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My theory about my family history - thoughts? Piatek surname.


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23 Sep 2015 #1
I realize this is a long shot, and is only based on my public school education's influence, but help me figure if this makes sense and where the holes are in my theory. Please be nice, as I said, I'm not particularly learned on any of this. (not like anyone here has ever been unkind, but it is an online forum, so there's always those trolls)

Anyways, getting on with it. My grandmother has traced our family lineage through the Piatek name to the mid-to-late 1800's and it seems to have dropped off. She believes the records were lost in the war (entirely probable, I know) but I feel like there could possibly be more to it. From my very light research, I've come to understand that the name Piatek was a possible name given when one converted to Christianity (if they were baptized on a Friday?) or a name possibly bestowed upon Jews in Warsaw (I didn't find much on that line). Our family is from the very south of Poland, almost to Slovakia.

From this, I'm wondering if the reason the records dropped off is because the last name was changed and our family was not "really" Polish?

Also I wasn't sure if a Roma family would convert to Christianity and change their name for safety during turbulent times, that was a theory of my mother's.

Thoughts?

**I'm going to add that this idea came about partially because my grandmother, great-grandmother, and great-great grandmother do not look stereotypically Polish, or Slavic at all for that matter. My father's side is Polish as well but they look very different, blonde and green/blue eyed. That may mean nothing, I'm not sure.
DominicB - | 2,703
23 Sep 2015 #2
Basically, any speculation that is not backed up with firm documentation remains vain speculation. And without firm evidence to the contrary, there is no good reason to suppose that your family was originally Jewish or Gypsy rather than ethnically Polish. Piątek is a rather common Polish surname.

Records become scarcer as you go back in time, and, in Poland, many did not survive the wars and the ravages of time. Paper is rather perishable even under the best of circumstances. For many, if not most people from 19th century Poland, the only records that would have been kept are church and civil records of birth, baptism, marriage and death, and of military service, tax assessment or land transactions if you are lucky. No documentation remains at all of many, if not most people from 1800 or earlier. It's not at all surprising that your paper trail ends in the mid to late 19th century.

Also, most Poles did not use surnames until about the time of the partitions, and even then, some families didn't until the early 19th century, and sometimes later, until they were imposed on them by the authorities.

This is even more true of ethnic minorities, not only Jews and Gypsies, but also of Ruthenian mountaineers who lived in the "very south of Poland, almost to Slovakia".

While it's conceivable that the name Piątek was given to or adopted by Jewish converts, it is also a name commonly used by ethnic Poles, and probably a lot more so than by Jews. Like I said, there is no particular reason to speculate on possible Jewish origins in the absence of compelling documentation to the contrary, which very likely may no longer exist, especially for the area you describe, which was forcibly depopulated after WWII. Many of the churches where records may have been kept were abandoned to decay, records and all.

My grandfather's last name is Piatek, which from what I understand simply means "Friday". Is that a pretty common last name?

PIĄTEK: Friday, the day someone was born or maybe converted to Christianity. Quite common in Poland with some 19,000 users.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
23 Sep 2015 #3
PIĄTEK:

Aren't Gypsies Christian to start with? Why would they have to convert?
Re the surname's origin, you should not overlook the toponymic option. Someone might have got nicknamed Piątek because he hailed from some such village as Piątek, Piątki, Piątków, Piątkowo, Piątkowa, Piątkowiec or similar.

There seem ot have been nobles amongst some Piątek descendants. For more info please cntact: research60@gmail
lori hall
25 Feb 2020 #4
My maternal great grandfather's last name was Piatek. he originally came from Galicia, Poland. Many fled Galicia in the 1800s people were starving and suffering there.


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