Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread

Knew. Back in Napoleonic times.


When I was younger, and didn't yet have allergy to all things French, I enjoyed the marching songs of French Foreign Legion (and even for a brief moment contemplated joining them). Luckily, it passed with time.

You are older than me. I still have time to enjoy the cultural exports of France.

Got any "Shorpy" style photos of Polish alpinists from the pre-war era?

Not in my current photo directory. If I come across any, I'll post them.

Another thing I'm curious about....

We had a youth counterculture movement in the USSR, in the period between late 1940s and early 1960s, called "Stilyagi" (stylish ones).

It was very American-inspired. Recently, a movie about them was made in Russia.

Attaching some photos below. Was there ever such a thing in Poland?

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Kinda like Italian paninaro movement in 1980s?

I'm not sure. As a kid/teenager I was a skinhead (not a nazi skinhead obviously - they wore black flyer jackets, but a nationalist skinhead - we wore green flyers), and everyone else who belonged to a subculture was either an anarchist, a punk or sometimes a depeche or a metal (depending on the kind of music they listened to).

You would have to ask Pawian about earlier times. I am not that old. ;)

Yeah, it was still the same when I was growing up.

Metallists vs anarchists vs skinheads.

@Torq

I was always fascinated by skinheads. Over here in USia they were mostly, if not exclusively, nazi-types. Big into the punk scene.

What music did you listen to?


Here the skinheads and anarchists usually rubbed elbows with each other. Metalheads only cared about music, girls, and beer.

Most skinheads in the US are certainly not "Nazi-types". I go to a lot of "skinhead" type concerts, and I can tell you.

Skinheads and anarchists rubbing shoulders, is also not entirely accurate. Anarchists don't rub shoulders with anyone - haha - it's kind of part of the ethos.

Too long to explain, but you must be older because even re: US what you are saying is not quite how it was or is.

'80's it certainly was that way.

That anarchists and skinheads rubbed shoulders because of punk music. Sometimes they rubbed shoulders the wrong way and they'd get into it, but such is life.

I have no idea what's going on in contemporary American subculture, but my life in the '80's and early 90's was "well-rounded" and I experienced these groups up-close and personal.

One more thing about Anarchists specifically...

You don't have anarchists like we have.

You have a bunch of nerds that sit and jerk off over their books.

Meanwhile most of our anarchists have been dying at the front for the past three years as part of their crazy brigades (read about their units).

These guys want experience with weapons and command and control so they can strengthen their organizations.

Your anarchists want to go to a Rage Against The Machine Concert.

Baranki Boże were my favourites as they were from my home town (Słupsk), but I also listened to all kinds of skinhead bands (Konkwista, Skrewdriver, Bohse Onkelz etc.).

Nazi skinheads and nationalist skinheads usually didn't get in each other's way (with certain exceptions) and "transfers" between the branches were not uncommon. We were crazy as f*ck then and, looking back, I sometimes wonder how we all survived into adulthood. However, paradoxically, all my former skindhead friends did rather well for themselves in life, whilst the neighborhood punks/metals got lost somewhere on the way. I suppose things like discipline, honour and testosterone are not such a bad combination for young men. And we got wiser with age as far as contempt for all things unPolish is concerned. ;)

@ Bobko

Hence, why I noted "here in USia".

In USia in 80's, both groups were just effed up youth looking to transpose their effed-uppedness onto the society they blame for their being effed-upped. That and they were bored.

These antifas punks are different. They are as you say. A bunch of muddle-minded pansies.


Haha..typically a potent force for good.

@AntV

In this current war, Skinheads and Anarchists play a big role for both sides.

In Russia, we have the "Hispaniola" regiment (more like a brigade, or even bigger, based on what is at their disposal), and Ukraine has Azov (former Donetsk Ultras).

These are the two skinhead formations fighting against each other, with multiple launch rocket systems and thermobaric weapons, instead of bats and brass knuckles.

Then we have various formations of so called "National Bolshevists", but in reality they are Anarchists.

I'm always amazed how things are different in different places.

Although I would have scoffed at any label placed on me, I had hair down to my a$$ and preferred metal over any other music. Most of the guys I was closest to back them were in metal bands, although I had a cross-section of friends.

It was the metalheads (and athletes) who ended up doing well. The metalheads had a work ethic, drive, and standards-they practiced hours a day to hone their musicianship. Whereas, the other guys were just pissed.


I prefer when they are given bats and brass knuckles. Another indicator that this war will wither be won by no one or won through attrition.

Hahaha - in the photos you showed me your hair style was more of a skinhead-type ;)

So you were a metalhead and I was a skinhead, and somehow we both ended up decent Roman-Catholic dads who wouldn't hurt a fly (well, unless the fly tried to hurt our families that is). :)

In my time, and for our group, metal heads (or metallists as we called them) were total fairies and romantics.

We loved to sh*t on them, and their girly ways.

Compare bald head, military boots, and total aversion to alcohol and narcotics... to long hair, denim jackets, rings, piercings, and gay music.

Metal heads were meat for the grinder.

Exactly! Baranki Boże even had a song 'Narkomańskie ścierwo' in which they advocated closing drug addicts in concentration camps :D

As for alcohol: beer was allowed, getting drunk wasn't.

Geez... it all seems like a hundred years ago in a totally different world.

*feels old*

Hahahaha! Those photos were after some rogue gene decided that my lion like mane that caused women within a 200-mile radius to ovulate needed to be neutralized and brought down to mere mortal status. 😄


And for that, I praise God and give him thanks!!! Someday when we finally have that beer in some Gdansk pub, I'll regale you with my conversion story.

Looking forward to it!

The same over here in 80's. Only difference is the skinheads and anarchists soon found they were actually the meat. At least half the metalheads (at least where I'm from) were also athletes.

Likewise, brate.

Might be up that way next summer to scout out some places.

105 Not Out: 2024

Bolesław Ostrowski, the last living veteran of 1st Polish Independent Parachute Brigade in the battle of Arnhem, celebrated his 105th birthday last week (on 4th July). And not a single birthday too far!

For he's a jolly good fellow,
For he's a jolly good fellow,
For he's a jolly good fellow,
And so say all of us!

Poland will never forget: 2024

The long-awaited monument of Ukrainian genocide on Polish civilians will be unveiled on 14th July in Domostaw (Jarocin County, Subcarpathia) close to Via Carpathia international road. The monument depicts a murdered Polish child pierced with Ukrainian тризуб.

Timing...

Damn.

That's a little too "on the nose" even by Russian monument standards...

Considering that the current ruling clique considers the perpetrators of those crimes to be heroes, this won't do much to bring Poland and Ukraine closer together.

No.

Refusing the victims proper burial so many decades after the genocide - that's a little too "on the nose".
Putting up monuments of all the Banderas and other Shukhevyches all over Ukraine - that's a little too "on the nose".
The monument in Domostaw is just fine.


Oh, no...

They should make a similar one, but turn the trident into a Z and erect in Kyiv.....

Polish Fiat: 1938

Staff officers of 10th Motorized Cavalry Brigade, posing with Fiat 508 Łazik.

Kyiv is not a russian city, so taking down statues of russian heroes seems kind of normal.... especially when russia does things like bomb cancer kids... do russians really think attacking sick children will make Ukrainians like them? That's a cargo cult!

Kiev, as many a Russian statesman has said over the centuries, is the "Mother of All Russian Cities".

It's second only to Moscow and St. Petersburg in the amount of top people it has produced (maybe second only to Moscow).

After the first capital in Novgorod, Kiev became the center of all Russian life.

What you said - is like telling Poles that Vilnius is a Lithuanian city.