereditary monarchy. This provision was intended to reduce the destructive, vying influences of foreign powers at each royal election. The royal dynasty was elective, and if it were to die out a new one would be chosen by "the Nation". The king held the throne "by the grace of God and the will of the Nation", and "all authority derives from the will of the Nation." The institution of pacta conventa was preserved. On Stanisław August's death the Polish throne would become hereditary [...]

But restoring monarchy in a country that not only has 96 years of more or less democracy, but tradition of electing their rulers for few centuries isn't an idea anybody has.
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3 Sep 2014  #23

... at it's end Polish monarchy was to become hereditary, with the 3 May Constitution ...

With Napoleon promoting the grandson of August III, the aforementioned Frederick Augustus I to the title of Duke of Warsaw in 1807. The daughter of the latter, Maria Augusta, was earlier nominated by the 3rd May Constitution of 1791 as Infanta of Poland whose husband was to become the hereditary King of Poland (the Constitution uses the term "King of Poland" only without mentioning the term "Grand Duke of Lithuania" alongside as it abolished the dual character of the Polish_Lithuanian Commonwealth) if Frederick Augustus had no son.

Frederich Augustus had indeed no son and Maria Augusta never married, so the House of Wettin has no legal claim to a Polish throne, if any such is re-created, on the basis of the 3rd May Constitution.

We are bound to be a Republic. God save the (British) Queen!

And yet, the Constitution goes on declaring the right of the Nation to elect another House after the first dies out! And as the initial House did indeed (by the understanding of the Constitution) die out, we still have the right to elect another House (not a King! - this is the great difference to the former rule of electing kings) whose members will become hereditary Kings of Poland. So - I should think - anybody can go for this contest, just as for the Eurovision Song Contest, but only if they are members of a certain House.

[Dla czego Marię Augustę Nepomucenę, córkę elektora, za infantkę Polską deklarujemy, zachowując przy narodzie prawo, żadnej preskrypcji [żadnemu ograniczeniu - Z.] podpadać nie mogące, wybrania do tronu drugiego domu po wygaśnięciu pierwszego]

God save the (Polish) King!

It should be noted that the Polish throne was never abolished 200 years ago, but re-shaped to become hereditary.
jon357 Activity: 53 / 10,844
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3 Sep 2014  #24

But restoring monarchy in a country that not only has 96 years of more or less democracy, but tradition of electioing their rulers for few centuries isn't an idea anybody has.

Exactly.

In any case, there have been three legally valid constitutions since the 3rd May Constitution, none of which make provision for any sort of monarchy or aristocracy.
bullfrog Activity: 6 / 612
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3 Sep 2014  #25

Thanks Ziemowit for this insightful post
melinda  
13 May 2015  #26

hello lady melinda, waladyslaw'Safian my family had lived there since 14 cenetery an fought in books i have read! an i have family sitll living there ,"but have goten no answer about my family once or being link to the Royal family in Poland are we ?? second question i have a 1st cousines "who thinkies we are Polish nobleily because she proclame her-self as a contesse,caroline"taylor'Waldayslaw'Safian 'Brownstone?? so "what give is this true about my family Waldayslaw"Safian are royla titels? so that would mena my grandfather Walter ,Waldayslaw"Safain Sr an my Father Joeaph,N.Waladyslaw"Safian was a Grand Duke an iam his daughter would make me a duchess??? answer me bk with information!!
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13 May 2015  #27

Frederich Augustus had indeed no son and Maria Augusta never married, so the House of Wettin has no legal claim to a Polish throne, if any such is re-created, on the basis of the 3rd May Constitution.


same happened with Polish Jadwiga, result of interbreed of two most powerful Slavic (ie Sarmatian) noble dynasties, Polish Piast and Serbian Nemanjic houses, what reflected interests of wealth and power flow on the Baltic-Balkan line. Jadwiga`s descendants, in any case, were doomed to extinct
melinda  
23 May 2015  #28

to jon354 LadyMelinda ,Waladyslaw'Safian
was inquiring if there was a royla family name michael or Walter .Waladyslaw'Safian that live in poland a ruld at ontime not that will want too i know quite well , ploand abillish Royla titles "But it would be nice a royal family to resent poland like the queen england??
Keres  
21 Oct 2015  #29

My Grandfather says that we descend from the Royal Family in Poland, but I don't know much into the History. He says it was my (23rd?) Great Grandfather who was King of Poland at the time. Too far back for me to look into the History. He may know more about it though than I do.

We live in the U.S. though, not in Poland.
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21 Oct 2015  #30

23 generations is a long long time (there are about 80 generations between people today and people alive at the time of Jesus). People of high status in Europe who were alive then have an awful lot of descendants of all nationalities, skin colours, socio-economic backgrounds, whatever.

One thing about claiming royal descent from Polish monarchs (I do myself, by the way as well as from royalty in several other countries including England and Scotland) is that there were several royal houses over the centuries, meaning several royal families and none of them with any sort of legal status today.

Another thing is the reliability or otherwise of family legends.

Nevertheless, there's a very strong chance that your grandfather's story has some basis in truth. That means nothing today in an official sense, and certainly doesn't mean that either of us are royal. It just means we have a nice story to tell and you should be grateful to your grandfather and other forebears and happy that the story has been passed down by them through the generations.




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