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How to stay in USA without getting married?


krysia 23 | 3,057  
15 Dec 2006 /  #31
And LOVE is the most important thing in the world! So if that's what it takes to get citizenship, then let them. I do help people out with this, because Polish people are not criminals, they are clean, hard-working, intelligent. Too bad they have to go through such illegal measures to stay here.

I would have a problem with people from Iraq though.( Not racist here)
Jim  
15 Dec 2006 /  #32
Does anyone know of a Pole that was deported. Some people kid around that Mexicans get deported to get the free ride back home. Then come back when they want to.
krysia 23 | 3,057  
15 Dec 2006 /  #33
I wonder if the people from the INS who check such marriages actually are able to find out if they couple signed a pre-nuptial agreement

They do.
hello 22 | 891  
15 Dec 2006 /  #34
OK, so that's not a smart thing to do (especially if the couple doesn't fit - a 20-year old man with 60 year old woman, I know it happens ;).
krysia 23 | 3,057  
15 Dec 2006 /  #35
Just the opposite. It is a good thing to do. Because If the 20 year old marries the 60 year old who is the US citizen, and if he married her for just the "green card", then once they get divorced, he will inherit half of her assets.

That's what an imigration lawyer told me who works in such cases.
OP bartosz  
15 Dec 2006 /  #36
Well, I am willing to pay $9000, but I will do so only if i dont find any other way.

I have a girlfrind and she will not like that 2 much. I was looking for a wife a little bit and I have to say that it is not easy to find one like it seems. She would have to do few things that would proof that we are a couple, like the same adress on our IDs. Bank account, car insurance, with both names on it.
krysia 23 | 3,057  
15 Dec 2006 /  #37
I have a sister who's single.... What state you in?,
OP bartosz  
15 Dec 2006 /  #38
FL, would she like that? We would have to be marrid for at least a year and her age should be close to my age. We would have to know each other pretty good, too.

I was trying to find out any way not to do that but well.....
bolo 2 | 304  
15 Dec 2006 /  #39
I have a sister who's single....

Is she as cute as you are?

She would have to do few things that would proof that we are a couple.

That'd be the best part of the deal, I gues.. :)
shewolf  
15 Dec 2006 /  #40
bolo sure knows how to say all the right things. :)
bolo 2 | 304  
15 Dec 2006 /  #41
I think the "going rate" is a little more than 9K (more like 10-15K). But if the girl is nice enough and agrees to fully fulfill her wife's duties, I would definitely go for 9K or less ;).
Ranj 21 | 948  
15 Dec 2006 /  #42
once they get divorced, he will inherit half of her assets.

Actually that depends on the state where the divorce occurs. Each state has there own laws concerning divorce and I can guarantee you that assets are not necessarily split 50/50.
krysia 23 | 3,057  
15 Dec 2006 /  #43
You are right. Not all states have the same law. I'm talking about Wisconsin.

Is she as cute as you are?

Everybody's cuter than I am. I look like a chicken. I'm VERY ugly.
bolo 2 | 304  
15 Dec 2006 /  #44
Everybody's cuter than I am. I look like a chicken. I'm VERY ugly.

If you say chicken-look makes you ugly, I guess I'm a chicken model. But as they say in Polish, all lady-chickens look the same at night, so being ugly at night shouldn't be a problem for newly weds.
shewolf  
15 Dec 2006 /  #45
Everybody's cuter than I am. I look like a chicken. I'm VERY ugly.

Don't be silly, Krysia. You're beautiful. You look great in all of your pictures.

But as they say in Polish, all lady-chickens look the same at night, so being ugly at night shouldn't be a problem for newly weds.

Unless they like to leave the lights on.
bolo 2 | 304  
15 Dec 2006 /  #46
Yep. But seriously, I know a couple of people who "did that" and they didn't have any serious problems. The most stressful part is the interview, but as long as they keep up-to-date pictures and really know many things about each other, they should be fine. One of the couples I know is still married after a year from the time the guy received the papers.. If it's the only way and the person is determined enough to be on schedule and keep/learn the relevant information, they should be just fine.

If this is moral or not, that's another story. The American teenagers have been "getting" fake IDs to go to adult clubs for ages and the government has not imposed any severe penalties for doing that.
shewolf  
15 Dec 2006 /  #47
It's like the movie Green Card. An American woman pretends to be the girlfriend of a man who wants to stay in the U.S. and they end up falling in love.

They got married in the movie and then had to learn everything about each other to pass the tests.
bolo 2 | 304  
15 Dec 2006 /  #48
Yes, that too. But I tend to think that such "visa marriages" are mostly done by Polish-Americans.
krysia 23 | 3,057  
15 Dec 2006 /  #49
I know that movie very well, but it had a sad ending. The INS figured out it was fake, and back to France he went. He was nice. Ugly, but nice. But then again, who am I to criticize ugly people. I'm very ugly too, so who cares what a person looks like.

As long as they lay good eggs.
Ranj 21 | 948  
16 Dec 2006 /  #50
I'm very ugly too, so who cares what a person looks like.

You are beautiful on the inside and outside, Krysia----don't shortchange yourself!:)
krysia 23 | 3,057  
16 Dec 2006 /  #51
Thabnk you Ranj. Must be this Polish humbleness.
shewolf  
16 Dec 2006 /  #52
What happens if two people get married this way, as a business marriage, and the government finds out? Do they get in trouble?

Also, suppose the man lives in Poland and the woman in America. How does it work for him to come to the US? Does she have to go to Poland, marry him and then they apply for permission?
krysia 23 | 3,057  
16 Dec 2006 /  #53
Once it is proven, that it was not a bona fide marriage, he will get deported back to Poland. No ifs, buts or whats about it.

NO! NO! NO! she should not go to Poland to marry him!!!
1.) if she is not a Polish citizen, she would have to wait over a month to be accepted by the Polish Court to agree for a foreigner to get married.

2.) If she is a Polish citizen, you would still have to wait a month for a wedding date.
3.) If she marries a Polish Citizen in Poland, she has to file papers in the US for a Spouse Visa. This is a long process, because it is an immigration visa. This takes very long, over 9 months, because with this type on visa, he gets the green card and all the formalities are taken care of.

4.) The best way is to apply for a Fiance Visa. You have to do this in the US. Not in Poland. This process takes about 6 months, after which he will come to the US and you have 90 days to get married. If you do not marry in 90 days, he gets deported back to Poland. This is the best legal way to get a fiance over.

5.) If he does get a tourist visa and you marry him in the US, you will be together quicker, but then you have to file different papers, and the US goverment frowns on such cases.
Eurola 4 | 1,906  
16 Dec 2006 /  #54
K you know a lot about it. Good info for many.

I would not want to go through all of this. I was so lucky getting my papers thanks to President Regan. He will always be my favorite President.

They say The US has about 11 Mil undocumented immigrants. I wish the government came up with another Amnesty and then seal the borders to prevent all the crossings, if that's what they want to do.

No other country in the world has such leaky borders.
shewolf  
16 Dec 2006 /  #55
If he's already in the US as a tourist, can he marry an American woman legally? And will he still have to go back to Poland if he does get married or can he stay in the US while the papers are being filed with the government? How long does it take for the government to decide if he can stay or not? Months, years?
krysia 23 | 3,057  
16 Dec 2006 /  #56
If he's in the US on a tourist visa and if it didn't expire yet, then he should get married ASAP before it does, because that way he will get an extension to stay and apply for an imigrant visa as a spouse and it will all be legal.

If the visa is expired, then when he does get married, the INS will come back to him saying his visa expired and they will say he could get deported unless he can prove that it would have a damaging effect on others, in this case the wife.

He can stay in the US when papers are filed. And he should, because he might not be able to return to the US if he leaves. Even if his visa is good for 10 years, I've heard cases when people were turned back at the border for something.

So once he's legally married, and has his green card - which he would normally get after about a year of marriage - then he is legally aproved by the goverment. And after 3 years of marriage, he can apply to become a citizen.
shewolf  
16 Dec 2006 /  #57
Thanks for all the information. I'm a writer in my spare time and this sounds like it would make a very funny story.
miranda  
16 Dec 2006 /  #58
As long as they lay good eggs.

gee Krysia, you are full of talents:) You must be popular at Easter:)
Eurola 4 | 1,906  
16 Dec 2006 /  #59
Hmmm...

I'm a writer in my spare time and this sounds like it would make a very funny story.

Can the above information and human dramas be funny? I guess, they can... but are they?
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
16 Dec 2006 /  #60
If done in a humorous manner. Dramedy :)

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