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Polish patriotism - through the ages


Kashub1410  6 | 573
9 Jul 2022   #1


Here is one of the best patriotic songs sung by the Polish peoples army in my opinion. I like that it isn't too specific in it's text and great melody. Even tho it mentions villages and cities and fighting evil (which? Very obvious at the time) and from east to west, which was a very rare situation for us Poles to fight.

As an peaceful olive branch I thought I start with one of the most-pro Russian songs in the "album" of Polish patriotic songs.

Please add the ones you like freely!
Lyzko  48 | 10439
9 Jul 2022   #2
As everybody knows, my favorite Polish patriotic song (piesn ojczyznowa) is the Warszawianka.
mafketis  43 | 11931
11 Jul 2022   #3
Yes, do, but in off topic section

scr3w it then, anything to do with the war is of utmost relevance to Poland and if the mods don't want to understand that then I wont bother
pawian  226 | 27401
27 Jul 2022   #4
Hey, Kashub, how about your next history lectures in another thread? They are really interesting. Ignore azholes who criticise some language mistakes, like Novi.
Veles  - | 197
27 Jul 2022   #5
As everybody knows, my favorite Polish patriotic song (piesn ojczyznowa) is the Warszawianka.

The one from 1831 or the one from 1905? :)
Alien  30 | 7717
27 Jul 2022   #6
Is there any difference?
Veles  - | 197
27 Jul 2022   #7
Yeah, those are different songs.
Alien  30 | 7717
27 Jul 2022   #8
How different?
Veles  - | 197
27 Jul 2022   #9
Like between ABBA and Modern Talking - same genre, yet not same songs.

Plus, the one from 1905 has more covers in other languages with somewhat different meaning.
Alien  30 | 7717
27 Jul 2022   #10
I need more input to understand it.
OP Kashub1410  6 | 573
28 Jul 2022   #11
@pawian
Ive had some personal life problems lately, had to break up with my fiancee. Ill get back to it when I can
Novichok  7 | 11802
28 Jul 2022   #12
Hey, geniuses, what is "patriotism"? I mean what does one do (not feel or think - do) when one is a patriot. Voluntarily pays more in taxes? Shoots refugees at the border? Sings the national anthem before going to bed? What?
Veles  - | 197
28 Jul 2022   #13
Doesn't throw garbage on the street or in the forests for example, keeps things clean. Country is like a common yard, shared by many - a patriot is the one who can coexist and cooperate with others instead of behaving like vermin, responsible for broken windows, graffitis and destroyed benches.
Novichok  7 | 11802
28 Jul 2022   #14
Doesn't throw garbage on the street

That goes under what one does not do. A good point to start with is that one does not violate the laws and rules because one is not a pig.

graffitis and destroyed benches.

Based on that, Europeans are not very patriotic since every square foot in Europe is covered with graffiti. The place where I used to live in Warsaw used to be clean. In 2107, it looked like this...


  • graffiti.jpg
Veles  - | 197
28 Jul 2022   #15
That goes under what one does not do. A good point to start with is that one does not violate the laws and rules because...

Yes, pretty much. I'd say patriotism is basically caring for the place one inhabits. Therefore, it's not about ideology but about the mindset.

Based on that, Europeans are not very patriotic since every square foot in Europe is covered with graffiti.

People who are responsible for drawing graffitis aren't patriotic, since they do their best to turn the place into a shthole - but that's only them. It doesn't take everyone in the neighbourhood to make graffitis, it can as well be either one clown or a small circus.

Just because Joe is a hooligan, doesn't mean that everyone is. Responsibility for Joe's actions is on Joe.
Lyzko  48 | 10439
28 Jul 2022   #16
@Veles,
I was referring to the famous version sung in the film I'd mentioned.
Novichok  7 | 11802
28 Jul 2022   #17
Just because Joe is a hooligan, doesn't mean that everyone is. Responsibility for Joe's actions is on Joe.

The responsibility for the first act of vandalism is Joe's. All future acts are the responsibility of the society where Joe can continue vandalizing. In Singapore, there are no repeaters.

Just ask Michael Fay.
Veles  - | 197
29 Jul 2022   #18
@Novichok

Then everyone on the planet is responsible for the actions of hooligans and criminals who live in their areas? I'm sure those live in Singapore too.
Ron2
17 Dec 2025   #19
It's going to be interesting to watch propaganda in Poland, the US, and across the whole EU lecture us about patriotism - how our grandparents struggled to keep us free, how good it feels to be patriotic, and the sense of accomplishment it supposedly brings. Imagine getting crippled or dying for banks, big corporations, and politicians - what could be more noble?

But to make that narrative work, they must remove God from the equation, because faith and religion tend to make people calm and reasonable rather than angry and afraid. They need people to be scared enough to fight and protect the interests of the 1%. If you disagree, you are not patriotic.
Novichok  7 | 11802
17 Dec 2025   #20
Now, that was good, Ron...

The first act of true patriotism is to escape from where 1% can send you to death for "freedom and democracy" of some azzholes you have never met, and convince you that it's good for you.

That's science, man...The slogan factory produced many, but this one, still in circulation, takes the cake:

If we don't fight them there, we will have to fight them here.

Today, with the borders closed, it's not as irritating as under Biden.

It is still Euro's favorite...except that "we" means Americans...not us...you, Americans, are so good at it....we...not so much...

BTW, we still remember the run to Canada by those who decided that dying in the swamps of Vietnam was not a requirement in the US Constitution if you wanted to be a good American.
Lyzko  48 | 10439
17 Dec 2025   #21
Patriotism is a normal feeling. Nationalism though is something else again!
Ron2
17 Dec 2025   #22
I prefer nationalists over patriots because the first group doesn't give a f about politicians, but about the well being of their own people.
Lyzko  48 | 10439
17 Dec 2025   #23
However, "My country, right or wrong" isn't ideal either. To criticize one's parents or one's country doesn't mean one loves them any less
Ron2
17 Dec 2025   #24
At this point, Poland needs a mix between Józef Piłsudski and Roman Dmowski. Is there any emerging leader in Poland who resembles that combination today? Time will tell, but it's running out.
Lyzko  48 | 10439
17 Dec 2025   #25
Dmowski was an avowed antis-Semite, Ron, so that leaves him out!
Novichok  7 | 11802
17 Dec 2025   #26
Nationalism, though, is something else again!

What is it?

was an avowed antis-Semite,

What's wrong with being anti- anything?

I don't go to China to be anti-Chinese. When they flood the US, I have every right to be anti-Chinese.

Do Jews love every ethnic or racial group in Israel or just some?

Hey, professor, I am getting tired of correcting your bad English...Just had to add a pair of commas around "though".

Take a quick course, and you will feel better.
Lyzko  48 | 10439
17 Dec 2025   #27
Ditto
Joker  2 | 2716
17 Dec 2025   #28
Ditto

All that noise... reduced to one word. Noted.
Novichok  7 | 11802
18 Dec 2025   #29
Ditto

Ditto what? Commas? I know how to use them.
Lyzko  48 | 10439
18 Dec 2025   #30
To wiem, Panie Profesorze Przecinku.


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