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Closed: (in advance) Is this how the Polish Forums gets paid by selling our cookies ?


johnny reb 18 | 3,778
28 Apr 2017 #1
In reality it's got far less to do with that than it has to changes to Google's algorithms meaning that text which is repeated lowers rankings.
If you've ever wondered how important Google rankings are to PF, google "polish american criminals" and see what the first five results are.

Which in essence gives Google a ton of our cookies to sell to advertisers so they can send us advertising.
So now we know how Polish Forums makes it's money thanks to Harry.
It's right in the rules so innocently.

VI. Google AdSense Advertisements
Google, as a third-party vendor, uses cookies to serve ads on this site. Google's use of the DART cookie enables it to serve customized ads to you, based on your visits to this site and other sites on the Internet.

You may opt out of the use of the DART cookie by visiting the Google ad and content network privacy policy at google.com/privacy/ads/.

"You may opt out", just did for my personal privacy sake.
Does that mean my personal cookies will stop being tracked from ever site I go to on the internet by the agreement Polish forum has over my membership ?

Just how much does Polish forums receive for the "customized ads" based on my visits to the Polish Forums ?
2 cents each ? 5 cents each ? 10 cents each ?
There surely has to be some compensation for such incentive. Yes ?
No wonder some people do not receive a permanent ban for blatantly breaking the same rules repeatedly......... because they post here twenty times a day.

Cha Ching Cha Ching ! $$$$$$
Can I use this for a tax write off as a it being an invisible contribution to the Polish Forum ?

Pigsy wants to know what would happen to the Google Rankings if we all quit using the words Polish or Poland and replaced them with "olish" and "oland" ? lol
OP johnny reb 18 | 3,778
28 Apr 2017 #2
Re-opened for comment.
Admin 32 | 1,529 Administrator
28 Apr 2017 #3
Based on your recent comments, you are completely unqualified to comment on technical or "Internet" aspects. My suggestion is to take a 101 Internet course, read about advertising cookies and why they are present on 100% of sites that either have some ads OR a link to Facebook/Twitter (for example); then you may come back with - this time - an educated message. Btw - logged users don't have any ads or cookies (look up a definition of: logged too).
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
28 Apr 2017 #4
Pigsy wants to know

One wonders why you're asking questions on behalf of your alter ego.
OP johnny reb 18 | 3,778
28 Apr 2017 #5
why they are present on 100% of sites that either have some ads

Because every time someone clicks on an ad the site gets paid a small amount.
Some sites sell information to advertisers.
Hell, why don't you just come clean and tell us why google rankings are the top priority for P.F.'s.

My suggestion is to take a 101 Internet course,

You think it would help me sending e-mails, reading the news or day trading my stocks ?

One wonders why you're

Many wonder why you haven't been banned permanently after repeatedly posting the real identities of other members while running many other members off here with your filthy insults.
Lyzko 24 | 6,787
28 Apr 2017 #6
If girl scouts can sell 'em and even make a profit off of 'em, why not PF?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
28 Apr 2017 #7
Many wonder why you haven't been banned permanently...

Boo hoo. Tell someone who cares, because I don't care and clearly Admin doesn't either.

Hell, why don't you just come clean and tell us why google rankings are the top priority for P.F.'s.

Because it increases the visibility of the site on Google. It's really not rocket science.
OP johnny reb 18 | 3,778
28 Apr 2017 #8
One wonders why you insist on pretending to be the Administrator delph..
Could it be your alter ego ?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
28 Apr 2017 #9
Could it be your alter ego ?

I'm surprised it's taking you so long to connect the dots, to be honest.
jon357 63 | 14,255
29 Apr 2017 #10
every time someone clicks on an ad the site gets paid a small amount.

google rankings are the top priorit

Is that actually so bad?
OP johnny reb 18 | 3,778
29 Apr 2017 #11
Yes and No.
No because it helps support the forum.
Yes because when google rankings become a priority and it allows people who sit home all day every day making 20 posts a day to keep the rankings up are allowed to (like Harry keeps saying) breaking the rules at will repeatedly yet don't get permanently banned for it like delph for an example of posting peoples personal identity repeatedly and still allowed back because he spend all day every day posting which helps keep the google rankings up.

Or how Lyzko refuses to stay on topic even after four warnings.
It was always my understanding that if anyone even did that once that they were out of here permanently but like Harry keeps saying it is apparently not true for a select few who ignore the rules without facing any repercussions.

I'm surprised it's taking you so long to connect the dots

It was a tuff one as your mental illness and alter ego are all tied into one.
Admin 32 | 1,529 Administrator
29 Apr 2017 #12
Regarding the title - 'we are selling your cookies.' - do you finally realize how ridiculous this statement is?
Regarding 'google rankings' - they rank websites based on: usability, speed, security, and content. Harry or you posting nonsense (like in this thread at least) is not helping in any way, trust me :
OP johnny reb 18 | 3,778
29 Apr 2017 #13
do you finally realize how ridiculous this statement is?

Yes, you win.
I guess after that there is no longer any hope of Harry and me becoming mods.

Regarding 'google rankings' -

Just about anything Polish that you google about, like Harry said, Polish Forums comes up first.
I think that is what he meant by google rankings being more important then the rules here.
TheOther 5 | 3,872
29 Apr 2017 #14
Just about anything Polish that you google about, like Harry said, Polish Forums comes up first.

That's simply not true. Just for fun, google the word "Polish". The first ten pages of search results (I stopped looking after that) don't contain a single link to PF even though "Polish" is part of its name. SEO for this site is pretty much non-existent. Look at the page source.
OP johnny reb 18 | 3,778
29 Apr 2017 #15
I didn't say Polish, I said just about ANYTHING Polish.
Give it a try and you will see that Harry is right.
Paulina 9 | 1,448
29 Apr 2017 #16
Wow, first of all, Harry, thank you for the info. I'm reading about those Google algorithms and now it all makes sense. And I really mean all of it.

I've been registered here for 9 years so I was able to observe all the changes to the forum. All the weirdest and cumbersome changes were made in more recent time, as far as I've noticed. I started wondering then - especially considering that Admin explains his lax attitude towards racist and all kinds of "phobic" comments by his respect for freedom of speech and apparently doesn't mind the vile and tiring abuse on the forum - why at the same time he's so "anal" about technical aspects of the forum - why he's making so ridiculously stringent rules which may put off less hardcore users from the forum. I simply thought that he's weird, that he's not entirely right in the head or sth. But now I've realised that it's all about Google rankings. I know, Harry, that you suggested in the past that certain posters (probably including you) are allowed what they are allowed to do because they write often and thanks to this PF goes up in the search results and I also suspected that. But only now that I started reading about this did I realise how much of what Admin does is geared for the purpose of being high in those rankings.

The first change that I recall was the links becoming "unclickable". I couldn't grasp why would any administrator of an internet forum make it more difficult for users to use links, especially that I've never seen anything like that being done on any internet forum, blog, site, etc.

So why this change? Why some links that may get broken in the future are such a problem in the Admin's eyes?
Because Google "penalizes" sites for broken links - their search engine results may drop.
Mystery solved.
Source: "6 SEO Mistakes That'll Make Google Hate You Forever" on smartblogger.com.

Apparently links from sites in another language may be a problem too according to an article "50 Reasons Your Website Deserves to Be Penalized By Google" on blog.kissmetrics.com.

An older rule about "not copying /plagiarising content from other sites" is also connected to Google rankings - "when a site has a large amount of content that is copied from other sources on the web" it gets targeted by Google's so called Panda algorithm.

Now I've also remembered that I had problems with preview feature when I had the Adblock Plus turned on on Firefox in 2013 (I made a thread about it in Feedback). When I was turning the Adblock Plus off on PF ads would show up. I switched to Chrome and then I had adverts on PF all the time. Now they've been gone for quite some time, from what I've noticed? Why? Maybe because of this?:

searchengineland.com/google-updates-page-layout-algorithm-go-sites-top-heavy-ads-183929

According to an article "Your Google Algorithm Cheat Sheet: Panda, Penguin, and Hummingbird" on moz.com "you also run into problems with duplicated content on your own site". So, it seems Harry is right - the new "3 quotes in one post rule" isn't really about the number of quotes, it isn't even really about quotes at all. It's about "duplicated content". It's the same with the 50 words limit in quotes. I remember when once I got really irritated by that rule and I simply copied and pasted a fragment of someone's comment and put it in quotation marks instead of quoting it as usual - as far as I recall my post got edited by a mod. So I guess this answers mafketis' question.

Also, I don't remember anymore in which article I've read it but another thing that boosts Google rankings is frequently posting new content, preferably every day. So this is most probably why certain posters get a free pass here.

Is that actually so bad?

It is bad, in my opinion, when boosting or preserving Google rankings becomes more important for the administration of a forum than the so called "user experience".

Btw, as far as I understand, all those Google algorithms are meant to increase user experience, not decrease it and to do that they penalize sites that are boosting their traffic in some artificial ways. If PF isn't doing that then what's the problem? Why is Admin going to such great lengths to avoid absolutely anything that could lower the rankings of the forum in the slightest way? For most of the time that I've beeen registered here quotes or links were never a problem and now suddenly they are. Maybe it's because PF isn't as busy as it used to be and Admin wants to make up for it in this way? If the answer is yes then I'm afraid it's not the right way to go about this...

It would be better to improve the quality of the content and the debate here rather than obsess over quotes, links or other technical aspects of the forum, in my opinion.

A good advice from smartblogger.com:
"Instead of trying to figure out how to manipulate the Google algorithm for better rankings, just create content that deserves to be on the first page, promote the hell out of it, and wait for Google to catch up. Their goal, after all, is to move the best stuff to the top of the pile."

And in case someone would like to read up about those Google algorithms:

moz.com/google-algorithm-change

Pigsy wants to know what would happen to the Google Rankings if we all quit using the words Polish or Poland and replaced them with "olish" and "oland" ? lol

I propose "Owland" for "Poland" and Owlish" for "Polish" ;D
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
29 Apr 2017 #17
Is that actually so bad?

No. Johnny must think that servers pay for themselves.
OP johnny reb 18 | 3,778
29 Apr 2017 #18
POP ! (did someone just hear a balloon pop ?)
Gee guys, I really didn't mean to open a can of worms but I guess the cat is out of the bag now after Paulina explaining perfectly (with sources) what Harry has been telling us for years.

My suggestion is to take a 101 Internet course

Thank you Paulina for the explanation to Minnie's method of madness.
You just saved me from signing up for a 101 Internet course.

Johnny must think

People with schizophrenia often hallucinate about what other people think.
mafketis 21 | 7,463
29 Apr 2017 #19
"POP ! (did someone just hear a balloon pop ?)
Gee guys, I really didn't mean to open a can of worms but I guess the cat is out of the bag now after Paulina explaining perfectly (with sources) what Harry has been telling us for years."

What surprises me is that anyone thinks this is new or novel? _ALL_ media is about selling consumers to advertisers, in any magazine or newspaper or TV you watch _you_ are the product delivered to advertisers.
OP johnny reb 18 | 3,778
29 Apr 2017 #20
What surprises me is that anyone thinks this is new

Paulina just enlighten people how Google ratings worked which I am sure was very new to your vocabulary.

Google algorithms are meant to increase user experience, not decrease it and to do that they penalize sites that are boosting their traffic in some artificial ways.

Excellent post Paulina as it answered many questions.
Long live Oland !
mafketis 21 | 7,463
29 Apr 2017 #21
"Long live Oland !"

We could pretend to be Arabs.... Boland, Bolish, Bo Bolsku, Boles etc
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
29 Apr 2017 #22
What surprises me is that anyone thinks this is new or novel?

I thought it was common knowledge, hence the tolerance of a certain amount of arguing on here.
Harry
29 Apr 2017 #23
Harry or you posting nonsense (like in this thread at least) is not helping in any way, trust me :

I hadn't posted anything in this thread until now, so please leave me out of it.

Anyway, you've just been trolled to the point of pwnage. The OP knows full well about PF and Google: it's why he once encouraged everybody to post about llamas and to include the word 'llama' in all of their posts.
TheOther 5 | 3,872
29 Apr 2017 #24
I didn't say Polish, I said just about ANYTHING Polish.

Give me an example, please. I don't see what you are seeing.

I tried the ones below (based on what is often discussed here on Polish Forums), and couldn't find a single link to PF except for the last one:

"Working in Poland" - nothing
Kielbasa - nothing
Warsaw - nothing
Jewish/ Jew - nothing
Nazi occupation - nothing
Katyn - nothing
Gay - nothing
Gdansk/ Gdańsk - nothing
Wroclaw/ Wrocław - nothing
Putin - nothing
Catholic Church - nothing
PiS - nothing
Polish girls - hurray, the first hits on the third page of the search results
Admin 32 | 1,529 Administrator
29 Apr 2017 #25
@Paulina - your 'research' has proven that Google's goals of good, useful, and secure sites are aligned with our goals. You are wrong on many of your assumptions (you will never become an 'expert' by reading a few mainstream articles on the topic). Either way, your conclusion is still clueless on the most important aspect - your point is that good, fast, useful, and secure sites are BAD, and Google should give higher rankings to bad sites - am I right?

With your 'I-look-for-conspiracy-everywhere' life, do you also complain when a supermarket you visit is clean and smells nice? (because that may suggest the owners are trying to attract as many visitors as possible to detonate a bomb at the right time)?
dolnoslask 5 | 2,560
29 Apr 2017 #26
Everyone here is getting a free ride.

Admin has to pay for his servers somehow, its not as if he is trying to rob peoples bank accounts.
jon357 63 | 14,255
29 Apr 2017 #27
Admin has to pay for his servers somehow,

Agreed. There are free or cheap forum hosting services, however they are usually very limited and frustrating to use. I have some experience with two platforms (yuku and proboards) and they can be a hassle. Whether or not Admin works in the field of seo or not is irrelevant. He provides a good forum, and we keep coming back so no need to whinge about cookies (which all websites use) or ads (which I never see anyway).
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
29 Apr 2017 #28
Admin has to pay for his servers somehow, its not as if he is trying to rob peoples bank accounts.

Exactly. If he's earning some cash from ads, it's really not an issue at all.

TheOther - now now, Polish American Criminals ranks highly on Google, as it should ;)
OP johnny reb 18 | 3,778
29 Apr 2017 #29
The OP knows full well about PF and Google: it's why he once encouraged everybody to post about llamas and to include the word 'llama' in all of their posts.@Harry

Where do you come up with such lies Harold.
Ironside 48 | 9,900
29 Apr 2017 #30
Much ado about nothing!
really?
Paulina you woke up after nine years - congrats.

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