Return PolishForums LIVE
  PolishForums Archive :
Archives - 2005-2009 / USA, Canada  % width 125

How to stay in USA without getting married?


karkuwka  
6 Dec 2007 /  #91
Just the opposite. It is a good thing to do. Because If the 20 year old marries the 60 year old who is the US citizen, and if he married her for just the "green card", then once they get divorced, he will inherit half of her assets.
That's what an imigration lawyer told me who works in such cases.

I'm a lawyer too, and this is not guarenteed. It depends on the state. In many states, what the parties possessed before the marriage may not automatically be transferred to marital assets. A prenup is always safer, though.

Bartosz, go to any Polish translation, immigration, or travel office on Jackowo in Chicago or a Polish neighbourhood in other city and they will find you the right person. I doubt 8K will be enough, but that way you will be safe because the agency will know the person and would suggest someone who is safe.

Please be careful if you decide to enter into one of these highly illegal and stupid transactions. Most of these people are con artists. I have two real-life examples for you straight from the lawyers mouth: One man contracted a bride who changed the $10,000 fee into a lot more by taking out credit in his name and strapping him with $25,000 in credit card debt all the while threatening divorce papers if he did not give her 50% of every paycheck. Blackmail is easy when one party has all the power. Bad example two involves a bridge for hire that never bothered to legally divorce from the last two. She just put that she was never married on the papers, which was found to be incorrect easily enough, and bam, marriage doesn't count because legally it never happened. Married people can't get married.

involves a bridge for hire that never bothered to legally divorce from the last two

Tee hee, bride. I should read my posts first, eh?
Acunga - | 1  
1 Feb 2008 /  #92
Hello everybody, I am a student and will go to work in USA OH in june 2008.I was wondering if the author of this good topic has found a wife and what's the procedure ofter the marriage to gain a us citizenship earlier
scott usa - | 63  
8 May 2008 /  #93
krysia sounds evil lol if marry her BETTER GET A PRENUPITAL LOL
marek s - | 269  
28 May 2008 /  #94
I wish the government pass some kind of immigration law and resolve the issue for many. I feel bad for a lot of people desparate to be here. Many, very good people, could start legally contributing to this country

there is a immigration law on the books as we speak. the problem is some people feel that it should not apply to them.
my family waited 7 years to come here from poland. they wanted to be legal.
Guest  
3 Jun 2008 /  #95
Hello,
Yes there are other options besides marriage to obtain legal papers in US. Our company currently is helping people to get legal papers thru PERM SYSTEM (work permit & social security number), green cards sponsored by immediate family memebers, student visas (F-1).

If you are still interesting of changing your status in US, please provide me with your either telephone number or e-mail so we can discuss this.

Sincerely,

Renata
hillarywiaha - | 1  
1 Oct 2008 /  #96
i'm not quite sure how long ago this discussion was posted or if anyone will reply but..i'm looking for some advice.

i met someone during summer this year from south africa, this may not apply to the polish forum (ha) but it seems to relate to the topic. He is wishing to stay in the united states and i want more than anything to be with him. he was in the process of applying for a political asylum but found that the process would be much more complicated than he had anticipated. He is now leaning towards marrying someone, the thing is i'm merely a student and i feel as if now isn't the right time, for me atleast. and so his plans are to find someone to marry, and then later be with me. which is one hell of a screwed up situation, i know. That, or he was interested in buying a green card if that is at all possible. Needless to say, I know close to nothing about any of this and I just want to be able to provide some sort of relief to him, and myself. I simply hope there is a simple way to go about this. His working visa expires in late November and the longer the wait, the more i feel as if the chances are growing slimmer.

I just am looking for some options, and details. If he buys a green card, what are the pros and cons? I've seen enough info about the marriage deal and that is absolutely his very last option. What is the best way to go about this?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
Basha 1 | 4  
12 Oct 2008 /  #97
My dream is to go and live in US. I just really don't know where to start. I can't just marry some strange American guy. I want to try on my own... Is it possible?
Guest  
17 Dec 2008 /  #98
RENATA THIS IS MY E-MAIL ADRESS MAR_TA@WP.PL . I HAVE SOME IMPORTANT QUESTIONS FOR YOU REGARDS LEGALL STAY IN US.. PLEASE HELP ME .. MY FIANCE IS THERE
Dziady - | 50  
17 Dec 2008 /  #99
My dream is to go and live in US. I just really don't know where to start. I can't just marry some strange American guy. I want to try on my own... Is it possible?

Yes, the easiest way to do so is to become employed by an American company and have them sponsor your permanent residency request. You may then apply for citizenship which will entail testing and an oath of loyalty. To that end, you really shouldn't apply for citizenship unless you actually want to no longer be Polish (or whatever nationality you may have) and become American.
Krakowianka 1 | 243  
18 Dec 2008 /  #100
the easiest way to do so is to become employed by an American company and have them sponsor your permanent residency request.

That is by far not the easiest way. How many employers do you think want to play with this mess? Very few! The process takes up to 5 years just to get a green card, depending of course how fast your employer plans to act. Employers take their sweeeeet time with this process, due to legal fees, and keeping you as an employee at cheaper rate longer. After you get a green card, they'll make you sign a contract for 5 years that you'll stay with the company (during which time they give you no pay raises, and if you leave, you have a hefty $sum to pay back).

You must be a permanent resident for minimum 5 years to apply for citizenship. So taking this route, you are looking at approx 10yrs.

If you are Indian, your chances of an employer following through with this are 1% at best. So many temp outsourcing companies in US/India working together, that they dont need to go through the process to have an Indian.

But by being illegal and overstaying their visit, they won't be able to come back to the US for 10 years.

Not entirely true. The amount of years for the ban depends on how long you have overstayed. Some short overstays are forgiven, some 3 yrs, some 5.

If the visa is expired, then when he does get married, the INS will come back to him saying his visa expired and they will say he could get deported unless he can prove that it would have a damaging effect on others, in this case the wife.

Very not true. Marrying a USC forgives ALL overstays. You will not be deported. You have to prove to USCIS that the marriage is true & genuine, and based on love, not the ability to gain legal residency. The part you mention "damaging effect on others" is really used for other cases, not marriage to USC.

He can stay in the US when papers are filed. And he should, because he might not be able to return to the US if he leaves. Even if his visa is good for 10 years, I've heard cases when people were turned back at the border for something.

You can, and should remain in the US until you are granted "advanced parole" document. This document gives you the right to re-enter the US during the time your AOS application is being evaluated. If you have previous illegal overstays, you CAN NOT LEAVE until you have a greencard in hand. Leaving earlier will destroy the whole process.

so his plans are to find someone to marry, and then later be with me. which is one hell of a screwed up situation, i know. That, or he was interested in buying a green card if that is at all possible.

Fraud if I ever heard of it. Do you think he's being even honest with you? Chances are, he's giving you this line to get you to feel bad, and marry him. He hasnt worked all this time on charming you for no green card. He'll get it, and take off... while you have the legal liability for him for the next 10yrs.
marino13 - | 3  
18 Dec 2008 /  #101
Bad advice finding someone to sponsor you is your problem...If you can find some "CHUMP" to be willing to lose everything than you may have a chance. Other than that goto New York City and hide.......
Lotnik767 3 | 145  
19 Dec 2008 /  #102
I know people that have been deported few times and with in month they came back. There are so many open doors to USA that is freaking unbelievable they should be tighter border polices
jakconnection 1 | 7  
29 Dec 2008 /  #103
I was wondering ... maybe some of you wants to share some memories from illegal life in U.S. If so please contact me anytime ...
polishgirltx  
29 Dec 2008 /  #104
hahaha...what?
HatefulBunch397 - | 658  
29 Dec 2008 /  #105
I know people that have been deported few times and with in month they came back. There are so many open doors to USA that is freaking unbelievable they should be tighter border polices

I don't think the borders should be tighter. In fact, I am all for open immigration everywhere.
Krakowianka 1 | 243  
29 Dec 2008 /  #106
I know people that have been deported few times and with in month they came back.

They must have been smuggled in through Mexico, or jump some high fences. Once you have been deported, you are banned.

What is the use of living in the US undocumented. You can no longer open a bank account, cant have a drivers license, cant register a car. So unless you like living in someone's moldy basement and driving the bus everywhere, and remaining poor, US is not your best bet.

This is the reason so many have left the US. With EU borders open, they can live legally in the UK, Ireland, etc, and be able to drive, bank & even visit family in PL whenever they please.
polishgirltx  
29 Dec 2008 /  #107
Once you have been deported, you are banned.

i think it's for 10 years....?

You can no longer open a bank account, cant have a drivers license, cant register a car.

yeah...it's hard to 'recover' after that...
loco polaco 3 | 353  
29 Dec 2008 /  #108
i think it's for 10 years....?

nope, for good.
polishgirltx  
29 Dec 2008 /  #109
A person who has been deported or removed, may be prohibited from reapplying for a visa depending on the circumstances for up to ten years.

usembassy.org.uk/cons_new/visa/niv/add_refused.html
loco polaco 3 | 353  
29 Dec 2008 /  #110
ok, you may reapply in 10 years but do you think you'll get a visa? lol.. fat chance. it also depends on the reasons for the original denial. if one was deported, they'll most likely never be ale to re-enter.
Lotnik767 3 | 145  
29 Dec 2008 /  #111
if one was deported, they'll most likely never be ale to re-enter.

US is one of the easiest countries to get in too, from South, North, West and East!
Krakowianka 1 | 243  
29 Dec 2008 /  #112
Is that how you got in?

ok, you may reapply in 10 years but do you think you'll get a visa? lol.. fat chance.

True indeed. The chances of a deportee being allowed back in are 0.0001% maybe not even that. They have to file waivers, and those sit at USCIS for years and years.

you break the rules, you pay the price.
Guest  
7 Mar 2009 /  #113
I HAVE SAME PROBLEM. I'M HERE IN USA AND MY VISA HAS EXPIRED SO I NEED TO MARRY AMERICAN GUY! better from Dallas i'm here now. If anyone can help me please write here chris2000@bk.ru
Arlene  
7 Mar 2009 /  #114
I really don't know how can people get married in USA because VISAs are late. All you have to go to Polish Council and take care of problems. Otherwise you may have to pay fines like rest of foreigners. They don't tell you. Even you get married, you still have to go back home anyway. Don't runaway or hide yourself from governments.
EmmaL7707  
8 Mar 2009 /  #115
Unfortunatley, you DON'T have many options. I'm American and my husband is from Poland. I met him 5 years ago when I went to teach English in Poland. We lived together in Poland for some time and then moved to America. He wanted to finish his degree here. We got married after a year and despite all the evidence we had that our marriage was genuine rather than a marriage of convenience, the USCIS gave us a very hard time. I really don't think that you have ANY options at all. You're better off going to England

There are states in the US that allow same-sex marriages, however you cannot get legal status through this. The USCIS is a national department rather than state-wide. It only recognizes marriages between men and women.

Lets stop misinforming people!!!
Arlene  
14 Mar 2009 /  #116
I have best solutions for you all. If you make plans to visit others countries and America.

First things is DON'T THINK ABOUT GETTING MARRIED.

We all know your reasons why you getting married because you are in troubles with laws and using us to marry you to get out of trouble. Which mean your wives or husbands have to pay pentlties. Take care yourself and don't botter us. Take responsbiles before you leave home.

Don't give us excuses because you can't read English or some languages?
EmmaL7707  
17 Mar 2009 /  #117
It is NOT possible to apply for an extension once the visa has expired!!!
This person has screwed himself over by doing what he did!!!
Randal 1 | 577  
17 Mar 2009 /  #118
What we need to do is get Poland to take our illegal Mexicans and then in exchange we’ll open our boarders to Polish peeps! Deal? :D
miranda  
17 Mar 2009 /  #119
First things is DON'T THINK ABOUT GETTING MARRIED.

just in case you forgot: getting married is a natural thing for many people and not everybody is getting married to get the visa as you suggest but to legalize the union.

Don't give us excuses because you can't read English or some languages?

that applies to you too, because your English is pretty bad:)
sledz 23 | 2,250  
17 Mar 2009 /  #120
What we need to do is get Poland to take our illegal Mexicans and then in exchange we’ll open our boarders to Polish peeps! Deal? :D

I like that Idea.... You have my vote

Archives - 2005-2009 / USA, Canada / How to stay in USA without getting married?Archived