Maybe Wroclaw is too. If platinum blonde hair is "Scandinavian" then are Poles born with it somehow not Polish? Edit: thank you Pennboy. I seriously doubted that Poles were using the term "Scandinavian" to describe platinum blondes.
Really I would somehow learn that blonde hair is not blonde hair regardless of its shade in Poland.... I somehow doubt that. Did you learn to believe contradictory statements in Poland or did you bring your illogic with you from Scotland?
Well Dessie, do remember that the offer of an all-expenses paid year here helping people who need help is waiting for your anytime you want it. Why not come and learn a little about the country you claim to know do much about and love so much?
This has nothing to do with this thread, think carefully
Really I would somehow learn that blonde hair is not blonde hair regardless of its shade in Poland.... I somehow doubt that. Did you learn to believe contradictory statements in Poland or did you bring your illogic with you from Scotland?
You've already had it explained to you by several posters that in Poland, Poles will use "dirty blonde" to refer to a specific shade that isn't actually blonde. It's just the way that the language works - and if you actually spoke a word of Polish, you'd soon understand that you can't always apply the English way of thinking to Polish concepts.
I suppose you'll tell me next that "kominować" actually means "to combine something".
You've already had it explained to you by several posters that in Poland, Poles will use "dirty blonde" to refer to a specific shade that isn't actually blonde.
But they still call it blonde, because it is a shade of blonde, not because it "isn't actually blonde". Here in America we sometimes call it dishwater-blonde but we are not stupid enough to say that it isn't "actually blonde". It seems you need to be from the British ilses to make that inept assertion.
Wroclaw: 'dirty blonde' is a term used by english speaking Poles. dirty blonde = mousy
Wroclaw: i don't agree. light brown (mousy) is not blonde.
Wroclaw may not consider "dirty blonde" to be "blonde" but the people using the term "dirty blonde" which includes the word "blonde" in it obviously do, otherwise they'd say "light brown" or use another term that doesn't contain the word "blonde".
The mods are certainly watching this one, I'd wager.
Good then maybe they can do their job and remove Harry's off-topic post #411. This is a discussion forum with threads about specific topics and this thread has nothing to do with his offer to pay me to come to Poland. Harry should be suspended for constantly making this offer, which I have refused repeatedly, in threads that have nothing to do with charity work.
If platinum blonde hair is "Scandinavian" then are Poles born with it somehow not Polish?
Delph is partially right. Although all shades of blond are present amongst Polish people, dirty blond is far more common. However I know or have seen many Poles with true Nordic blond hair. Polish actress Julia Pietrucha could pass for a Scandinavian.
Wroclaw may not consider "dirty blonde" to be "blonde" but the people using the term "dirty blonde" which includes the word "blonde" in it obviously do, otherwise they'd say "light brown" or use another term that doesn't contain the word "blonde".
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Des. I know you've never been to Poland, nor do you speak any foreign languages - but let me explain something to you. What might be logical or sensible in English isn't necessarily the way people think in different languages. Concepts can be different in different languages - what might sound "odd" to us in English can be perfectly acceptable in a foreign language. The best example is with "ciemny blond" - which translates to the commonly heard "dirty blonde". It's not blonde - it's mousy brown. But they call it blonde because in Polish, the phrase is "ciemny blond" - which translates nicely into "dark blonde" - or the more common variant, "dirty blonde".
It's a fantastic example of where English speaking Poles have taken a Polish concept and translated it directly into English - and as Wroclaw has tried to explain to you, it's incorrect, but it's due to a lack of vocabulary. No-one is bothered by it, everyone knows what they mean - it's in common usage here, even among native English speakers - hence why I say that it's "Polish" because it is - the concept is very much dependent on the translation.
However I know or have seen many Poles with true Nordic blond hair.
They're not uncommon, sure - though thinking about it now - I know one who has stunningly Nordic-esque hair. A friend of mine (who..er...let's say has knowledge of this) confirms that it's natural, too.
Not that it means much really - I even know one Polish carrot-haired girl.
I've just found a picture of Emma Watson on a Polish website, being described as "ciemny blond" -
Quite clearly not by English standards, but clearly so by Polish standards. Different language, different place. Meaningless, except to those who deliberately choose not to understand this.
I wish all of my French teachers, and all of my Mexican friends, were in Poznan so that they could come over to your house and disabuse you of this supid assumption. How would you know whether or not I speak any foriegn languages ?
It's not blonde - it's mousy brown.
Perhaps to you, and Wroclaw, it is, but there is not an exact distinction between light brown and dark blonde. The boundary between the two is vague. Pretending that your own opinion about what is, or isn't, blonde hair is objective is just another example of your ......
light brown for Poles is dark blonde and other way around for Brits,different perception For Poles the colour is still blonde and for you it is not.
Wroclaw may not consider "dirty blonde" to be "blonde" but the people using the term "dirty blonde" which includes the word "blonde" in it obviously do, otherwise they'd say "light brown" or use another term that doesn't contain the word "blonde".
simple !
it stems from lack of vocabulary. mousy is a new word for many.
No, stems from different perception - for you it is one shade too far to call it blonde for Poles it is not!
in Poland the term swinski blondyn/blondynka (swine/pig blond) is applied.
Have you ever heard about platinum blonde ?the term your have provided is used by boisterous youth and not applied to females, especially attractive females.
For true, or 'Scandinavian' or whatever u'd like to call people with light blond hair, in Poland the term swinski blondyn/blondynka (swine/pig blond) is applied.
For blonde the term is blonde you blonde, or light blonde or platinum blonde.
No. Most German people are though. My whole family is polish and mostly everyone has brown hair and brown eyes or blonde hair and green eyes except for me. I have brown hair and green eyes.
Polish are a mixture of various physical types, but, in general, the skin appearance is fair, the hair dark blonde or light brown and the eyes green, grey, blue or green mixed with blue. However, it is hard to always pin point these characteristics as in the same family you may find brown eyed blondes or blue eyed dark haired individuals, height will vary too as well as head and nose shapes. It is a very diverse ethnic group evenly spread out all throughout the country.
My Boyfriend is Polish. He has dark hair, almost black. But blue eyes. I notice that most Polish people have blue eyes.
As for the Female features. I notice the girls have more of a square chin, and bigger noses! This doesn't mean they are horrible looking obviously. But they tend to have a more hooky looking nose. I have told my boyfriend this, and he agreed!
I am German and I would say that Poles are generally with light skin, light hair and coloured eyes. They are blonder in the areas where German influence was more, such as Silesia. It is a stupidity to say that Poles, Romanians, Hungarians and Bulgarians are Gypsies. They aren't! They are mostly with light hair and couloured eyes! This is just what the stupid British suckers and French cowards think(that those eastern europeans are gypsies)...because Sinti and Roma population from those countries emigrate to the West. Gypsies emigrate there mostly because those countries are RACIST with them, so they can't like them!
Poles have considerable "Germanic" ethnic background, more than many other Slavs, except perhaps for the Czechs. Some Poles appear Baltic, others more akin to darker-skinned Eastern neighbors:-)
Lyzko, You are right! Poles are one of the Slavic populations with a lot of Germanic influence! But I think the Czechs have a little more, because their entire country was in the Holy Roman Empire and then Austrian and Austro-Hungarian Empire. And yes, in the eastern part of Poland, people are a little darker because of the Russian/Ukrainian influence. Russians are not blond, the only blonds are those on the shores of the Volga where many Viking merchants came and in the northwest where the Swedish Empire was present. People look different in many parts of the country. For example in France, the only blonds are the Alsatians, because of their German heritage. In Hungary, blonds are not so present in the south part of the country, because of the Serbian and Croat influence. In the west part, they are almost everywhere because of the Austrians. In Romania, blonds are more in Transylvania(where the Romanian families didn't let their children to marry Hungarians, Gypsies or other ethnics because they are nationalist and Romanians being Dacians and a little Romanic preserved their blond heritage) and in Moldavia where there were NO foreign influence, so the Romanians keep blond. In the south part of Romania, people are a little darker because of the Turkish, Greek and Macedonian backgrounds. Also, there are a lot of Gypsies! Serbs are blonder in the north and east part because of the Hungarian, Romanian, German and Polish backgrounds.
As far as the original Russians, we all know therefore that Rurik was actually a Swede! Or vice-versa.
Poles typically have high cheekbones, coarse, rather than fine hair, and often piercing cobalt-blue eyes. Radek Sikorski, for example, exemplifies this type, although Duda (with light brown eyes and hair) also cannot to my mind be mistaken for anyone other than a Pole, if for no other reason, his facial bone structure:-)
Lyzko, It seems that you know the Poles very well. :) In fact, those are just stereotypes. For example, in Germany, everybody says that we are blond with coloured eyes but very few are still like this.I have ''dirty blond'' hair and green eyes. By the way, do Poles still hate Germans? And what do they think about Russians, Hungarians, Romanians, Czechs or French? :) I am just curious, because you know very well your country in comparison to other Poles that I have met. :)
One issue at a time there, Mirten! The Poles whom I met were happy to speak German with me when last in Poland, as my Polish was at that time quite rusty and nobody within earshot spoke a syllable of comprehensible English:-)
Elderly Poles (I speak now about gentile Poles only) might indeed harbor residual animosity, however younger Poles definitely do not. Certain student-age types I met claimed to dislike German owing to her perceived "difficulty", while other spoke it far, far better than English, and were the first to say so!
I am from Munich, Bavaria, but I have an Austrian grandmother(my mother's mom) and my paternal grandmother is from Sweden :) Also, one of my grandparents is German from Transylvania and came here after WW2. I am so mixed. :)) And you?
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