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"Shale Gas Revolution" will make Poland a Leading Country in Europe!


SeanBM  
19 Mar 2011 /  #31
have a back up plan. You'll want to move away.

Have you any links or evidence supporting your suspicions on the dangers, please?
JonnyM  
19 Mar 2011 /  #32
You might check out the link to the study by Cornell in (I think) post #3.
PlasticPole  
19 Mar 2011 /  #33
Have you any links or evidence supporting your suspicions on the dangers, please?

Watch the movieGasland the evidence is there. It's not a propaganda film. It is a documentary about real life people in places with a lot of frack wells on them. See what happens when a place gets fracked. I live north of FT worth, Texas, did you know our air quality is always above regulated levels because of all the fracking wells in west Texas? The pollution just blows up here and knocks our ozone levels off the chart. How's that for proof?

scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=shale-gas-and-hydraulic-fracturing
Monia  
19 Mar 2011 /  #34
Cows cause more greehouse effects than people , who beleves anymore in myths sponsored by
those ONZ " so called " researchers who spread false informations in order to extract milions of $ for their doubtful work .

As geologists what they think about our atmosphere changes , and what causes this GH effect .
Bratwurst Boy  
19 Mar 2011 /  #35
I only hope the waste and pollution stays in Poland and doesn't cross borders...
Monia  
19 Mar 2011 /  #36
our air quality is always above regulated levels

come and visit Upper Silesia region , we already deal with such problems , I think they are even worst than you have got .
PlasticPole  
19 Mar 2011 /  #37
Cows cause more greehouse effects than people , who beleves anymore in myths sponsored by
those ONZ " so called " researchers who spread false informations in order to extract milions of $ for their doubtful work .

It's real people getting sick. Many of them live in western Wyoming, a place filled to the brim with natural gas wells..

propublica.org/article/wyoming-fracking-rules-would-disclose-drilling-chemicals

Monia, if your problems are worse, than why add to them? Why not insist the energy corporations do more to make the process cleaner? It's within their power and influence, they just don't want to be bothered unless someone makes them because it cuts into their precious profits.
gumishu  
19 Mar 2011 /  #38
I only hope the waste and pollution stays in Poland and doesn't cross borders...

Did Eastern Germany bother when they burned billions of tons of lignite in their power plants if the sulfur oxides and other toxic stuff crossed the border to Poland? I bet you know prevailing winds in our part of the world are those from the west
Bratwurst Boy  
19 Mar 2011 /  #39
Eastern Germany was a toxic catastrophe...here too people only thought about the resources and not about the environment. It stank!
Just now, 20 years after it starts to look nice again!

I really thought modern Europe got over such short sighted thinking...we are not in China.
But should Poland really profit that much from that shale gas they should give a share to their neighbours who suffer the consequences!
JonnyM  
19 Mar 2011 /  #40
I really thought modern Europe got over such thinking...

Most people have - but governments and companies rarely get over the numbers on the balance sheet. This is what will doom the shale fracking in Poland, when the compensation claims start to outweigh the financial benefits. Though fortunately most of the shale gas in Poland will be left underground and only the easiest bits will ever be extracted.
PlasticPole  
19 Mar 2011 /  #41
Eastern Germany was a toxic catastrophe...here too people only thought about the resources and not about the environment. It stank!

And that was when it was part of the communist Eastern Bloc, right?
Bratwurst Boy  
19 Mar 2011 /  #42
Most people have - but governments and companies rarely get over the numbers on the balance sheet.

Well..we have laws in the EU which should stop the worst from happening...
JonnyM  
19 Mar 2011 /  #43
And they will be very fast to use them. Though that's a worst case scenario, since most of the gas will be left untouched, as an 'on paper' reserve.
PlasticPole  
19 Mar 2011 /  #44
Well..we have laws in the EU which should stop the worst from happening..

Yep, those terrible regulations yet again...
Monia  
19 Mar 2011 /  #45
Why not insist the energy corporations do more to make the process cleaner?

I am sure our government will do everything to minimize the human costs of this undertaking . Also people in Poland are very sensitive to such matters , they are not easy and always question everything thinking there is double bottom .
PlasticPole  
19 Mar 2011 /  #46
As long as they are aware of what it entails before getting stuck in a situation like the folks in Wyoming. That's all the movie Gasland is about. Letting people know ahead of time what it might turn into so they can make informed choices.

What happens is someone owns the mineral rights while someone else owns the land. In Poland, the government would own the rights while private citizens own the land. The problem is, once the drilling starts, the property value goes down and it's very hard to sell. If you aren't making any money on the mineral rights, you are stuck with worthless property while someone else makes the decisions and profits. It's often impossible to move from such places unless the property owners have some money saved or can get a job elsewhere.
Monia  
19 Mar 2011 /  #47
But should Poland really profit that much from that shale gas they should give a share to their neighbours who suffer the consequences!

hahaha I told ..... already asking ........
cladd  
19 Mar 2011 /  #48
Shale Gas has the potential for providing Poland with greater control over energy security.

Concerns about shale gas developments need to be examined (without hysteria and hyperbole) and exploration and production companies need to be transparent in their dealing with the communities within which they operate.

Natural gas for Europe naturalgasofeurope.com provides a good overview of unconventional gas activities in Europe.
JonnyM  
19 Mar 2011 /  #49
Cladd's 5 posts, all of them on the matter of shale gas, and all reading like something from a press release.

* "Shale Gas Revolution" will make Poland a Leading Country in Europe!
* Will Poland Run Out of Russian Gas?
* German company may join South Stream. Why not Polish company?
* POLISH GAS RESERVES
* WHY DOES POLAND BUY GAS FROM RUSSIA?

Add that to the interestingly worded prose from 'Adam1976' and it looks like we're being trolled by some company's PR department.
hague1cmaeron  
19 Mar 2011 /  #50
[quote=JonnyM]Cladd's 5 posts, all of them on the matter of shale gas, and all reading like something from a press release.

* "Shale Gas Revolution" will make Poland a Leading Country in Europe!
* Will Poland Run Out of Russian Gas?
* German company may join South Stream. Why not Polish company?
* POLISH GAS RESERVES
* WHY DOES POLAND BUY GAS FROM RUSSIA?

Add that to the interestingly worded prose from 'Adam1976' and it looks like we're being trolled by some company's PR department.

Yep, looks a bit like a PR job to me. It's funny though because it draws on all of the old stereotypes like: RUSSIAN GAS and THE GERMANS.....be weary folks. lol.
JonnyM  
19 Mar 2011 /  #51
And a particularly ham-fisted attempt too. A few of the phrases 'they' used show up time and time again on the internet. If I were ConocoPhillips or Marathon or whichever other company has hired them, I'd want my money back very quickly.

The disturbing thing is that some corporate elements in this seem prepared to resort to subterfuge regarding shale fracking in order to pull the wool over the public's eyes.
PlasticPole  
19 Mar 2011 /  #52
some company's PR department.

Never trust a PR department.
smurf  
20 Mar 2011 /  #53
GasLand was a great hollywood movie that is being compared by some to Nazi propaganda as it is simply not true in almost every regard

links please, I severely doubt that Gasland has been compared with Nazi propaganda, put please enlighten me if you can.
I watch the movie quite a while ago for a review and I've not come across any flack surrounding it, are you tellin porkies?

And comparing it to Nazi propaganda on a Polish forum is a bit distasteful too, but as has been pointed out you're probably a PR worker trying to stir the brown stuff.
OP Adam1974  
20 Mar 2011 /  #54
inks please, I severely doubt that Gasland has been compared with Nazi propaganda, put please enlighten me if you can.

A 2-second google search would take less time than your defamation and would reveal the quote by PA's Chief Geologist--a man with more experience and knowledge than probably any other in this area. However, regarding his comment I personally believe it was made in poor taste:

politicspa.com/dcnr-official-compares-gasland%E2%80%99s-josh-fox-to-nazi-propagandeer-joseph-goebbels/22429

I will of course consider your severe apology to accompany your severe doubt! I'm no PR rep but someone who wants to things done right and see pride in the Polish people.

By the way this isn't happening in 2020 it is happening today. Pictures are obviously better understood by many of the uneducated in this crowd: nohotair.typepad.co.uk/no_hot_air/2010/12/polish-shale-gas-success.html
JonnyM  
20 Mar 2011 /  #55
regarding his comment I personally believe it was made in poor taste:

And not without a certain amount of financial self-interest, despite the huge environmental damage that fracking causes.
PlasticPole  
20 Mar 2011 /  #56
PA's Chief Geologist--a man with more experience and knowledge than probably any other in this area.

He's chief oil and gas geologist, so he's not exactly going to be unbiased, is he? The question I have for him and others like him is simple:Would he volunteer to live five years at Line Creek Valley, Wyoming, without any bottled water, that is...

wvgazette.com/News/201103050508
Cardno85  
20 Mar 2011 /  #57
After reading this after a hard night at work (and so maybe not getting the whole picture). It appears people are acting like they do with nuclear power...imagining the worst case scenario. I am not particularly knowledgable on shale gas, but so many sources of energy are looked at with a lot of scepticism. Nuclear power is now taking a heavy hit because of Japan...but it is the best source of power we have, even though it is dangerous.

Would you not rather have reliable power that is 95% safe than buying power which is unreliable at best??
PlasticPole  
20 Mar 2011 /  #58
I'm not saying don't frack. Just do it responsibly. Don't allow everything to be done on the cheap just to maximize profits.

Same goes with the nuclear reactors. I have no problem with state of the art, brand new reactors with all the latest technology gadgets and safety features. So long as they take the time and do it right, it's safe. So long as they go by safe design instead of $$$$$$ there won't be any problem. People will get their energy and still have a lovely place to call home. What is so bad about wanting that?
Cardno85  
20 Mar 2011 /  #59
I may have written things wrong, but basically what you are saying here is what I meant to say. In Fukoshima their mistake was building near a fault. Power is something that is essential, but it needs to be responsible.

On a side note...Libya...total European cock up...(new post perhaps...)
PlasticPole  
20 Mar 2011 /  #60
In Fukoshima their mistake was building near a fault. Power is something that is essential, but it needs to be responsible.

That, and the fact the plant is old and the design could be a bit better. We would be better off if all the old plants were replaced with state of the art facilities, but it's not practical. Places with new plants should do just fine.

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